Spurs trade ideas

[DPG21920]

Well, you said they "have no picks", when in fact they have more than if they just had their own. The point is, ATL has the capability to improve their team without getting their own picks back - so they are unlikely to be in a situation where they are desperate to get them back (like PHX will be very shortly).

I wasn’t being literal lol. I meant they dont have their own picks in very core drafts coming up where they need to clearly improve their team or risk Trae walking because he wants to win etc..

[baseline bum]

What if they traded Trae to HOU for say Jabari Smith (and other salaries) + 2027 first round draft pick from Brooklyn (swap, Houston outgoing) + 2027 first round draft pick from Phoenix + 2029 first round draft pick from Dallas and / or Phoenix (two most favorable of these and Houston, Houston outgoing to Brooklyn)

And those picks get re-routed to SA for ATL 25, ATL 26 swap and ATL 27?

So spurs give up ATL 25, 26 swap and ATL 27 and get: Best of 27 pick from HOU or BKY (replaces the 27 pick from ATL), 2027 PHX (replaces 25 ATL), and 2029 firsts from 2 of HOU, Dallas or PHX

I really think Houston is just going to sit back and wait a year until Phoenix realizes they have to send them Booker.

[DPG21920]

Well, you said they "have no picks", when in fact they have more than if they just had their own. The point is, ATL has the capability to improve their team without getting their own picks back - so they are unlikely to be in a situation where they are desperate to get them back (like PHX will be very shortly).

Who can ATL outbid with Kings + Laker picks if a real player is available for trade without giving up Hunter/Jalen/Dyson/Risacher? When would ATL ever have best package without their own picks in tow?

They have some picks and like I said, are they going to give up their remaining draft capital for someone like Ingram to try and keep eeking into playoffs and hope that Trae will sign another big extension (further hampering ability to build a winner)?

[baseline bum]

Yea, Phoenix would have to pivot based on Beal not dropping his no trade clause. I wouldn't give more than our lesser pick this year though.

I just don't see Miami swallowing Beal. God I hope we don't either.

[DPG21920]

There is almost no scenario where I'm trading the ATL25 pick at this point. We got Fox while preserving that, which is a major ing coup. Against ATL's best efforts, that "golden ticket" is trending to exactly where we only could have hoped in our wildest dreams. Don't it up now because we got a huge trade W under our belt.

This is going to come as a shock coming from me... but now is the time for some patience, mijitos.

I agree there lol - IM not just giving it up, but Im more pointing out ATL is in a tough spot and SA could be a team that facilitates them “surprise” blowing it up

[spurraider21]

Honestly, I think Hunter is a guy who really fits what we need. With that said, I'm happy with standing pat for now other than seeing what we can do at backup C... unless some great opportunity for a consolidation trade appears. I like Hunter a lot and think he's the right archetype, but I'm not too excited to spend anymore FRPs, and I'd rather just have ATL25.

spurs should absolutely stand pat. the Fox acquisition is going to really change the on-court dynamics on both ends of the court. a lot of guys who looked awkward or bad might suddenly be elevated. some guys might look worse with this fit. we should give the rest of the year to figure out how well these players gel, and then strike when the time is right in the future.

if we want to send 2-3 seconds to get a solid reserve with more than a year left on his deal, thats something id entertain

[DPG21920]

I really think Houston is just going to sit back and wait a year until Phoenix realizes they have to send them Booker.

True - but it was just one example of possible type deals. I don’t think HOU would do that if they think theres a 10% chance Booker wants out

[montgod]

The move would be what I posted a few pages back... Butler to PHX, Durant to SA, Devin and Keldon to Miami. Both Miami and PHX would need draft compensation obviously. It's fun to think about it, but I'm staying away

Yeah I'm with you in that I don't want to mess with any of those valuable picks that FO were able to keep before seeing who they could be at the end of the season. And yeah your scenario does include a lot of pieces and can't see it happening IF Butler goes to PHX since owner will want to see if that new big 3 works. Definitely wouldn't happen this year. Both teams would laugh at the Devin/Keldon additions cause I think Spurs value them more than other teams unless a valuable 1st rd or two are included.

