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    Counting Cissoko, the Spurs have 18 guys on or promised big team deals, so 3 have to go. Assuming Birch and Stevens are 2 of those, they still have one guy to waive or trade.

    Rice and, presumably, Barlow, will be one two-way deals, with one two-way spot open.

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    Khem and Lamar are the obvious candidates if it comes down to the waiver wire. Dominick may have to do what Bassey had to do last year and hang out on a 2way for a while until a roster spot clears later in the year. I remember many fits being had here about that.
    I'm not sure he lasts that long. Someone is gonna throw him a real contract.

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    Kind of hope to keep Stevens, but he probably doesn't get any playing time. As for Cedi and Bullock my guess is Cedi stays, despite the difference in contract.

    Didn't look at Miami's roster, but that Lowry consolidation move is interesting -- gives them more, needed depth and gives us a player that can help, who can be swung to a contender or as a salary dump near deadline.

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    The Spurs are not done dealing yet. They can combine several smaller expirings to take on a bad contract and draft capital, or take back Lowry as part of the Heat/Blazers trade, etc.

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    Kind of hope to keep Stevens, but he probably doesn't get any playing time. As for Cedi and Bullock my guess is Cedi stays, despite the difference in contract.

    Didn't look at Miami's roster, but that Lowry consolidation move is interesting -- gives them more, needed depth and gives us a player that can help, who can be swung to a contender or as a salary dump near deadline.
    dont see how stevens possibly hangs around given the numbers game at hand. especially if we are earmarking a roster spot for Cissoko. and thats even assuming we keep barlow on a 2 way. stevens is good as gone imo

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    The Spurs are not done dealing yet. They can combine several smaller expirings to take on a bad contract and draft capital, or take back Lowry as part of the Heat/Blazers trade, etc.
    the appeal of having the spurs including in a deal involving lowry was that we could simply absorb the cap hit. if we're going to be sending back matching salaries it kinda defeats the purpose, no?

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    the appeal of having the spurs including in a deal involving lowry was that we could simply absorb the cap hit. if we're going to be sending back matching salaries it kinda defeats the purpose, no?
    Kind of. The Spurs might value Lowry enough that they wouldn't insist on getting draft capital in addition, and the Spurs have enough cap space to absorb some salary so they can take Lowry's $30M while only sending out something like $15M.

    I get that number (Spurs have $15M cap space left) from this article, you'd have to scroll down or search for Spurs.

    https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-rumo...bucks-celtics/

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    So, what are we thinking?

    CP3, Fox, Vassell/Castle(?), Barnes, Wemby

    Castle/Vassell(?), Champ, Keldon, Sochan

    Since we're at it, might as well go all in and see if we can transform Keldon into Cam Johnson, tbh.

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    So, what are we thinking?

    CP3, Fox, Vassell/Castle(?), Barnes, Wemby

    Castle/Vassell(?), Champ, Keldon, Sochan

    Since we're at it, might as well go all in and see if we can transform Keldon into Cam Johnson, tbh.
    I feel like we aren't done. Roster is completely unbalanced. I think Sad Keldon is still gonna be sad.

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    Time for Spurs to do the funniest thing: play Fox for 10 games, then make him get surgery on his hand and go for that 20-30% chance of landing a top 4 pick.

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    We just need a solid backup Center and we're tooled for this season, with more to come in the offseason. Who could we flip Keldon and assets for?

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    We just need a solid backup Center and we're tooled for this season, with more to come in the offseason. Who could we flip Keldon and assets for?
    Cam Johnson. Besides a backup center, we need more shooting.

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    I'm less interested in getting a backup big at this point unless some value pop up. My big question right now is Chris Paul.

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    I'm less interested in getting a backup big at this point unless some value pop up. My big question right now is Chris Paul.
    Agreed, he deserves to have a say but his is also a nice expiring contract that can be combo'd with Malaki and/or Blake to fetch a 17M player.

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    I think the message to CP3 is it’s time for us to play our best, so do you want to chill with us or we trade you somewhere for more PT / chance to ring. We’d love to have you, even transitioning to assistant coach in a few years if you’re interested.

    After that convo, my ideal is below, adjusting for matchups:

    PG: Fox - CP3 - Blake
    SG: Castle - Champ - Branham
    SF: Vassell - Keldon
    PF: Barnes - Sochan
    C: Wemby - Bassey / Mamu

    Castle and Sochan aren’t both on the court (for too long). Wemby (most mins) Sochan Bassey Mamu could rotate to where Bassey Sochan never see each other.

