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    Any insights on Poetle? Haven't paid attention too much to his game recently. Wouldn't mind having him back on the cheap.

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    He's on $11M, who would you send out? We kind of don't have any of those average contracts left.
    If we're talking players we don't need, it's just $3M or less deals we can send out.
    We could get Nance with Bran and Blake. We'd then have two roster spots to fill, but at least then we'd have a backup C.

    Just as a handy reference for everyone, here is what each player allows us to take back (per Spotrac). We are still able to freely aggregate players as we see fit.

    Bran - $6.7MM
    Blake - $5.5MM
    Champ - $6.25MM
    Sochan - $11.4MM
    CP3 - $18.2MM
    Vassell - $36.9MM
    Keldon - $26.7MM
    Barnes - $25.7MM
    Mamu/Bassey/McLaughlin - $4.4MM/each

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    Any insights on Poetle? Haven't paid attention too much to his game recently. Wouldn't mind having him back on the cheap.
    He has two more years at 19,5 mil, and Toronto recently trade 1st for him. It would be FRP back and matching salaries, which means its FRP + Keldon, who does not fit to Toronto.

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    I wouldn't give up anything of value for KD I'd only use assets for another sure thing type player 28 and younger. Probably sounds crazy but I'd take BI right now before KD and I'm not a BI fan really.

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    The right piece was Fox. Durant would be the cherry on top of the sundae if you can get him cheap. Not if you overpay for a guy on the decline with a big contract. Only way I would have given up two firsts was if one of them was the fake first from Charlotte that Sacramento had to swallow to make the trade look better to casual fans.
    If we were further along and in solid playoff position, KD is the type of guy who, historically, would get bought out and then sign with us for the vet min. Obviously, we don't live in those days - which means its probably not wise to spend any assets to get him.

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    go get a backup C (Valancunias/Nurkic?) and ride out the rest of the season until we know the draft order imo

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    Though I said I'm not (edit: this should say "NOW" not "not") on Team Wait-Until-the-Offseason, a couple of guys I'd still have my ears to the ground on and try to snatch up if IND is making moves are Jarace Walker and Nesmith. Walker might have found himself on the Never Spurs list with his actions in Paris though.
    Last edited by scott; 02-03-2025 at 08:20 PM.

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    a big and long 3&D forward is needed

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    KD trade makes no sense. This team hasn’t been in the playoffs once.
    You make the next big trade to take you over the top when you think you can win it all, not when you‘re the 12th seed

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    If the Suns can't do better for the 1st they're attaching to Nurkic, I'd have said offer Johnson for it, but it doesn't work and they can't aggregate salaries to make it because they're over the second-apron.

    He's obviously past his prime and an overpaid backup, who can't finish, but his size/girth, rebounding, passing and theoretical shooting are all elements that could be useful here.

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    If the Suns can't do better for the 1st they're attaching to Nurkic, I'd have said offer Johnson for it, but it doesn't work and they can't aggregate salaries to make it because they're over the second-apron.

    He's obviously past his prime and an overpaid backup, who can't finish, but his size/girth, rebounding, passing and theoretical shooting are all elements that could be useful here.
    Nurkic is a bigger, but even more slow-footed Zach Collins.
    He's also barely above 50% around the rim, completely washed after his injury.

    And is due to make $19M next year.
    We just got rid of Collins, we really shouldn't push our luck with another garbage big.

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    we probably done till the summer, cbass playing well

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    Sharpe. He‘s young, restricted FA and puts up solid numbers. He‘s gettable from what I know. Would be a long term play. By far the best option out there under 5 million.

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    Nurkic is a bigger, but even more slow-footed Zach Collins.
    He's also barely above 50% around the rim, completely washed after his injury.

    And is due to make $19M next year.
    We just got rid of Collins, we really shouldn't push our luck with another garbage big.
    I basically said as much. But (if the trade were legal) he'd plug a hole, balance the roster and return a 1st.

