Clippers had 17 offensive rebounds
Spurs 23 defensive rebounds
Weak weak weak
I don't know enough about WAS's FO incompetence tbh but that is the key criteria to get rid of him.
If I'm the Wiz I don't have any interest in Sochan unless it's just salary dumping with the idea of not extending him this summer.
I have genuinely never seen such a limited player having so much playing time in NBA in 30 years I've watched... It's mind-boggling
sochan ultimately has to be relegated to the bench but we have to get a legit big on this roster. that player does not currently wear a Spurs uniform.
What's fascinating to me is how this stat exists but we are still 3rd in the league in ADJ REB CHANCE%, and 6th in the league in REB CHANCE%.
What this tells me is that when we do get in position for a rebound, we are one of the best at getting it - but we get boxed out of a lot of rebound chances (since if you are boxed out, it doesn't count as a rebound chance. For those unaquainted, a Rebound Chance is any time a player is the closest player to the ball at the time it crosses below the rim after a shot. Adjusted rebound chances add in Deferred Rebound Chances, where you have a REB CHANCE but let your teammate get the ball).
Spurs are last in the NBA in box seat occupants.
That stat, if true, surprises me not at all.
They also don’t take charges much either. I wouldn’t be surprised if the spurs are bottom 10 in all of the “hustle” stats
oh don’t back track on me now. You 100% did say that. I don’t need to twist anything. I said that DV doesn’t know how to play winning basketball and has low bb iq. You went post after post saying how DV does know how to play basketball. How his iq was high. How dumb I am for even suggesting that somebody doesn’t know how to play winning basketball when their whole job is basketball. And then you come in 2 months later saying the same like it’s some big revelation to you.
Our young guys don’t even know how to set good picks. They don’t know how to move effectively without the basketball. They all just stand around the 3 point line like idiots without the ball. They watch the ball on defense and are constantly out of position and help when they don’t need to help and don’t help when they should help. The worst part about this team isn’t that we are lacking talent, it’s just how stupid this team is. Like they mess up on basic .
And now you want to bring up coaching? This was easy to see years ago and I posted 6 years ago that we are a bottom run organization. And everyone said how dramatic and macabre I was being. I’ve been saying we are the new Kings and tried to explain how we could go a decade without making the playoffs. Well it’s 6 years now. And I can easily see it going another 2 years without playoffs.
Everyone thinks we are one trade or one draft away from contending for the next decade. But We have bad ownership. Bad head coaching. We don’t have any good assistant coaches. We have a bad drafting GM. Our player development is too. When the top of the organization is bad, the entire team tends to be bad as well. The franchise as a whole needs a change. But it won’t happen bc again we are a bottom 5 run organization.
Shocking how good the Spurs were when they had nine veterans in the rotation who could pass, screen, move without the ball and shoot.
"Greatest coach of all time"
tough but fair, tbh
Amazingly and despite mostly drafting defense first and having the best defensive anchor in the league, they're 18th and haven't ranked above average in 7 years.
The drafting/developing here has been a colossal failure. Excluding Wembanyama (obviously a no brainer, so he doesn't count), not one young or youngish player has shown marked improvement. Some have actually regressed.
Aren't box-outs the remnants of basketball from before the Warriors era and the three-point shot? The leading teams in this ranking are not necessarily the best defenses and the best teams.
This statistic is mainly correlated to whether you have big men or not, no?
But perhaps a new era has opened and after the Warriors era, there was a reaction with bigs capable of passing and shooting three-pointers.
If everyone shoots three-pointers, rebounds take longer and boxing out can be totally counterproductive. For long rebounds, you need length, dynamism and presence. Boxing out especially helps you win 50/50 baskets close to the basket.
You have to be wary of these kinds of stats.
well then you are a year later to the party than me, cause I said that this franchise has been trash since 2017 and made a longass thread about it that I have to bump multiple times per year
I been one of PATFO's biggest critics here and want everybody fired. From FO to assistant coaches. This organization needs a huge overhaul. You seem to mistake me for a sniffer, just cause I give Devin a longer leash cause he came off surgery. I was here during the Bryn Forbes era when sniffers were saying Trey Lyles is a good PF and I made a list of all the starting PFs in the NBA and pointed out that he's by far the worst PF in the league. We are the only franchise in the NBA that couldn't win 5 games in a row since the 2020s, so we're effectively worse than the Kings, Pistons, etc. I don't disagree with you on that at all.
No. When you watch an opposing player take a tough contested layup and your man slices in for a putback layup it's bad enough. When that guy misses the putback and one of his teammates dunks it, that's 2025 Spurs basketball. No three pointers were threatened.
You're right about the 3pt shooting effect but it's not the case for our Spurs at all.
The eye test only is enough to see how badly we rebound, there's no real collective effort/preparation as many teams have.
Yesterday I saw multiple time Nephew not giving a care of the rebound but just coning in the paint to put Wemby off balance so Zubac could grab it more easily.
Nobody does that in our team
I'll vouch for you. You definitely ain't a sniffer, you're just a Devin Apologist. But I feel like you are coming aroundwell then you are a year later to the party than me, cause I said that this franchise has been trash since 2017 and made a longass thread about it that I have to bump multiple times per year
I been one of PATFO's biggest critics here and want everybody fired. From FO to assistant coaches. This organization needs a huge overhaul. You seem to mistake me for a sniffer, just cause I give Devin a longer leash cause he came off surgery. I was here during the Bryn Forbes era when sniffers were saying Trey Lyles is a good PF and I made a list of all the starting PFs in the NBA and pointed out that he's by far the worst PF in the league. We are the only franchise in the NBA that couldn't win 5 games in a row since the 2020s, so we're effectively worse than the Kings, Pistons, etc. I don't disagree with you on that at all.
