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Remember when Kawhi was on the block and everybody here was like we'll at least get OG or Siakam....
And BWrong could only swing Poetl?
For the record I don't think the Spurs are going to trade Castle. But there's no way the Kings ask for a package that doesn't have picks involved. And they sure as aren't giving away Fox for Castle alone.
Remember when Kawhi was on the block and everybody here was like we'll at least get OG or Siakam....
And BWrong could only swing Poetl?
Giddey? After Primo?
Good lord what a wreck on the court that would be. Career low in points, frequently benched in crunch time, playing under 30 minutes a game despite playing over 30 his first 2 seasons ... Still can't shoot... Hilarious.
This is the Kings after all….something like Kings breaking off talks when the Spurs won’t include Harrison Barnes and the Kings not realizing that he can’t be included.
Mr. Body on suicide watch if LaMelo joins the team
as with most trade rumors that spread out over the span of a few weeks, this one will continue to evolve. i'm sure we're going to here all sorts of names and teams brought up.
Seems like the ask price will be too high. Fox is a handful but he’s not real efficient with a career best 38% 3 PT%. I think he’s shown over multiple NBA seasons the best 3 PT % we are likely to get out of him is more like 35% which isn’t stellar. That’s what Wemby is shooting and he’s real streaky. Sounds like an ongoing recipe for more of these wild swings we see based on how good or bad our 3 PT shooting is in a given game. With blowout losses on the bad nights. Fox is roster able and an upgrade for us, but won’t solve our core issues or really move the needle in the W/L column.
That said, I don’t have a problem at all moving him for Castle straight up. The jury is out on Castle and his ugly shooting percentage. He’s currently near the bottom of our roster for defensive rating. The reason we are putting up with his bad offensive play was supposed to be that he makes up for it on defense and that has not been the case.
BUT I think it is fine to give a rookie a pass for being a rookie. He has shown enough to warrant ongoing patience for now. That hardly makes him untouchable though. Castle and picks I don’t like, Vassell and picks a little better. The devil in the details is of course which picks.
Trading the Atlanta pick to get this done makes more sense to me.
Hopefully, Spurs history 20 years from now will rate a do entary.
OKC quickly jettisoned Giddey because Presti is good at his job and soon realized that, despite putting up decent numbers at a young age, he was never going to contribute to winning as a second, third or likely even fourth option.
The exact kind of player incompetent, mediocre franchises like CHI acquire and predictably go nowhere with. Not good enough to move the needle but just good enough to keep a team afloat and lazy front offices out of any negative headlines in the national media.
So the perfect player for PATFO to acquire and give an endless leash in the blind hope that he takes some kind of age 25/26/27 leap.
I can already see the be patient you brats, he just got here! sniffer posts after his third-straight season averaging 10 PTS/6 REB/5 AST on 43/31/79 shooting splits
I hate it here
Giddey sounds like a smokescreen for Sacramento.OKC quickly jettisoned Giddey because Presti is good at his job and soon realized that, despite putting up decent numbers at a young age, he was never going to contribute to winning as a second, third or likely even fourth option.
The exact kind of player incompetent, mediocre franchises like CHI acquire and predictably go nowhere with. Not good enough to move the needle but just good enough to keep a team afloat and lazy front offices out of any negative headlines in the national media.
So the perfect player for PATFO to acquire and give an endless leash in the blind hope that he takes some kind of age 25/26/27 leap.
I can already see the be patient you brats, he just got here! sniffer posts after his third-straight season averaging 10 PTS/6 REB/5 AST on 43/31/79 shooting splits
I hate it here
Why does Vic need help now? He isn't ready to compete for a championship himself.
We have time because our star needs time to get stronger and grow his game.
the spurs letting it be known that theyre exploring other options is a necessary part of the song and dance. just like sacto doesnt want to feel trapped into trading him to SAS, the spurs dont want the kings to know that they are tunnel visioned and desperate to get a deal done
Strongly disagree. Wemby's #1 problem is he has no one even approaching a #2 on the roster. They've tripled and quadrupled him more in his young career than I saw in 4-5 years of prime championship level basketball Duncan. It's because you just couldn't do that to Tim - we had second and third options who would beat you, night in and night out.
Vassell, as I've said many times, should never have been shoe horned into such a role. And, regardless of the hate, Vassell is a better player than Castle. It's not up for debate. Vassell as a #3 option is simply a lot better for the team than Castle as the #3. It should also improve his defense since so many less offensive duties will be allocated to him (Vassell).
Castle needs the ball and dribbles to make an impact right now. He's very turnover prone, can't shoot, doesn't consistently draw fouls. He's extraneous with Fox here. Doesn't mean I dislike the kid, or don't think he could be better than even Fox - in the future. Wemby is ready for playoff basketball. He NEEDS the experience. Waiting years for Castle to be the #2 guy only screws our best player, sad but true, and it will also cause chemistry issues because Vassell isn't going to step back from that role readily for him.
Imagine having a Top 5 player in the league and thinking to yourself "he needs to get better before we improve the roster"
Remember when Kawhi was on the block and everybody here was like we'll at least get OG or Siakam....
And BWrong could only swing Poetl?It Still Hurts®
I know most here are a 'no' on Castle. I'm not. I'd much rather move Devin, but if they insisted my best offer would be:
Sac- Castle + KJ + Collins + Malaki + Cha + Chi + Spurs 2027 + their pick swap back
Spurs- Fox + Castle
I agree Castle shouldn't be a deal breaker. It can't be Castle + Devin though, unless they are talking about those two with no picks attached.
I've come to accept that Vassell is likely gone in this deal. It bothers me because we lose the little amount of spacing we have without him. Even if he's not the dead eye shooter he should be, Vassell can be streaky and the vast majority of opponents will stick to him on the 3 point line. Castle might as well be Mamu or Zollins out there. It'll be a tightly packed paint area and even Fox is going to have trouble breaking it open. I don't like it, it's more bad roster construction but whatever, Castle IS young and does have the defense that Vassell should have had but apparently doesn't. Maybe he gets better shooting threes or something.
Who get Castle?
nothing slight about it.
So you want them to trade Castle back to us after we trade him to them?
It adds a touch of journeyman experience for him.
Well, hopefully the Spurs make other moves to also address this issue (which is a real one - I agree with you). I just think we should go with talent over fit at this point.
I'll bite.Castle is off limit's because...well he just is
How about because he's a just turned 20 year old, averaging 14.5/3.4/2.6 in 26.7 minutes in January, who looks like a future All-Defense guy with great switchability- don't care what D-rating says about a 20/yo still adjusting to NBA speed/size-, who would likely be #1 if a redraft happened today and has a great chance to ROY, who has played well enough already to make many reasonably believe he can get to a 25/6/5 (Prime Fox) level maybe in 2-3 yrs (and a 19+/5/4 potential guy playing 31-2mpg next season) with far superior defense and much better size, who is under cheap team control for a year longer than Vic,
AND
The guy you would trade him for reportedly has made it clear he wants to go to SA- SA is THE LIST- and SA is the only team he'd sign an extension with, who is also dealing with multiple injuries and my be tanking his value to lower the price tag so the SA team he joins can be as best positioned as possible to contend next season.
Or everyone that wants him "off limit's" is a poophead but not you. Grow up.
I don't think many, if any, would be mad at a Castle + Collins + more salary filler/2nds, but Castle is worth 2 or 3 FRPs right now. Castle plus first round picks is an overpay for a guy that is letting it be known he wants to go to SA. That is much more than "just is". Context matters dude.
Last edited by Arguendo; 01-30-2025 at 10:48 PM.
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