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    dallas just made the finals. how is that "not working."

    its already being reported that dallas didnt decide to move luka because he was non-committal. supposedly they legitimately lost faith in him as their franchise guy because of his conditioning issues and party habits and whatnot

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    Actually I think I counted Lebron's min twice so I think its closer to 15 million but that is still barely above the MLE and would require Lebron taking the min.

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    What the ?

    Check this out guys

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    Someone should’ve blocked the Dallas GM from watching Moneyball. The man not way that guy keeps his job is if Mavs get back to the Finals.

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    I know you're being sarcastic, and I get how this situation in particular seems so absurd that it makes no sense to try to look at it as part of a trend.. Every time something like this fails, there's always some special reason to justify why it didn't work out. However, the fact that despite all the unique cir stances each situation has, this result happens basically every single time should give you pause. Luka didn't want to commit to a moribund team that has no future, so he wasn't willing to put in the work despite his considerable talent. The lack of a path to contention makes stars ask out far more than a team having a path but not moving early enough.

    The Spurs aren't likely to win a le over the next 2-4 years with or without Fox (or Markkanen or Young). They are much more likely to lose their chance in 4-6 years to win if they give up their best assets in a quest to try to make something of a Wemby/Fox core now. And no, it's not sniffing, because I have no idea what the Spurs are going to do. If they trade for Fox, I'll still think it was the wrong move. I'll try to focus on the good of it, but that's not the same thing as me thinking it was a nice move. Fox is not on Morant's tier, regardless of what some stats say. Fox is the kind of guy you hope is a number 2 to a Wemby who's developed enough to win a le. Morant a guy who can be a 1a/1b with Wemby while Victor is still growing. He has MVP candidate upside. Fox does not. Of course, Morant has his issues that make him a risky get, and he's not on the block. My point is that when you have to try to build around Wemby and one other max player, that breaking point is Morant. Fox, Garland and even Young aren't above that cutoff.

    Someone who is above that breaking point and may actually be available is Irving. He has plenty of his own problems. But he's firmly in that trench where he can be the player to help Wemby now while also being too old to require major investment. You get him for a couple of years, and then you let him go and hope either someone like Castle has proven himself or that a target aligned with the team's needs is around is available.
    Dallas letting talent walk for nothing, then still having a finals team and choosing to blow it up for a sub optimal package isn't something failing anymore than someone putting a gun to their own head is dying of natural causes.

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    Can't blame folks for putting their tinfoil hats over this one (read the comments). Kirk is pretty sane and level-headed Mavs blogger and even he smells something fishy around this trade. The fact that the Mavs (Nico Harrisson) picked the phone to talk to only one team is a tad bit su ious especially for a player of this caliber.


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    If this can happen, Jimmy Butler can be traded.

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    dallas just made the finals. how is that "not working."

    its already being reported that dallas didnt decide to move luka because he was non-committal. supposedly they legitimately lost faith in him as their franchise guy because of his conditioning issues and party habits and whatnot
    The "just made the finals" cuts both ways.

    Either Luka has just proven he was a franchise player, and Dallas' lack of faith being enough to motivate an immediate trade makes no sense, or Dallas making the finals wasn't enough to get Luka to commit, and thus they failed to build a team around their star and lacked any reasonable pathway to do so.

    (And no, I'm not ignoring the very real possibility that something horrible will come out about Doncic ala Watson or Tucker. That feels like the only reasonable justification for why Dallas would filp out like this.)

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    The lesson to take from this is not to let Castle sign with the Knicks and get nothing in return but somehow trying to spin it as the Spurs shouldn't make good moves to make the team better because they'll have to trade Wemby is a wild take.

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    Dallas letting talent walk for nothing, then still having a finals team and choosing to blow it up for a sub optimal package isn't something failing anymore than someone putting a gun to their own head is dying of natural causes.
    I think you realized partway through your analogy you weren't really making sense. It's like saying "Everyone who hangs out in radiation dying from cancer is not an accident" is wrong because one of the folks who hung out in the radiation shot themselves when they noticed the first symptoms. Like, yes, the guy who shot himself didn't technically die from cancer, but the cancer was already there, and it did play a role in their death.

