Enemy of the people: Elon Musk

[Blake]

Do you think the $11,539 from USAID that Ivanka Trump used for video equipment for a White House event is a big deal? yes or no.

It's your team raising the stink about using USAID money..... unless it was used by your team.

There's a lot of stuff I don't like my tax dollar being spent on but I don't want the guy that torched billions on buying Twitter to be the decider of what's waste and what's not.

[ChumpDumper]

Look at this ing tsunami of misinformation your side generated this past week.

In the end, the right doesn't care about getting things right.

All vibes.

[TSA]

It's your team raising the stink about using USAID money..... unless it was used by your team.

There's a lot of stuff I don't like my tax dollar being spent on but I don't want the guy that torched billions on buying Twitter to be the decider of what's waste and what's not.

Do you think the $11,539 from USAID that Ivanka Trump used for video equipment for a White House event is a big deal? yes or no.

[TSA]

The conspiracy theory was created and repeated here.

Won't.

There have been too many lies from your side already and you have done all to dispel them or even acknowledge them when they are exposed as compete bull .

Maybe we can talk about individual grants once your fever breaks.

You are such a ing pussy

[ChumpDumper]

You are such a ing pussy

That I don't want to play your game using your rules and terms?

Tough .

You haven't proved to me you are arguing in good faith.

There are always things I don't want my tax money spent on -- the invasion and occupation of Iraq, for example. Now I'm supposed to lose my because we sent some money to educate children there?

You can lose your about it if you want. I ran out of outrage a couple decades ago.

You're missing the forest for the trees.

[ChumpDumper]

I mean Trump is going on and on about starting another foreign adventure in the Gaza Strip and you haven't said one word about it, TSA.

WTF?

[TSA]

That I don't want to play your game using your rules and terms?

Tough .

You haven't proved to me you are arguing in good faith.

There are always things I don't want my tax money spent on -- the invasion and occupation of Iraq, for example. Now I'm supposed to lose my because we sent some money to educate children there?

You can lose your about it if you want. I ran out of outrage a couple decades ago.

You're missing the forest for the trees.

You of all people bringing up arguing in good faith when you're caught lying constantly trying to advance your arguments

I'm not playing a game, you're just being a ing pussy. You're a ing pussy because you know those grants happened and you know they are a terrible waste of your tax dollars. You're a ing pussy because you won't even answer a hypothetical question.

[ChumpDumper]

You of all people bringing up arguing in good faith when you're caught lying constantly trying to advance your arguments

I'm not playing a game, you're just being a ing pussy. You're a ing pussy because you know those grants happened and you know they are a terrible waste of your tax dollars. You're a ing pussy because you won't even answer a hypothetical question.

Let's save some time.

I acknowledge there is waste in government spending and in USAID.

Now what?

This justifies your bull machine?

Don't be a pussy, answer the question.

[SnakeBoy]

[TSA]

— $7.9 million to teach Sri Lankan journalists how to avoid “binary-gendered language”

I'd have to line item every single grant. Which is something neither of us is going to do.

I'm not going to take the word you've been told about it. It's usually full of bull

https://www.usaspending.gov/award/AS...3A1700001_7200
Total funding $7,906,904.00

A U.S. taxpayer-funded program that aims to advance media ethics in Sri Lanka has launched an extensive campaign that teaches journalists to actively state their gender pronouns and to avoid "binary-gendered language."

The Media Empowerment for a Democratic Sri Lanka (MEND) project, which is funded by the United States Agency for International Development (USAID), has published at least four presentations related to gender and other LGBTQ issues in recent weeks.

On Thursday, MEND’s Facebook page posted a presentation led, "Gender Pronouns," Facebook, which tells Sri Lankan journalists to never "assume another person’s gender iden y or their gender pronouns" and to "apologize if you called someone by the wrong pronoun." It also instructs them to "normalize the sharing of gender pronouns by actively sharing your own" and to "avoid binary-gendered language such as ‘ladies and gentlemen.’"