    1st unit is extremely dangerous. 2nd unit is much better but too reliant on KJ to initiate. Maybe stagger Fox / Castle later to help 2nd unit, aka 2nd unit starts small with Bassey/Mamu odd man out.

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    After that convo, my ideal is below, adjusting for matchups:

    PG: Fox - CP3 - Blake
    SG: Castle - Champ - Branham
    SF: Vassell - Keldon
    PF: Barnes - Sochan
    C: Wemby - Bassey / Mamu

    Castle and Sochan aren’t both on the court (for too long). Wemby (most mins) Sochan Bassey Mamu could rotate to where Bassey Sochan never see each other.

    1st unit is extremely dangerous. 2nd unit is much better but too reliant on KJ to initiate. Maybe stagger Fox / Castle later to help 2nd unit, aka 2nd unit starts small with Bassey/Mamu odd man out.
    agree but would swap barnes and sochan. W/ fox providing a more scoring punch in the first unit, think sochan wont be as much of a liability on offense. Plus cp3 orchestrating dishes to either barnes, kj, or champagnie is pretty scary and legit 3 point threats.

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    agree but would swap barnes and sochan. W/ fox providing a more scoring punch in the first unit, think sochan wont be as much of a liability on offense. Plus cp3 orchestrating dishes to either barnes, kj, or champagnie is pretty scary and legit 3 point threats.
    If you swap CP3 for Fox and Barnes for Sochan, the lineup would have atrocious spacing, tbh.

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    i would think Fox/Vassell/Castle/Barnes/Wemby makes the most sense. they probably asks paul if hes fine being a backup the rest of way or if he'd prefer to get traded out. not sure what contending team would call for CP3 though. Dallas?

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    Spurs won’t force CP3 out he will get his minutes and a good teacher for Fox

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    Cam Johnson. Besides a backup center, we need more shooting.
    Cam has two years left at 21 million per after this season. What would Brooklyn want from us in addition to Keldon ? likely another first atleast.

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    Cam has two years left at 21 million per after this season. What would Brooklyn want from us in addition to Keldon ? likely another first atleast.
    A top 20 protected first round pick seems fair. Maybe add some 2nd rounders. Nothing more than that, tbh.

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    If roster remains unchanged I think the following is the best lineup for right now:

    CP3/Castle
    Fox/Vassell
    Vassell/Champ/Keldon
    Sochan/Barnes
    Wemby/Bassey

    I'd run a 3-man guard rotation with CP3/Fox/Castle and have Devin pick up an additional 5-10 mpg at SG to fill in the gaps. Sochan has to be in the starting lineup if you start CP3/Fox/Vassell otherwise we get absolutely hammersmashed on defense. Keldon and Champ share minutes like they are currently doing.

    What I don't like about this lineup is that it deprioritizes Castle while we still should be investing in his development as a future Big 3 piece (in my opinion).

    Alternatively, you move swap Castle and Barnes in for Dev and Sochan in the starting lineup and go with a quick hook on CP3 in the rotation for Devin and get some Fox/Castle/Dev minutes and then Castle subs out for Jeremy and then Keldon or Champ in for Barnes a little later.

    Lots of flexibility in the potential guard pairings, but wing gets a little messy at times. I think a consolidation and upgrade trade among some combination of Devin/Keldon/Sochan/Barnes/Champ is in order, but it's not an ultra high priority. I'd rather still try and add something better behind Wemby, as I am not interested in any more Sochan C minutes.

    Despite my feelings on Vassell, I like the 3-man guard rotations of Fox/Castle/Devin if Castle can continue to develop his ball handler skills. Right now he's best as a secondary ball handler, which works with Fox but may get a little messy next to Devin.

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    A top 20 protected first round pick seems fair. Maybe add some 2nd rounders. Nothing more than that, tbh.
    well lets give them Keldon and our 28 first rounder. Assuming he would take a three year extension from us as well

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    well lets give them Keldon and our 28 first rounder. Assuming he would take a three year extension from us as well
    Apparently, the Nets are looking for 2 first rounders for Johnson.

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    I think CP3 will start, but move to the bench earlier so that PG minutes are handled by him or Fox - always have 1 good PG on the floor.

    Some, something like Fox has 5 - 10 minutes at SG, 25 or so at PG, with CP3 playing about 25 mpg.
    A bunch of Castle / Vassell / Keldon / Champ / Barnes / Sochan (and spot Mamu) wing minutes at 2 -3- 4.
    Wemby 33mpg, Bassey / Sochan fill in the rest at C.

    We're going to have spacing issues, especially with Wemby on the bench. But, genuine talent upgrade, just makes adding shooters clear as a priority, now that there's a clear #1 ball handler who puts pressure on defences.

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