    Yes, we can believe Dallas was acting completely irrationally, and the quickness of this trade leaves that as a major possibility. But my guess is that Dallas plays this situation completely differently if they had an actual future. This isn't a Deron Williams level player we're talking about here.

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    Count me in the wft camp. Let’s throw away all the illogical stuff like Davis helps Dallas contend or Luka wanted out and losing a hundred million. Throw away the conspiracy theories as well and it leaves very little to work with trying to decipher the situation.

    It honestly seems like a fit of anger by the Mavs FO after some discussion with Luka and his representatives. Almost a bad blood issue with them making sure he loses a hundred million. I could believe this on a human level but on a multi-bilion dollar company level it makes zero sense.

    If they actually thought he was in the Kawhi camp of having a physical issue that would prevent him from being worth a supermax it still doesn’t make sense to not even try to shop him, get offers. There are days until the trade deadline, it looks like total negligence by their FO. The Spurs situation was different in the sense that they literally did everything to make the situation work even at the cost of him destroying his trade value completely. Dallas pulled the plug so early and unexpectedly that the only semi-logical reason I can come up with is that they wanted to avoid a Kawhi situation. Kawhi had a degenerative knee though, not a conditioning issue, it’s way worse no matter how you look at it.

    Honestly I can’t come up with anything more logical. I’m truly flabbergasted.

    This trade will send shockwaves into other FO’s plans, perhaps Spurs included.

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    I wasn't sure if something was rotten in this whole deal, but the lame justification from the Dallas GM sealed it. ing Lakers versus Lakers never dies.

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    I think you realized partway through your analogy you weren't really making sense. It's like saying "Everyone who hangs out in radiation dying from cancer is not an accident" is wrong because one of the folks who hung out in the radiation shot themselves when they noticed the first symptoms. Like, yes, the guy who shot himself didn't technically die from cancer, but the cancer was already there, and it did play a role in their death.

    Yes, we can believe Dallas was acting completely irrationally, and the quickness of this trade leaves that as a major possibility. But my guess is that Dallas plays this situation completely differently if they had an actual future. This isn't a Deron Williams level player we're talking about here.
    Sure, if going to the Finals and building what the entirety of the NBA is considered a successful team then they were dying of cancer. Of course that pretty much completely ignores that Dallas was obviously in a better position than 80% of NBA teams, They received universal acclaim for their trades and the team they built last year, and Luka is a unanimous top 5 NBA player. Luka is such an injury concern that the Mavs traded him for the paragon of NBA health, AD. Everyone could obviously see that Dallas was in a TERRIBLE position which is why no one was shocked that they decided to make this trade.

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    Dallas punched through OKC with Gafford and Lively beating them up. OKC has trouble with Anthony Davis, a lot. But that was with Doncic.

    I don't get what the Lakers do to build a team around Doncic. Word seems to be that LeBron didn't even know about this trade. Whether he did or not doesn't matter. It's a junk roster. LBJ and fat Doncic probably doesn't get you very far. They don't have many assets to use at this point.

    But I guess you just collude your way into a supporting cast or something.

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    Count me in the wft camp. Let’s throw away all the illogical stuff like Davis helps Dallas contend or Luka wanted out and losing a hundred million. Throw away the conspiracy theories as well and it leaves very little to work with trying to decipher the situation.

    It honestly seems like a fit of anger by the Mavs FO after some discussion with Luka and his representatives. Almost a bad blood issue with them making sure he loses a hundred million. I could believe this on a human level but on a multi-bilion dollar company level it makes zero sense.

    If they actually thought he was in the Kawhi camp of having a physical issue that would prevent him from being worth a supermax it still doesn’t make sense to not even try to shop him, get offers. There are days until the trade deadline, it looks like total negligence by their FO. The Spurs situation was different in the sense that they literally did everything to make the situation work even at the cost of him destroying his trade value completely. Dallas pulled the plug so early and unexpectedly that the only semi-logical reason I can come up with is that they wanted to avoid a Kawhi situation. Kawhi had a degenerative knee though, not a conditioning issue, it’s way worse no matter how you look at it.

    Honestly I can’t come up with anything more logical. I’m truly flabbergasted.