"Using the correct pronoun when talking to someone is a way of showing your respect to the other person’s gender iden y," the presentation states. "Those who do not conform to the gender iden ies assigned by society and do not fit into the binary genders can face uncomfortable situations when interacting with others when they are referred to by the wrong pronoun."

"MEND posted a presentation in September about using "LGBTQ+ sensitive language in reporting," which tells Sri Lankan journalists, "Do not use phrases such as ‘born a girl,’ or ‘born a boy.’ ‘Sex assigned at birth’ is the correct phrase to use. For example: ‘Ravi is a transgender man.’ Do not say: ‘Ravi was born a woman.’"

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/us-...dered-language

I didn't know this is what my tax dollars were going to. I do not think it is a good use of my tax dollars.

Did you know this is what your tax dollars are going to? Do you think it is a good use of your tax dollars?

[ChumpDumper]

https://www.usaspending.gov/award/AS...3A1700001_7200
Total funding $7,906,904.00

A U.S. taxpayer-funded program that aims to advance media ethics in Sri Lanka has launched an extensive campaign that teaches journalists to actively state their gender pronouns and to avoid "binary-gendered language."

The Media Empowerment for a Democratic Sri Lanka (MEND) project, which is funded by the United States Agency for International Development (USAID), has published at least four presentations related to gender and other LGBTQ issues in recent weeks.

On Thursday, MEND’s Facebook page posted a presentation led, "Gender Pronouns," Facebook, which tells Sri Lankan journalists to never "assume another person’s gender iden y or their gender pronouns" and to "apologize if you called someone by the wrong pronoun." It also instructs them to "normalize the sharing of gender pronouns by actively sharing your own" and to "avoid binary-gendered language such as ‘ladies and gentlemen.’"

"Using the correct pronoun when talking to someone is a way of showing your respect to the other person’s gender iden y," the presentation states. "Those who do not conform to the gender iden ies assigned by society and do not fit into the binary genders can face uncomfortable situations when interacting with others when they are referred to by the wrong pronoun."

"MEND posted a presentation in September about using "LGBTQ+ sensitive language in reporting," which tells Sri Lankan journalists, "Do not use phrases such as ‘born a girl,’ or ‘born a boy.’ ‘Sex assigned at birth’ is the correct phrase to use. For example: ‘Ravi is a transgender man.’ Do not say: ‘Ravi was born a woman.’"

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/us-...dered-language

I didn't know this is what my tax dollars were going to. I do not think it is a good use of my tax dollars.

Did you know this is what your tax dollars are going to? Do you think it is a good use of your tax dollars?

Pass a budget. That's what Congress is for.

[TSA]

— $20 million for a new Sesame Street show in Iraq

I'd have to line item every single grant. Which is something neither of us is going to do.

I'm not going to take the word you've been told about it. It's usually full of bull

https://www.usaspending.gov/award/AS...21CA00001_7200

https://www.highergov.com/grant/72026721CA00001/

13 million for Ahlan Simsim (Sesame Street in Iraq)

"In Iraq, we’re working with USAID to extend Ahlan Simsim’s reach with culturally tailored educational media for young children and tools for caregivers and teachers to promote understanding, equity, and tolerance across divides."
https://sesameworkshop.org/our-work/...-north-africa/

I didn't know this is what my tax dollars were going to. I do not think it is a good use of my tax dollars.

Did you know this is what your tax dollars are going to? Do you think it is a good use of your tax dollars?

[TSA]

Pass a budget. That's what Congress is for.

Dodge #1

I didn't know this is what my tax dollars were going to. I do not think it is a good use of my tax dollars.

Did you know this is what your tax dollars are going to? Do you think it is a good use of your tax dollars?

[TSA]

$6 million to “transform digital spaces to reflect feminist democratic principles”

I'd have to line item every single grant. Which is something neither of us is going to do.

I'm not going to take the word you've been told about it. It's usually full of bull

https://www.usaspending.gov/award/AS...22LA00002_7200
6 million

https://www.irex.org/files/transform_fact_sheet.pdf

I didn't know this is what my tax dollars were going to. I do not think it is a good use of my tax dollars.

Did you know this is what your tax dollars are going to? Do you think it is a good use of your tax dollars?

