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for picks, for picks, and for picks. He's never landed an impact player
also lol throwing the Thad trade in there, which basically ended up with Branham
for picks, for picks, and for picks. He's never landed an impact player
also lol throwing the Thad trade in there, which basically ended up with Branham
Spurs have no problem walking away from a trade. Really they prefer to walk away and play it conservatively with no trade.
Problem is after those picks haven't advanced into the top 4 you're going to need to trade more of them. If you project the Hawks to finish 8th worst in the league after losing Jalen Johnson a lot of the value of that pick in trading for Fox is the 26% chance it jumps into the top 4.
While these trades netted some seemingly good assets...none of them were good. Wright didn't have to do anything in these deals other than be willing to be bad, and be lucky. He just happened to have the player that the Hawks wanted and could fleece them much the same way Presti had the player the clippers wanted and fleeced them. That has nothing to do with skill. All his other moves only required that he be willing to get rid of a player and replace them with nothing, because the spurs didn't care about winning games. And half of what he got were picks that current GM's don't care about. None of those GM's care about giving Wright a pick 5 years from now cause with the exception of maybe Brad they won't be their 5 years from now.
Even this thing that is seemingly difficult, trading for Fox, isn't...because it's been put out there that he legit want's to be here. Wright has all the leverage. The player wants to be in San Antonio. The player does not want to be on his original team and has repeatedly told them he won't resign. The agent has publicly requested the player be traded. We have tons of picks and young players if the Kings want them. If they don't, we have the picks to just go get whatever veteran players the Kings want. We will have plenty of money to give Fox a max with plenty left over. We are the boogey man hiding under every other teams bed. Some teams are just straight up not going to offer anything because what's the point it's heavily implied he wants to be in San Antonio, want's to play with Victor, and they have the money and draft capital to make it happen.
It would actually be pretty preposterous for Wright to this up tbh.
Would hate losing Unc, would cheer losing Bran Ham.vecenie seems convinced that Fox is a perfect fit with Wemby. however, he raises the same concerns some have brought up here about how his game will age over the course of 5+ years. ultimately says he'd make the move if he were the spurs, no doubt. co-host raises the point of if the spurs wait, who are they waiting for? unless the spurs think they are getting a legit mvp candidate type player such is shai, the gap between fox and another hypothetical player is pretty miniscule
his idea of the trade:
Wright better make this happen in a way that doesn't totally us. We have all the leverage. We have Wemby. Dude wants to be here.
Get it done, dude.
We can't really afford to lose Barnes if we're to get Fox now and not in the summer.
I'd say that even if we get Fox and want to compete for play-in this season we need to upgrade Keldon into an actually useful wing.
Losing Barnes for Fontecchio makes no sense whatsoever, like why are all these podcasters and media people so adamant to include 3rd team in any trade?
Kings don't even receive anything from the Pistons in that one.
think the idea is the kings dont want to take on payroll for next year. and barnes being an expiring over the summer would be more palatable than, say, keldon
we dont have any current expirings to give sacto other than tre jones and some minimum players
I get the idea, but it doesn't make sense for the Kings.
They need help if they're to compete. That's why we're including Devin and not Keldon or Collins.
And they'd have about $30M cap space in this scenario with only 8 players on the roster. Good luck filling the rotation out with useful players.
it would create a huge trade exception for the Kings, that's why. Agree though, makes little sense to ship Barnes to Detroit in that deal when you can get it done without that part.
I don't know if it's been mentioned and it'll be buried in short order, but I don't think this is all that complicated: Castle will be the likely sticking point.
I fully expect the overly conservative Spurs to balk and hope this drags into the off season and they can eventually wear them down.
Vassell seems to have become the whipping boy around here, but his shooting/spacing would be even more important with Fox.
The back and forth worth of 10+ pages was fun to read.There are the usual suspects of course of not wanting to trade a substantial amount of assets for a top 20-30 to the point that they would even argue that Fox is not a top 30 player, I bet. Just want to add more thoughts on top of scott 's list earlier in the thread.