[mo7888]

I just don't see Miami swallowing Beal. God I hope we don't either.

We nor Miami would take Beal i don't believe. They're trying to find a 3rd team to move him to. If they fail, they can either offer up KD or stand pat.

[LeBowen]

spurs should absolutely stand pat. the Fox acquisition is going to really change the on-court dynamics on both ends of the court. a lot of guys who looked awkward or bad might suddenly be elevated. some guys might look worse with this fit. we should give the rest of the year to figure out how well these players gel, and then strike when the time is right in the future.

if we want to send 2-3 seconds to get a solid reserve with more than a year left on his deal, thats something id entertain

I'd say we must get a reliable backup big, but I agree about not making bigger moves.
The team just doesn't function without Wemby on the floor, how are bench lineups supposed to develop and play their best game if Jeremy is the backup big?
Jeremy who gets the short end of the stick yet again.
I'm not that high on him, but we can't know his actual ceiling if he's going to play every single role except his actual one.

[ixiXSolidXixi]

Trade Keldon Johnson for Cam Johnson.
Then we have Fox, Vassell and Cam with Castle to cover all three.

If we get a Top 5 we can grab Tre Johnson to replace Vassell in the near future.

[scott]

spurs should absolutely stand pat. the Fox acquisition is going to really change the on-court dynamics on both ends of the court. a lot of guys who looked awkward or bad might suddenly be elevated. some guys might look worse with this fit. we should give the rest of the year to figure out how well these players gel, and then strike when the time is right in the future.

if we want to send 2-3 seconds to get a solid reserve with more than a year left on his deal, thats something id entertain

Seconded! Spurs Pro Scouting department should kiss their wives and kids goodbye for the rest of the season and need to have the most dialed in reports they've ever put together. I want 20 pagers on LaRavia and Aldama on my desk by Saturday!

[montgod]

We nor Miami would take Beal i don't believe. They're trying to find a 3rd team to move him to. If they fail, they can either offer up KD or stand pat.

Yeah that's a tough one. I could see Bulls might w/their trade exception and try to work in Vucevic/White/Williams in the deal some how. Nets or Utah might as well.

[Teamduncan21]

Trade Keldon Johnson for Cam Johnson.
Then we have Fox, Vassell and Cam with Castle to cover all three.

If we get a Top 5 we can grab Tre Johnson to replace Vassell in the near future.

Need to have all the Johnson's now

[RC_Drunkford]

I posted this on X but wanted to post here too. I really do wonder what, if anything we see from ATL here this deadline:

I wonder what ATL is going to do. They lost Jalen for season, they are floundering as a fringe PO team even in the weak East despite Trae playing his best, Jalen breaking out, Hunter breaking out, Dyson breaking out…..

Will they be buyers and try to keep eeking into playoffs? Are they going to give up what little draft picks they do have to make that push knowing Trae is due a massive extension too and they wont be able to improve team much with no picks and lots of salary on the books?

Or will they be a surprise seller and try to get their picks back from SA or at least get other picks to stock up with?

Very interesting situation there for obvious reasons.

from what I know they want to move Bogdanovic and Capela. They are also to be rumored to be interested in Ingram, but Ingram is injured. I don't really see how they could improve tbh

[RC_Drunkford]

Fine by me.



Post-Steph Warriors are going to be worse than post-MJ Bulls, someone take the keys away.
If I was Morey, I'd accept just a salary match to get rid of the worst contract in the league.

I heard a couple years back that they were "light years ahead". Well...

[Mr. Body]

spurs should absolutely stand pat. the Fox acquisition is going to really change the on-court dynamics on both ends of the court. a lot of guys who looked awkward or bad might suddenly be elevated. some guys might look worse with this fit. we should give the rest of the year to figure out how well these players gel, and then strike when the time is right in the future.

if we want to send 2-3 seconds to get a solid reserve with more than a year left on his deal, thats something id entertain

Completely. We've figured out Wembanyama's spots on the floor and preferences and now we're adding a significant piece, so we need to figure out what works. We have two very good players in Castle and Sochan with similar skill sets but lack of offense, and both good slashers/cutters. We have the significant tutelage of Chris Paul that would be nice to keep.