[Yonivore]

Look at this ing tsunami of misinformation your side generated this past week.

In the end, the right doesn't care about getting things right.

All vibes.

What misinformation, Chump?

A few fundamental questions for you to answer—if you’re capable of rational thought:

1. Does the President have the power to administer agencies within the executive branch? My answer: Yes. Yours?
2. Does the President have the power to inspect and audit agencies within the executive branch? My answer: Yes. Yours?
3. Does the President have the power to remove all executive branch employees he’s ousted so far? My answer: Yes—and before you embarrass yourself, there are only two exceptions to the President's removal power (see Seila Law v. CFPB), neither of which applies here. Your answer?
4. Does the President have the power to rescind Executive Orders from previous administrations? My answer: Yes, unless Congress codified them into law. Yours?
5. Does the President have the power to hire whomever he chooses for positions not subject to the advice and consent provision of the Cons ution? My answer: Yes. Yours?

If you can’t bring yourself to answer Yes to these fundamental facts, then arguing with you is about as productive as debating a parrot trained to screech "Orange Man Bad!"

I waste far too much time sourcing and citing responses to you, only for you to reply with your usual mix of smug deflections and brainless tribal slogans. You never rebut. You never engage. You never discuss. You just sling poo like an enraged zoo monkey whenever faced with facts that don't fit your script.

Your entire rhetorical arsenal consists of mocking sources instead of refuting them, building strawman arguments and torching them like a drunk arsonist, and desperately pivoting to unrelated nonsense, ("but Ivanka got $100 million from daddy").

You're not here to argue in good faith, Chump. You’re here to parrot whatever half-baked partisan talking points you absorbed from your last doomscroll session.

It’s why I turned you off before, and it’s why I’m doing it again. Engaging with you is like debating a malfunctioning chatbot programmed to repeat "Trump bad, Musk evil, LOL your sources" on an infinite loop.

You can't even admit that it’s a good thing the massive corruption, abuse, and mismanagement at USAID is being exposed.
You can't even acknowledge that American hostages have been recovered from Israel and Venezuela.
You can't even recognize that illegal immigration has been almost eliminated in under three weeks.

Because for you, winning the argument matters more than acknowledging reality. And that’s exactly why you sit in this forum, lurking like a miserable, embittered troll, finding validation in tearing down others instead of contributing anything of substance.

I only came back here because a serious illness in my family gave me time to engage again. That’s resolved now, and unlike you, I have better things to do than feed a deluded internet mosquito whose entire personality is built on bad-faith bickering.

So congratulations, Chump—you “won.” You’ve successfully annoyed yet another rational person out of this pathetic echo chamber of a forum. I’ll still drop my takes, but I won’t be wasting another second engaging with you directly. You’re back on the ignore list, where you belong.

Now go ahead—get your last word in. That’s all you have left.

[TSA]

"you didn't care until you were told to care" is such a weak attempt.

Did you already know about all of this and not care because you think it's money well spent?

— $7.9 million to teach Sri Lankan journalists how to avoid “binary-gendered language”

— $20 million for a new Sesame Street show in Iraq

— $4.5+ million to “combat disinformation” in Kazakhstan

— $1.5 million for “art for inclusion of people with disabilities”

— $2 million for sex changes and “LGBT activism” in Guatemala

— $6 million to “transform digital spaces to reflect feminist democratic principles”

— $2.1 million to help the BBC “value the diversity of Libyan society”

— $10 million worth of USAID-funded meals, which went to an al Qaeda-linked terrorist group

— $25 million for Deloitte to promote “green transportation” in the country of Georgia

— $6 million for tourism in Egypt

— $2.5 million to promote “inclusion” in Vietnam

— $16.8 million for a SEPARATE “inclusion” group in Vietnam

— ~$5 million to EcoHealth Alliance, one of the key NGOs funding bat virus research at the Wuhan lab

— $20 million for a group related to a key player in the Russiagate impeachment hoax

— $1.1 million to an Armenian “LGBT group”

— $1.2 million to help the African Methodist Episcopal Church Service and Development Agency in Washington, D.C., build “a state-of-the-art 440 seat auditorium”