1. I want to start by talking about MVP level players say about top 1-8 players in the world here to appease the "he's not good enough" crowd. No MVP level superstar is going to come out and just ask for a trade. The last superstar to do that was Kawhi. Before that, who? I seriously can't remember one, except maybe for Kobe pre-Pau. Additionally, numerous people here have already, ad nauseam, discussed why the likes of Luka and Ant will not be available realistically. And even then, a lot of our warchest of picks would have already materialized by then.
2. Going off the first premise, now you go for the potential #2 guys on a contender. A lot of people didnt want Trae last summer with concerns about his health and defense. I didn't and still don't agree with this but ok. People didn't want Lauri because of concerns with health and doubt towards his would be actual production in a team that wants to more than bottom feeder. Ok, not fair but OK. And now, we are presented with a legit NBA All-Star that's game was forced to be a #1 option or a 1a-1b with Sabonis in this modern NBA, a player who has produced the stats to be a top20-30 player while passing the eye tests, and yet ST still aren't sold on that? That's just preposterous. Some of you will never be satisfied with the potential and idea of a non-spur (outside of Jokic and Giannis, and even then you ers will still find something to about) while still being head over heels over the likes of Vassell (who is good but not great), Keldon, and busts like Wesley, Branham, etc.
3. The Castle-potential and/or Flagg lottery ticket vs the surefire Fox level player. I love Castle as much as the next guy, I feel like he's smarter than Wemby was last year tbh. But if he's the hold-up in all this, then bye bye Steph for me. I'm, and I assume most of logical people here, would rather let go of the Flagg ticket/s than Steph. The latter I believe is also the more realistic scenario, given reports of Kings still wanting to "contend". In that case, the obvious centerpiece for the trade is Devin. You do as much as you can to keep Steph of course, spacing and "fit-wise" can be solved later when we see how they actually mesh. We can't really afford to prioritize "fit" and should just keep the best talent available as a young team who has yet to sniff the playoffs.
I'd give it to everyone here though, ST is becoming fun again.
Right now it's because Fox is saying he won't sign with anyone but San Antonio. Come summertime, I think that changes. It's a 31-party game of chicken right now (Fox plus 30 teams).
Yeah, good point. Vic is going to be a really great teammate and citizen right up to the point his management demands a trade.
I have no problems parting with Vassel and Johnson in getting Fox. Barnes, Sochan and Castle def no
The latest Simmons podcast is his annual Trade Value Rankings. He has Vassell in the 60s and Castle in the low 50s. I haven't listened to the rest yet (turned it off to tune into the Spurs game), but I agree that Castle is a more valuable chip that Vassell and we should be valuing them that way as well.
FWIW, he had Sochan as a guy who just missed the cut in his Top 85.
well... if the spurs are taking on fox's contract, they need to send out matching salary. we dont have 30+ mil worth of expiring deals. if the premise is the sacto doesnt want to take anything on, then you have to route the money to a team with cap space. like detroit. whether its barnes or keldon or zollins... spurs need to send out matching salary
you are one stupid mf
You're a re who can't comprehend basic math.
more like Keldon Collins and two low seconds
As long as SPURS keep all 2025 FRP and Castle, then all other package is ok. King can get DV or Bull, Hornet, Wolve FRP.
its not about math you imbecile its about asset value and what Fox is worth. Spurs can get Fox for free in one year.
ing re do you really think Fox is going to wait a full year and a half, refuse to go anywhere else and then leave 50 million on the table just so he can join the Spurs?
Look at how Mitc and Lillard situations played out.
no not wolve frp. And no DV. Wemby, Castle, or Sochan. Keldon and any other garbage on team is ok to part with. We have 4 assets on the team. rest are fillers. charlotte pick will be second next year. Bulls also.
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