    This trade will send shockwaves into other FO’s plans, perhaps Spurs included.
    The second best player in the world was available for trade, and 28 general managers found that out when the Shams tweet hit.

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    Count me in the wft camp. Let’s throw away all the illogical stuff like Davis helps Dallas contend or Luka wanted out and losing a hundred million. Throw away the conspiracy theories as well and it leaves very little to work with trying to decipher the situation.

    It honestly seems like a fit of anger by the Mavs FO after some discussion with Luka and his representatives. Almost a bad blood issue with them making sure he loses a hundred million. I could believe this on a human level but on a multi-bilion dollar company level it makes zero sense.

    If they actually thought he was in the Kawhi camp of having a physical issue that would prevent him from being worth a supermax it still doesn’t make sense to not even try to shop him, get offers. There are days until the trade deadline, it looks like total negligence by their FO. The Spurs situation was different in the sense that they literally did everything to make the situation work even at the cost of him destroying his trade value completely. Dallas pulled the plug so early and unexpectedly that the only semi-logical reason I can come up with is that they wanted to avoid a Kawhi situation. Kawhi had a degenerative knee though, not a conditioning issue, it’s way worse no matter how you look at it.

    Honestly I can’t come up with anything more logical. I’m truly flabbergasted.

    This trade will send shockwaves into other FO’s plans, perhaps Spurs included.
    Yeah, I basically expect for something truly heinous to come out at this point. Maybe that's unfair to Doncic, but this stinks really badly. If their relationship with Doncic has deteriorated that much to where they hate him, I don't see how folks can just pretend like their terrible roster and utter inability to meaningfully improve it isn't a factor.

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    To be fair, how is Adelson supposed to afford Luka's supermax after she just paid Trump $100 million?
    Don't be gay and bring politics into something we can all agree: The Mavs are re s and the Lakers suck .

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    Sure, if going to the Finals and building what the entirety of the NBA is considered a successful team then they were dying of cancer.
    Yeah, it turns out in the early stages of cancer, folks on the outside may not be able to immediately diagnose it. Whoda thunk?

    I guess one way to continue to cling to a philosophy with a zero-percent success rate is to just assume every time it fails was just a once-in-a-lifetime fumbling

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    I still think this is all about Luka not signing an extension. He has a player option end of next season. Lakers have max space on summer of 26. I think he told the Mavs he’s not signing the max extension.
    Tbh

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    Alot is going to be written about this trade


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    Yeah, it turns out in the early stages of cancer, folks on the outside may not be able to immediately diagnose it. Whoda thunk?

    I guess one way to continue to cling to a philosophy with a zero-percent success rate is to just assume every time it fails was just a once-in-a-lifetime fumbling
    I mean my dude you're acting like everyone else is assuming when you're making the biggest assumptions of them all in the wildest manner of all. You're acting like your chosen pathway to support your narrative is somehow infallible and obviously correct despite the reporting otherwise and the entirety of the basketball world being in utter shock at the idiocy of this trade.

    Sure Chinook, you diagnosed cancer while the rest of us all just watched the Mavs build a team that went to the finals and then blow it up 8 months later. You got it man.

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    To be fair, Davis does have real value. Folks are treating him like he's basically filler, but he'd be in the top 10-20 assets in the league. While I don't think the Lakers would've won a true bidding war, Davis and a first beats out a lot of other teams' best offers.

    That said, Dallas has no path to a le with an Irving/Thompson/Davis core. They REALLY should be looking to sell off at this point.

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    Don't be gay and bring politics into something we can all agree: The Mavs are re s and the Lakers suck .
    at this point, no wanting a dirty foreigner to be the face of your franchise because deep MAGA brain rot, is just as viable a reason for why this happened.

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    To be fair, Davis does have real value. Folks are treating him like he's basically filler, but he'd be in the top 10-20 assets in the league. While I don't think the Lakers would've won a true bidding war, Davis and a first beats out a lot of other teams' best offers.

    That said, Dallas has no path to a le with an Irving/Thompson/Davis core. They REALLY should be looking to sell off at this point.
    I think Mavs know something we don’t know. First Luka is out of shape and injured too. He don’t play defense. I think the Mavs with Davis have a better chance to win with this group. Probably they have a 2 year window.

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