— $1.3 million to Arab and Jewish photographers

— $1.5 million to promote “LGBT advocacy” in Jamaica

— $1.5 million to “rebuild” the Cuban media ecosystem

— $2 million to promote “LGBT equality through entrepreneurship” in Latin America

— $500K to solve sectarian violence in Israel (just ten days before the Hamas October 7 attack)

— $2.3 million for “artisanal and small scale gold mining” in the Amazon

— $3.9 million for “LGBT causes” in the western Balkans

— $5.5 million for LGBT activism in Uganda

— $6 million for advancing LGBT issues in “priority countries around the world”

— $6.3 million for men who have sex with men in South Africa

— $8.3 million for “USAID Education: Equity and Inclusion”

Or did you just find out like the rest of us once people started digging into USAID a few days ago?

These are even better

$15 million for condoms to the Taliban through USAID.

$446,700 to promote the expansion of atheism in Nepal through the State Department.

$1 million to boost French-speaking LGBTQ groups in West and Central Africa through the State Department.

$14 million in cash vouchers for migrants at the southern border through the State Department.

$20,600 for a drag show in Ecuador through the State Department.

$47,020 for a transgender opera in Colombia through the State Department.

$32,000 for an LGBTQ-centered comic book in Peru through the State Department.

$55,750 for a climate change presentation warning about the impact of climate change in Argentina to be led by female and LGBT journalists through the StateDepartment.

$3,315,446 for “being LGBTQ in the Caribbean” through USAID.

$7,071.58 for a BIPOC speaker series in Canada through the State Department.

$80,000 for an LGBTQ community center in Bratislava, Slovakia through the State Department.

$3.2 million to help Tunisian migrants readjust to life in Tunisia after deportation through the State Department.

$16,500 to foster a “united and equal -feminist discourse in Albanian society” through the State Department.

$10,000 to pressure Lithuanian corporations to promote “DEI values” through the State Department.

$8,000 to promote DEI among LGBTQ groups in Cyprus through the State Department.

$1.5 million to promote job opportunities for LGBTQ individuals in Serbia through USAID.

$70,884 to create a U.S.-Irish musical to promote DEI in Ireland through the State Department.

$39,652 to host seminars at the Edinburgh International Book Festival on gender iden y and racial equality through the State Department.

$2.5 million to build electric vehicle charging stations in Vietnam’s largest cities through USAID.

$425,622 to help Indonesian coffee companies become more climate and gender friendly through USAID.

https://foreignaffairs.house.gov/pre...rtment-grants/

[TSA]

What misinformation, Chump?

A few fundamental questions for you to answer—if you’re capable of rational thought:

1. Does the President have the power to administer agencies within the executive branch? My answer: Yes. Yours?
2. Does the President have the power to inspect and audit agencies within the executive branch? My answer: Yes. Yours?
3. Does the President have the power to remove all executive branch employees he’s ousted so far? My answer: Yes—and before you embarrass yourself, there are only two exceptions to the President's removal power (see Seila Law v. CFPB), neither of which applies here. Your answer?
4. Does the President have the power to rescind Executive Orders from previous administrations? My answer: Yes, unless Congress codified them into law. Yours?
5. Does the President have the power to hire whomever he chooses for positions not subject to the advice and consent provision of the Cons ution? My answer: Yes. Yours?

If you can’t bring yourself to answer Yes to these fundamental facts, then arguing with you is about as productive as debating a parrot trained to screech "Orange Man Bad!"

I waste far too much time sourcing and citing responses to you, only for you to reply with your usual mix of smug deflections and brainless tribal slogans. You never rebut. You never engage. You never discuss. You just sling poo like an enraged zoo monkey whenever faced with facts that don't fit your script.

Your entire rhetorical arsenal consists of mocking sources instead of refuting them, building strawman arguments and torching them like a drunk arsonist, and desperately pivoting to unrelated nonsense, ("but Ivanka got $100 million from daddy").

You're not here to argue in good faith, Chump. You’re here to parrot whatever half-baked partisan talking points you absorbed from your last doomscroll session.

