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    What’s funny? The logic was sound and I said “IF” in there…the deal was for the swap. The possibility of moving Reggie for some 2nds back was a cursory thing

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    Bullock was in such high demand that after his buy out he agreed to a deal with the ::checks notes:: Houston Rockets.


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    Bullock was in such high demand that after his buy out he agreed to a deal with the ::checks notes:: Houston Rockets.

    I think most contending rosters are full, but yah, he's an aging vet who declined last year. For the Rockets he could be a good pick-up. They have a lot of puppies who have no idea what they're doing and he could help.

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    We could have given him 30 min per game and still no one would trade a second round pick for him. He is top 10 in 3pt shot quality last year which means nobody guards him. Does not space the floor and defense has fell off and not getting younger.
    Last edited by rankingtear; 10-03-2023 at 11:09 AM.

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    We could have given him 30 min per game and still no one would trade a second round pick for him. He is top 10 in 3pt shot quality last year which means nobody guards him. Does not space the floor and defense has fell off and not getting younger.
    Not to mention the distracting hair, we already have Jeremy for that we don't need two hair distractors.

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    By looking at various sources about the financial behind the buyout:
    https://notradeclause.com/san-antonio-spurs/
    https://www.capsheets.com/san-antonio-spurs-cap-sheet/

    First, Bullock had a 5% trade bonus in his contract. His contract went from $10,489,600 to $11,014,080.

    Second, the buyout negotiated is $7,817,632. It is exactly his salary minus his minimum salary ($3,196,448). If he signs a min salary with Houston, it would be a neutral financial operation for him.

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    By looking at various sources about the financial behind the buyout:
    https://notradeclause.com/san-antonio-spurs/
    https://www.capsheets.com/san-antonio-spurs-cap-sheet/

    First, Bullock had a 5% trade bonus in his contract. His contract went from $10,489,600 to $11,014,080.

    Second, the buyout negotiated is $7,817,632. It is exactly his salary minus his minimum salary ($3,196,448). If he signs a min salary with Houston, it would be a neutral financial operation for him.
    I take it a buyout in the amount to make a minimum contract net neutral is a common practice? It makes sense.

    Thanks for the links btw. Spotrac has been slow to update Vassell's contract (they have it as a standard increasing contract, 8% per year).

    It looks like the Spurs can open up about $42.5M of cap room next just by renouncing Birch, Osman, and McDermott. They can waive Graham and add the non-guaranteed amount for next year (around $10M iirc) to that $42.5M too. If I'm doing the calculations right, that is.

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    It looks like the Spurs can open up about $42.5M of cap room next just by renouncing Birch, Osman, and McDermott. They can waive Graham and add the non-guaranteed amount for next year (around $10M iirc) to that $42.5M too. If I'm doing the calculations right, that is.
    It's very hard to have a good idea on how much cap space will have next summer mostly for two reasons:
    1) NBA hasn't released a 2024 salary cap estimation. "journalists" interested in that aspect of the NBA are using various figures going from $140M to $149.6M.
    2) 2024 first round picks will count against the cap. Spurs might 1, 2 or 3 first round with various ranks. The space taken by 2024 first round picks could go from something like $5M to $20M.

    Because of these, even a precise salary cap evaluation might end up being $10M or more wrong.

    With that in mind let's make one with a $145M cap and spurs having 2 first round picks with a $12M cap hold:
    - Spurs have 5 players next year with a fully guaranteed contract (Vassell, KJ, Wemby, Tre and Cissoko) for a total of $72.1M.
    - 3 players (Sochan, Branham and Wesley) have a team option that must be picked before the end of this training camp. Let's say Spurs pick all three, it will add $11.4M to the cap.
    - Spurs waive Graham and have to pay him $2.9M.
    - They have 2 first round picks for $12M.
    - Spurs renounce to all their free agents and waive Bassey and Champagnie.
    - 2 incomplete roster charges must be added for 2*$1.2M: $2.4M

    => Spurs will have $44.2M in cap space in that scenario. Spurs could have a little less cap space if they decide to keep Champagnie and/or Bassey. If they keep their rights to Zollins, cap space will be around $30M.

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    It's very hard to have a good idea on how much cap space will have next summer mostly for two reasons:
    1) NBA hasn't released a 2024 salary cap estimation. "journalists" interested in that aspect of the NBA are using various figures going from $140M to $149.6M.
    2) 2024 first round picks will count against the cap. Spurs might 1, 2 or 3 first round with various ranks. The space taken by 2024 first round picks could go from something like $5M to $20M.

