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If that's the case I'm not giving Castle nor the ATL 2025. My best offer is Vassell, 2025 Spurs, 2026 Spurs w/ ATL swap, 2027 ATL, and rip up the 2031 Sac swap. Or they can have the 2025 CHI instead of the 2026 Spurs w/ ATL swap if wanted.
At that point they were not a heated rival. The spurs hadn't played a meaningful playoff series against LA since 2008 (2013 was an ass beating). They also ended up trading him for scraps to Toronto in the end anyway. I think if things hadn't been so public the Spurs may have been able to work a deal with LAL or LAC. Him making everything a huge deal in the media only made things worse and probably fueled LAL thinking they had us by the balls
If that's the case I'm not giving Castle nor the ATL 2025. My best offer is Vassell, 2025 Spurs, 2026 Spurs w/ ATL swap, 2027 ATL, and rip up the 2031 Sac swap. Or they can have the 2025 CHI instead of the 2026 Spurs w/ ATL swap if wanted.
LAL wasn't even offering Ingram IIRC. Offer was something like Julian, Hart, and Deng.
Yep if that report is true the price just went down. Less picks, more players.
Send them Tre, Vassell, Collins, 2031 swap back, plus another FRP of ours, take Huerter and Fox.
This feels like the LMA offseason leadup all over again. Cue the "IT'S HAPPENING!!!!" gif or is it too soon?
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I mean who knows what the actual truth was. But I'm just saying if the whole thing hadn't been so public and Kawhi and his team didn't throw a crybaby fit, Spurs might have been able to quietly work out a deal with LAL or LAC. the other compounding issue was he missed basically an entire season and no one knew wtf was going on with his injury which also severely hampered his trade value
If it doesn’t happen now, it’s gonna be a uncomfortable for Sacramento the rest of the year.
He might have a podcast but he's the lead ESPN radio reporter on Kings coverage in Sacramento.
As others have mentioned, he's the one who broke that Fox wants out before anyone else. He's connected.
spurs didnt for kawhi. portland didnt for dame. the heat wont do so for butler (mostly because sons cant really get it done).
it did happen for AD to the lakers.
teams usually "do right by" a player in these cir stances in sign and trade situations (though the clippers werent cooperating with getting PG13 to GSW)
I know. I'm just wishcasting
I wonder if we can use threats of trading for Fox to get Coby White from the Bulls in a better deal. Bull rather have their pick back then for us to send it to Sacromento. Maybe work a trade to get White to Sac and Fox to SA.
Anyone acquired before Victors arrival should be shown the door. There is no “core”. The building of this Spurs team starts with drafting Victor and everything that happens post that draft.
Castle should be safe - plus you want to see him play along side Fox. I wouldn’t be upset if he’s moved though.
Sorry if someone else already responded first, I'm a few pages back and just catching up.
Just wanted to point out that Barnes cannot legally go back to SAC in any trade this season.
Edit: I see now that this was brought up, several times. Haha, sorry.
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Fox isn't a notorious lob passer the way CP3 used to be or Trae Young now is. to be fair, he doesnt really have a lob target in sacto
A couple of thoughts, for what they are worth (which I remind everyone, is nothing):
1. Interesting to me that now Demar is saying that if Fox is traded that will raise a lot of questions about his future in SAC. DDR said Fox is a huge reason he went to SAC, so if he was gone it would raise questions. SAC may actually view this as an opportunity. Trading Fox will also allow them to move Demar and get off of that mistake and build a more coherent roster. I won't put a lot of effort into options for them, but just off the top of my head Cam Johnson as their starting 3 instead of Demar unlocks a lot for them. A starting unit of Monk/Ellis/Cam/Murray/Sabonis with Vassell as the 6th man works a of a lot better than what they have now.
2. SAC is a team like SAS that has extra incentive to "do right" by their guys. It isn't all because the FOs are full of soft es, but because as a small market team in a less attractive city, you need that reputation of being player friendly. Not just so you can land big FAs, but so you can land small ones too, and to keep the guys you already have happy and confident to be there in the event they one day need to move on. This certainly works in our favor as SAC may not want to burn Fox and Rich Paul by shipping him off to WAS or some . Klutch wants their client out of SAC and to SAS now, and if SAC can help make that happen, I'm sure Klutch will remember that and show appreciation in some way down the line. The NBA isn't different from other businesses, relationships are very important.
If we get Fox, all we need is a starting small forward and power forward and a three-point shooting backup for SG.
I think they should do the trade soon if possible while the kings are still winning and think that they don't need him. That could change.
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No, I still don't think the Spurs would have dealt with them. Doesn't matter that they didn't have any heated recent playoffs games. IMO, the only way the Spurs would have done a trade with them is if the offer was lopsided in the Spurs' favor, but that was never going to happen. Even if the offer was fair/even, the Spurs probably still say no to them. Pop was pissed with the Pau Gasol trade. I am certain he did not want to deal with the Lakers or help them in any way at all. To top it off, LA showed real arrogance thinking they can get him from free. At the time, I was actually somewhat happy that he screwed them over and went to the Clippers.
Also, not that my opinion matters at all, but I don't want Stephon in any of these trades at all. Unlike other formers Spurs players that I liked but didn't fully believe in, I believe in Stephon becoming a great player. It might take a bit of time, but I think he can/will get there.
Magic Johnson was the GM at the time and made comments in the media that the Spurs were not negotiating in any good faith. Magic was sort of a moron as a general manager and I think we could have got a good deal so I don't totally buy the idea that they were offering us total scraps, granted the headliner would have been Brandon Ingram but still.
If Vassell is traded, we get a far more reliable scorer, but the question becomes how do we replace that 2nd level scoring that he would have provided? we will need additional scoring to replace him and will also still desperately need a big.
There is actually a good lesson here about Fox. A lot of folks here are saying "just wait until we can sign him as a FA". Setting aside the fact that it is very unlikely he becomes a FA, even if he did it would be foolish to just assume that it's a lock to get him. It was viewed as a foregone conclusion that Nephew would sign with the Lakers, but then he went to the Clips. Just because Fox wants to come to SA now doesn't mean he won't change his mind.
Fox for Vassell is an upgrade, but we'll still be facing the same roster construction that doesn't rebound, shoot or defend. It's a step in the right direction but not a huge one, IMHO. At least if we hold onto Vassell, he becomes that clear 3rd option and we can actually score with the best of them. Still would need a stretch 4/5 type to seal up the SL.
Yep, I agree 100%. If the Spurs want to get him, I wouldn't bank on waiting for him as he could get traded to another team and like it enough to stay there.
Even though Kawhi wanted to go to LA, I think he probably had very, very serious thoughts about staying with the Raptors. At the time, I thought it he should have stayed with the Raptors as they had a great thing going, but unfortunately he wanted to go back home. Lakers completely ed up and overplayed their hand. Two years of waiting for nothing. Spurs need to think about that if they're serious about adding Fox to the team.
I dont think that’s completely accurate. A few of us were hearing it was Clippers all along so it was not “Lakers” per se but “LA area”…but still. Your point remains. But at some point the risk of waiting becomes more than worth it if it means keeping all your assets and getting Fox too vs overpaying.
Luckily I dont really see SA overpaying here….things seem to be shaping up where leverage is being exerted and I dont think Kings are going to get some haul from SA or anyone as long as Rich Paul and Fox are holding firm that its SA or bust
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