It’s why I turned you off before, and it’s why I’m doing it again. Engaging with you is like debating a malfunctioning chatbot programmed to repeat "Trump bad, Musk evil, LOL your sources" on an infinite loop.

You can't even admit that it’s a good thing the massive corruption, abuse, and mismanagement at USAID is being exposed.
You can't even acknowledge that American hostages have been recovered from Israel and Venezuela.
You can't even recognize that illegal immigration has been almost eliminated in under three weeks.

Because for you, winning the argument matters more than acknowledging reality. And that’s exactly why you sit in this forum, lurking like a miserable, embittered troll, finding validation in tearing down others instead of contributing anything of substance.

I only came back here because a serious illness in my family gave me time to engage again. That’s resolved now, and unlike you, I have better things to do than feed a deluded internet mosquito whose entire personality is built on bad-faith bickering.

So congratulations, Chump—you “won.” You’ve successfully annoyed yet another rational person out of this pathetic echo chamber of a forum. I’ll still drop my takes, but I won’t be wasting another second engaging with you directly. You’re back on the ignore list, where you belong.

Now go ahead—get your last word in. That’s all you have left.

I'm in the same boat as you and think I'm about done with him, again. I let him out of his time out after a year of ignoring thinking he might have changed his ways but it's just the same old lies and deception he's always relied on.

[Yonivore]

I'm in the same boat as you and think I'm about done with him, again. I let him out of his time out after a year of ignoring thinking he might have changed his ways but it's just the same old lies and deception he's always relied on.

I'm not sure we can claim what he does is lies and deception, he rarely (if ever) sources what he says so one can determine its veracity. He just says it. Then, when you take the time to look into his claim (i.e. $100 million to Ivanka) you find its a total misrepresentation of the truth.

He's just a troll who gets his information from a very limited set of sources (probably supported by USAID, as we're finding out) and can't bring himself to actually investigate opposing views because he's afraid it'll challenge his world view.

[Blake]

Do you think the $11,539 from USAID that Ivanka Trump used for video equipment for a White House event is a big deal? yes or no.

You never know how to not move the goalposts. Sure it's a big deal because it came from USAID and you guys said she never touched it.

Back to the main point:

If USAID is a waste, great I'm fine with getting rid of it. I'm not fine with a radical partisan right wing group being the ones to determine what's waste and what's not.

dO yOu unDerStanD

[Yonivore]

You never know how to not move the goalposts. Sure it's a big deal because it came from USAID and you guys said she never touched it.

Back to the main point:

If USAID is a waste, great I'm fine with getting rid of it. I'm not fine with a radical partisan right wing group being the ones to determine what's waste and what's not.

dO yOu unDerStanD

I understand. You want the audit to be partisan. Well, elections have consequences, Blake.

Do you disagree with any of the findings of DOGE, so far, in their audit and exposure of malfeasance at USAID? Anything? Anything at all?

[Blake]

I understand. You want the audit to be partisan. Well, elections have consequences, Blake.

Bipartisan. Elections shouldn't result in burning up our system of checks and balances.

Do you disagree with any of the findings of DOGE, so far, in their audit and exposure of malfeasance at USAID? Anything? Anything at all?

I'm sure some will be worthless in my opinion but it's been so much so fast that nobody, including you nuts, has had any time to dig out the details below the surface of each of these programs.

[Winehole23]

curious if true, this is from Dave Levitan's social media account, haven't been able to find corroboration online

El0n continues to salt federal agencies with his own cronies

NEW: Apparently the Dept of Energy has replaced its Chief Information Officer with a "network engineer from SpaceX" who has maybe run a service desk but has no other IT leadership experience, per a source with knowledge.

The DOE, among other things, oversees all nuclear security. So that's cool.

[ChumpDumper]

https://www.usaspending.gov/award/AS...21CA00001_7200

https://www.highergov.com/grant/72026721CA00001/

13 million for Ahlan Simsim (Sesame Street in Iraq)

"In Iraq, we’re working with USAID to extend Ahlan Simsim’s reach with culturally tailored educational media for young children and tools for caregivers and teachers to promote understanding, equity, and tolerance across divides."
https://sesameworkshop.org/our-work/...-north-africa/

I didn't know this is what my tax dollars were going to. I do not think it is a good use of my tax dollars.