    Because of these, even a precise salary cap evaluation might end up being $10M or more wrong.

    With that in mind let's make one with a $145M cap and spurs having 2 first round picks with a $12M cap hold:
    - Spurs have 5 players next year with a fully guaranteed contract (Vassell, KJ, Wemby, Tre and Cissoko) for a total of $72.1M.
    - 3 players (Sochan, Branham and Wesley) have a team option that must be picked before the end of this training camp. Let's say Spurs pick all three, it will add $11.4M to the cap.
    - Spurs waive Graham and have to pay him $2.9M.
    - They have 2 first round picks for $12M.
    - Spurs renounce to all their free agents and waive Bassey and Champagnie.
    - 2 incomplete roster charges must be added for 2*$1.2M: $2.4M

    => Spurs will have $44.2M in cap space in that scenario. Spurs could have a little less cap space if they decide to keep Champagnie and/or Bassey. If they keep their rights to Zollins, cap space will be around $30M.
    Dougie McBuckets extension incoming

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    So Khem Birch is in camp and according to Pop is going at full speed. He may not be the automatic cut everyone was assuming.

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    So Khem Birch is in camp and according to Pop is going at full speed. He may not be the automatic cut everyone was assuming.
    Yeah, I'm curious to see what the Spurs do with Birch. Osman was a head scratcher for me, too, but he seems to be fitting into the grand plan. Maybe Birch has a spot.


    As for Bullock, I kind of liked him on the roster and thought maybe he'd be trade bait down the road. Spurs must have decided they wouldn't get anything of value for him and that he wasn't a good fit for the rebuild. I always think young teams need a veteran presence at the end of the bench, and since Bullock was considered a good locker room guy, and a player they could bring in for the corner threes when the team was struggling, I thought he'd stick around. Oh well.

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    Bullock signed for the league minimum which kinda tells you what his trade value was.

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    Yeah, I'm curious to see what the Spurs do with Birch. Osman was a head scratcher for me, too, but he seems to be fitting into the grand plan. Maybe Birch has a spot.


    As for Bullock, I kind of liked him on the roster and thought maybe he'd be trade bait down the road. Spurs must have decided they wouldn't get anything of value for him and that he wasn't a good fit for the rebuild. I always think young teams need a veteran presence at the end of the bench, and since Bullock was considered a good locker room guy, and a player they could bring in for the corner threes when the team was struggling, I thought he'd stick around. Oh well.
    Bullock looked about done last year. Doubt he gets much playing time in Houston unless something's gone very wrong. Osman sticking isn't a surprise. Birch still here is a complete and utter surprise.

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    Just to clarify, they have to cut either Birch or Cedy, right?

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    Just to clarify, they have to cut either Birch or Cedy, right?
    They have to cut one of anybody.

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    Bullock looked about done last year. Doubt he gets much playing time in Houston unless something's gone very wrong. Osman sticking isn't a surprise. Birch still here is a complete and utter surprise.
    Thanks. My body of reference is probably outdated on Bullock as I hardly paid attention to him last year. I guess the Spurs were sparing him the DeMarre Carroll fate and bought him out so he wouldn't rot on the bench for the next 5 months.

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    It’s gotta be Berch. Only reason he’s still on the team has to be bc they want the camp body. Doubt there are anymore trades before the start of the season.

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    Let's just say, we might not have gotten another 2nd rounder for him, but the nutmeg was worth it.

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    Nice.

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    Brian Wright looking more and more like a genius

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    So the swap has no protections on it at all? That pick swap may have now just gotten really, really good. Also makes it a more enticing asset.

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    Reggie Bullock about to get us a top 4 pick lol just in time to retool for our Go for Ocho tour.

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    . 2030 AD will be 36 years old. Kyrie will be 37 years old

    Thank you Mavs.

    We have a top 1 protected pick from T-wolves as well in 2031 right? (from the Rob DHam trade) Future look good.

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    . 2030 AD will be 36 years old. Kyrie will be 37 years old

    Thank you Mavs.

    We have a top 1 protected pick from T-wolves as well in 2031 right? (from the Rob DHam trade) Future look good.
    I believe that 2031 Minny swap is the same as how B Wright ed Nico Harrison in this trade.

    Unprotected.

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