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    Normally I'd be on board with getting a first for taking on Nurk... but the firsts that PHX just acquired (least favorable of UTA/CLE/MIN) aren't good enough for me to be interested. Nurk would need to be behind Bassey on the depth chart. We can just get that by finding a G-Leaguer off the garbage heap.

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    We went over the potential <$5M targets earlier today.
    Imo it's down to just Tillman, Sharpe and Eubanks.
    Theis has been really bad this season.
    Talking about the above players, what would be the cost other than a somewhat matching salary ? A player and a second ? Just a second ? I know we have an open spot available. G-leaguer or wait until the buyout market or summer ? Something for the front office to think about.

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    I basically said as much. But (if the trade were legal) he'd plug a hole, balance the roster and return a 1st.
    We'd still have a negative contract next season and cap situation wouldn't be as comfortable.

    Quick look at salaries for the next season and we're projected to be just ~$10M under the cap after Fox trade. Cap should be at ~$146M.
    That's with 11 players on the roster, without CP3.

    Fox/Wesley
    Castle/Devin/Branham
    Keldon/Champ
    Barnes/Jeremy
    Wemby/Bassey

    Lottery picks earn between $4M and $12M in their first season, so we'd probably be right around the cap if we select two players.
    Obviously there are exceptions etc, but we can't really get anyone relevant without one of non-Wesley/Branham/Bassey trio going the other way.
    And Jeremy will be up for an extension this summer. Can't overpay him without a functioning jumpshot.
    I'd offer between 80 and 90/5. Cap rises by another $15M, just enough to cover it.

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    We'd still have a negative contract next season and cap situation wouldn't be as comfortable.

    Quick look at salaries for the next season and we're projected to be just ~$10M under the cap after Fox trade. Cap should be at ~$146M.
    That's with 11 players on the roster, without CP3.

    Fox/Wesley
    Castle/Devin/Branham
    Keldon/Champ
    Barnes/Jeremy
    Wemby/Bassey

    Lottery picks earn between $4M and $12M in their first season, so we'd probably be right around the cap if we select two players.
    Obviously there are exceptions etc, but we can't really get anyone relevant without one of non-Wesley/Branham/Bassey trio going the other way.
    And Jeremy will be up for an extension this summer. Can't overpay him without a functioning jumpshot.
    I'd offer between 80 and 90/5. Cap rises by another $15M, just enough to cover it.
    Yeah, but they'd be out from the extra season of Johnson. Sure, Johnson's contract is probably more or less neutral value, but he no longer fits here.

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    Normally I'd be on board with getting a first for taking on Nurk... but the firsts that PHX just acquired (least favorable of UTA/CLE/MIN) aren't good enough for me to be interested. Nurk would need to be behind Bassey on the depth chart. We can just get that by finding a G-Leaguer off the garbage heap.
    I'd rather have one the Charlotte seconds back than a first with guaranteed money that's virtually guaranteed to be bottom 5

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    I think the Spurs are done making moves. It's like they just did a bunch of meth and now they're coming down off that high, crashing into low energy. Unless they want to prove me wrong!

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    Yeah, don't let crushing it on one trade lead you down the path of "man, this roulette game is easy!" and just keep pushing your luck... that's how you become Nico Harrison.

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    i have zero interest in nurkic. i woulda liked giving up second rounders for nick richards though. suns did very well there. only making 5 mil this year and next season as well

    if Paul wants to get moved or waived... i'd have some interest in Lonzo as a backup. i like him as a FA target regardless

    otherwise i dont think theres much reason to make a trade right now. now is the time to continue evaluating, now with a legitimate dynamic point guard able to take pressure off others.

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    Is there any chance Dereck Lively II is available now that they have AD?

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    Is there any chance Dereck Lively II is available now that they have AD?
    Gafford, more likely

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    And I don't imagine Gafford would be happy backing up Wemby. Damn.

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