Did you know this is what your tax dollars are going to? Do you think it is a good use of your tax dollars?

After we spent trillions completely destroying their country for a baldfaced lie?

We should probably be doing more tbh.

Thanks for bringing this up.

[ChumpDumper]

What misinformation, Chump?

A few fundamental questions for you to answer—if you’re capable of rational thought:

1. Does the President have the power to administer agencies within the executive branch? My answer: Yes. Yours?
2. Does the President have the power to inspect and audit agencies within the executive branch? My answer: Yes. Yours?
3. Does the President have the power to remove all executive branch employees he’s ousted so far? My answer: Yes—and before you embarrass yourself, there are only two exceptions to the President's removal power (see Seila Law v. CFPB), neither of which applies here. Your answer?
4. Does the President have the power to rescind Executive Orders from previous administrations? My answer: Yes, unless Congress codified them into law. Yours?
5. Does the President have the power to hire whomever he chooses for positions not subject to the advice and consent provision of the Cons ution? My answer: Yes. Yours?

If you can’t bring yourself to answer Yes to these fundamental facts, then arguing with you is about as productive as debating a parrot trained to screech "Orange Man Bad!"

I waste far too much time sourcing and citing responses to you, only for you to reply with your usual mix of smug deflections and brainless tribal slogans. You never rebut. You never engage. You never discuss. You just sling poo like an enraged zoo monkey whenever faced with facts that don't fit your script.

Your entire rhetorical arsenal consists of mocking sources instead of refuting them, building strawman arguments and torching them like a drunk arsonist, and desperately pivoting to unrelated nonsense, ("but Ivanka got $100 million from daddy").

You're not here to argue in good faith, Chump. You’re here to parrot whatever half-baked partisan talking points you absorbed from your last doomscroll session.

It’s why I turned you off before, and it’s why I’m doing it again. Engaging with you is like debating a malfunctioning chatbot programmed to repeat "Trump bad, Musk evil, LOL your sources" on an infinite loop.

You can't even admit that it’s a good thing the massive corruption, abuse, and mismanagement at USAID is being exposed.
You can't even acknowledge that American hostages have been recovered from Israel and Venezuela.
You can't even recognize that illegal immigration has been almost eliminated in under three weeks.

Because for you, winning the argument matters more than acknowledging reality. And that’s exactly why you sit in this forum, lurking like a miserable, embittered troll, finding validation in tearing down others instead of contributing anything of substance.

I only came back here because a serious illness in my family gave me time to engage again. That’s resolved now, and unlike you, I have better things to do than feed a deluded internet mosquito whose entire personality is built on bad-faith bickering.

So congratulations, Chump—you “won.” You’ve successfully annoyed yet another rational person out of this pathetic echo chamber of a forum. I’ll still drop my takes, but I won’t be wasting another second engaging with you directly. You’re back on the ignore list, where you belong.

Now go ahead—get your last word in. That’s all you have left.

You made up a conspiracy theory that Politico was paid by the government to publish leaks and that the BBC was bought and paid for because of a donation to their charity.

This is YOU personally made up.

You can't even see it because it's your natural state.

You want to be agitated by conservative media because you're bored with your own life.

You need a hero for whatever psychological reason and it's daddeh Trump, who will always be perfect and blameless.

You're too ashamed to state your new improved opinion of W after you spent literal decades saying he was going up on Mount Rushmore for his preemptive war in Iraq.

Why should anyone take you seriously when this is the way you are?

You're a bad joke.

[Winehole23]

“The deleted profile associated with [Marko] Elez, who was embedded in the Treasury Department to carry out efficiency measures, advocated repealing the Civil Rights Act and backed a ‘eugenic immigration policy’ in the weeks before President Trump was inaugurated.”

“‘You could not pay me to marry outside of my ethnicity,’ the account wrote on X in September, according to a Wall Street Journal review of archived posts. ‘Normalize Indian hate,’ the account wrote the same month.”