Here's another pretty chart for everyone. It's clear that Shai and Luka are in another category (they are Top 5 players, true Superstar category), but the difference between them and Fox is a lot smaller than the difference between say, Fox and Collin Sexton.
Also, mind the shape of these curves. All fairly identical. Lads, Fox is a Top 25 player. Folks who can't at least acknowledge that just don't know ball.
There are only 30 teams in the league. Having two Top 25 players puts you far ahead of most teams. When one of them happens to be a Top 5 player? Now you've really got something to build on.
Ive seen plenty of “do whatever it takes” takes….
Ive also said Devin + Kings Swap + worst of ATL/SA 25 + worst of ATL/SA 27 is fine. So not sure why all the hate and anger then towards me. Also, fair isnt the point here given leverage. Fox demanding out and telling teams SA or bust as of now.
It's very simple: We get Fox without giving up Castle or our '25FRPs
Draft Flagg this summer. Trade for Markkanen.
Fox / Castle / Flagg / Markkanen / Wemby
This one I think I can see both ways.
I think the Kings actually get more leverage by waiting until the offseason. Fox isn't going to want to give up the 5th year and $77MM by waiting until Free Agency, and the Kings know this. Right now Fox is trying to get to San Antonio, but I think he'll be open to more options this offseason, and that's when the Kings might be able to regain some leverage.
But, there is definitely a risk that Fox gets injured, or the pieces the Kings want come off the board at the deadline, or the Fox just sticks with his guns.
Hoping the FO is running down hill towards this if Fox really does want to be a Spur. Maybe ask for Kings 2 way contract Isaac Jones for gravy. Wouldn’t expect too much from Jones, but maybe he’ll turn out better than Bassey.
would be more hilarious if the teams actually agreed to that but beal nixes it with his NTCOne of their other trades is Fox+Huerter for Beal
This is the Kawhi situation without the Uncle. Everyone knew he was Clippers bound.
Another team may trade for Fox hoping to change his mind - but he is ultimately going to make his way to the Spurs. It’s a basketball decision. On/Off the court.
Would be great if ATL was ready to blow it up. We offer to give them their 25 & 27 picks back so they can tank. Trae goes to SAC which is enough compensation for Fox straight up mostly. SA gets Fox. And we just give ATL their 2 picks back (ATL has to pay a premium to get their picks back which is giving up Trae for those picks). Something like that with maybe excess seconds and matching salaries from SA out as well but non-core guys (NO Vassell, Castle, Sochan etc..)
fox did the spurs a huge favor and just lowered the price spurs need to take advantage
Number Two did set the precedent here. Everyone knew his preferred destination and he walked away from the Raptors the moment he was able to. Teams are probably wary of giving up too much for a high-end rental.
Can’t tell if this is serious or not. But that would be nice.
It's hard not to read a lot into him actually being somewhat open about having a desired place other than SAC.
shuffle some picks around
This thread's gonna be at 100 pages before the Trade Deadline
Same with Dallas and Porzingis. They traded a promising young rookie (Smith Jr, who put up better rookie numbers than Castle) to land a known talent. He wasn't working well next to Luka, so they flipped him for some solid role players and made the WCF. Then they landed Kyrie Irving.
Big swing trades don't have to be lifetime commitments.
I got this through the trade machine. Spurs would have to include some picks. Kings get a win now player, Sac probably only team dumb enough to try Trae/Demar combo.
Kings - Trae Young
Hawks - Devin Vassell, Zach Collins, Kevin Huerter (return of the king)
Spurs - Fox, Capela (expiring)
Spurs get significantly worse here according to Hollingershuffle some picks around
Honestly tho, would hate to lose Castle in this deal but I'm sure he personally wouldn't mind going back home to ATL where he grew up tbh.
another hypothetical where the spurs give up neither Castle nor Vassell and only give up 3 picks
Worth mentioning that Kings insider James Ham just mentioned on SAC local radio that Fox has made it clear he would not sign an extension in Houston and doesn't want to go there.
I doubt HOU would seriously entertain a Fox trade right now anyway but that's one of the only teams who could seriously rival an SAS trade package likely off the board.
Tongue in cheek. It won't happen but, like winning the lottery, it's nice to think about
If I was a Kings fan, I'd straight up stop following basketball if this happens.
Imagine having Beal and Demar under contract for 2 more years.
Spurs get significantly worse here according to Hollinger
Honestly tho, would hate to lose Castle in this deal but I'm sure he personally wouldn't mind going back home to ATL where he grew up tbh.
Not very readable, it's Jokic + SGA + Giannis to the Wizards for salary filler where the Wizards somehow get 6 wins worse, DEN and OC are the same, MIL gets 6 wins better. Something is very broken in the calculation.
yeah... the win/loss thing is definitely broken
That would give the Spurs two chances at getting into the top 4 where they can add a future all star level player.
I’m excited to get Fox if ever, but not as excited if it were a Markkanen or a JJJ, especially if we lose Harrison Barnes. There’s a gaping hole at 4.
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