PS, I like both you and KobesAchilles
Bryn was tough to watch tbh. Made me question my entire fandom. The problem is that there’s no real quick fix. I would like there to be one. But this team is just full of players who don’t fit together at all. We are a solid piece away from being a solid piece away. Like as bad as the Robinson era was (management wise) we had Elliot paired with him. And we had mings to let Robinson not have to take the whole weight of the franchise on his shoulders. People forget that part. And Larry Brown was a of a coach.well then you are a year later to the party than me, cause I said that this franchise has been trash since 2017 and made a longass thread about it that I have to bump multiple times per year
I been one of PATFO's biggest critics here and want everybody fired. From FO to assistant coaches. This organization needs a huge overhaul. You seem to mistake me for a sniffer, just cause I give Devin a longer leash cause he came off surgery. I was here during the Bryn Forbes era when sniffers were saying Trey Lyles is a good PF and I made a list of all the starting PFs in the NBA and pointed out that he's by far the worst PF in the league. We are the only franchise in the NBA that couldn't win 5 games in a row since the 2020s, so we're effectively worse than the Kings, Pistons, etc. I don't disagree with you on that at all.
But now there’s so many problems. I don’t even know where to start. Ownership is bad. We can’t fix that. It is what it is. Next then would be the GM and the coach. Our GM has shown he can’t put a winning team together. And the players he chooses don’t fit each other. The Spurs are the island of mismatch toys.
But then you have to wonder is it the GM or is it the coaching or a combination? Bc if the GM wanted Vassell for instance to be a 3&D player and Pop wants him to create for himself and shoot up 20 shots a game and mold his game away from his initial drafting idea. That is more on coaching. But maybe Wright didn’t want to trade for a 20 point scorer and instead wanted to develop one and thought Vassell could be that guy and now both the GM and the coach are at fault. It’s too convoluted for me to know one way or the other. And the same can be said of Sochan.
And the Spurs were picked on for years from other organizations where they just kept stealing our coaching talent. After a while, it isn’t a surprise that we have ty assistants. But again that is a management thing. If we paid better salaries we would get better assistants. Instead we are cheap and that’s why our assistant coaches are lower level guys. No reason why Forcier or Chip should’ve been poached other than bad/cheap ownership.
I think what needs to be fixed before anything is the GM/coaching. We need 2 new ones that actually work well together and know wtf they are doing as a team instead of a yes man and an old man. The GM and coaching also need to be analytical based and focus on team building instead of only BPA. And they need to have an actual structured plan for each player they draft instead of this let’s wing it and fly by the seed of our pants approach we have today. Also how about we poach some guys from other organizations and bring in new blood and new ideas. It’s stale here in SA and we need new people from winning organizations.
KobeAchilles and RC Drunkford making a lot of good depressing points here
Considering spurs main bigs are out of the rotation currently You'd think coach would put boxing out as their main focus on defense.
Barnes has always been a bad rebounder. Vassell isn't great either, nor Julian. On the bench, Keldon is a plus for his position, Castle poor as well I suppose. Collins has always been below par here. Sochan has been injured. Cp is to undersized. Jones as well.
It's more about personale at this stage.
very true
I said the same thing. Add Ime to that list. Once he left, our defense left with him. Same can be said for Chip and the shooting. Spurs need to hire established people instead of trying to develop the janitor into the video guy, then develop the video guy into an assistant coach and so on. They need some new blood in the FO and the coaching staff.
One would think they take a close look at the roster and say: Alright Castle can't shoot, Sochan can't shoot. The rest of our guys should be able to shoot so we can run a modern NBA offense that Wemby can develop in. But no, let's add Tre Jones, Blake Wesley and Zach Collins to the mix and play a bunch of non-shooters, so our spacing is ed up."Timmy didn't care about spacing when he dropped 25/12 every night in 2003."
The job security is another thing. Name one GM who can draft a player mocked in the 2nd round at 11, make him the face of our jersey sponsor, then waives him after he pulled his out everytime he saw a woman and keeps paying him for another 2 seasons, without having to justify any of this. He just keeps his job, cause he's the right guy. Can't make this up tbh
Somebody tell Mitch, he doesn‘t seem to understand that you have to box out to secure rebounds. I guess Pop only taught him about penguins
My biggest fear is that Pop comes back as the head coach as that should not happen and the owners need to step in to make sure that doesn’t happen. It is clear that Mitch is not head coach material and if next season Pop or Mitch is coaching well I can only assume we are tanking again.
I think many people think this is an effort thing and I think that's completely wrong. You can only box out when you're in position to box out. If you're having to rotate then that means you leave your player to contest another player and unless someone can easily rotate over to your man to box out then there's no chance to box out. The Spurs are CONSTANTLY rotating and it often times leads to uncontested offensive rebounds where there is no box out. This is a reality of the defensive system the Spurs are running, not a stat that shows the Spurs are playing with no effort or are too stupid to understand that boxing out gets you rebounds.
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