Fox is around a 30% usage rate, which is very high. He takes 20 shots a game, which is higher than Victor. Does he get the same number of shots? Where do they come? How does he work in the Spurs' ball-movement offense?

[Mr. Body]

I heard a couple years back that they were "light years ahead". Well...

Then they drafted James Wiseman.

[SpursGenius]

Trade Keldon Johnson for Cam Johnson.
Then we have Fox, Vassell and Cam with Castle to cover all three.

If we get a Top 5 we can grab Tre Johnson to replace Vassell in the near future.

Spurs need to go hard for Cam Johnson and Jon Collins. Use Vassell Keldon own frp in 26 and 28 to get it done. Both perfect fits at pf and sf. Both shooting over 40 percent from three and give us more height from Keldon and Devin.

[LeBowen]

Then they drafted James Wiseman.

They wanted to outsmart everyone with two timelines strategy and it backfired.
#2 pick in 2020, #7 and #14 in 2021, could've added legit help.
Not to mention that Wagner was picked with #8 in 2021.

[$pursDynasty]

Jimmy Butler is trying to get to Phx so I am not sure he would if he thought KD might be about to leave. I wouldn't go for any big move HOWEVER with the Instagram Baller hurting his achilles, I would revisit contacting the Pelicans just in case they become sellers and acquiring Herb Jones. If the Spurs are acquiring elite talent for playoff runs Jones is a Nephew level defender on a good contract. He would be more valuable than any lottery protected first round pick down the road. Jones is an elite wing defender in ways the Sochan is not. Adding Fox and Jones to this lineup and only losing picks that were lottery protected would be a major heist, all players acquired are young and ascending within the Wemby window.

[spurraider21]

I'd say we must get a reliable backup big, but I agree about not making bigger moves.
The team just doesn't function without Wemby on the floor, how are bench lineups supposed to develop and play their best game if Jeremy is the backup big?
Jeremy who gets the short end of the stick yet again.
I'm not that high on him, but we can't know his actual ceiling if he's going to play every single role except his actual one.

let bassey have his growing pains as the backup big. play mamu next to him.

[Seventyniner]

Need to have all the Johnson's now

Trade the war chest for Cam Johnson, Jalen Johnson, James Johnson, and Gradey .

[LeBowen]

Spurs need to go hard for Cam Johnson and Jon Collins. Use Vassell Keldon own frp in 26 and 28 to get it done. Both perfect fits at pf and sf. Both shooting over 40 percent from three and give us more height from Keldon and Devin.

I'm actually not sure about Cam Johnson.
Don't get me wrong, a very good starter, but 2 FRPs asking price is too high.
We can't take this season's statline seriously because he's got the ultimate green light on an awful team.
In his 4 peak seasons before this one he was at 13.5ppg on 40% 3pt FG.
Good defender, but not great.
No ballhandling skills (we don't need those, but it's about his value).
Just 4rpg despite being 6'8.

For comparison, Champ averages 13ppg on 36% 3pt when he plays more than 25 minutes this season.
I'm not saying Champ is better than Cam, he's not, I'm just saying that the difference between them isn't big enough to warrant Spurs sending FRPs to acquire Cam.

[RC_Drunkford]

There is almost no scenario where I'm trading the ATL25 pick at this point. We got Fox while preserving that, which is a major ing coup. Against ATL's best efforts, that "golden ticket" is trending to exactly where we only could have hoped in our wildest dreams. Don't it up now because we got a huge trade W under our belt.

This is going to come as a shock coming from me... but now is the time for some patience, mijitos.

I agree. Back up big for a couple 2nds and somebody like Branham is ok, not more. KD is a free agent in 26 where we have our contracts lined up to create cap space. That's where you try to get the next star. If we just draft one future All-Star, it's on. We will need good players on rookie deals to be a super team.