Spurs trade ideas

[LeBowen]

Kyrie is opting out, to sign extension. Dallas will pay him anything, if Luca trade was not about money

A couple of days ago they asked him about Luka trade and he said he's still grieving.
Who knows what's going on in there, there will surely be big moves in the summer.
Washington is the player I really like, I don't think he will like playing SF since AD went there to play PF.

[scott]

BKN is the ONLY team who projects to have cap space this summer, according to Keith Smith on the Front Office Show. He's predicting we'll have a wild summer filled with trades as a result. I'm here for it!

One thing that potentially works in our favor - *I think* MEM's moves yesterday gives them room to reneg-and-extend JJJ if he fails to make All NBA *if* they renounce Aldama's cap hold. That would make Santi more available, and I'm here for it (if JJJ makes All-NBA, then they'll be able to resign Santi and just extend JJJ with his bird rights, so we should be rooting against that).

With all that said, something is going to have to give this summer for the Spurs. We'll see how the guys do to close out the year, but moving some combination Vassell/Johnson/Barnes will be the key to unlocking roster upgrades outside of the draft and exceptions this offseason (I don't want to see us move off Black Flacon, he's been great for us this year)

[Seventyniner]

BKN is the ONLY team who projects to have cap space this summer, according to Keith Smith on the Front Office Show. He's predicting we'll have a wild summer filled with trades as a result. I'm here for it!

One thing that potentially works in our favor - *I think* MEM's moves yesterday gives them room to reneg-and-extend JJJ if he fails to make All NBA *if* they renounce Aldama's cap hold. That would make Santi more available, and I'm here for it (if JJJ makes All-NBA, then they'll be able to resign Santi and just extend JJJ with his bird rights, so we should be rooting against that).

With all that said, something is going to have to give this summer for the Spurs. We'll see how the guys do to close out the year, but moving some combination Vassell/Johnson/Barnes will be the key to unlocking roster upgrades outside of the draft and exceptions this offseason (I don't want to see us move off Black Flacon, he's been great for us this year)

Makes sense. Trades will have to fill the void of fewer free agent signings due to lack of teams with cap space.

Wesley and Branham will be on expiring contracts this summer. They could be useful additions to those three guys to aggregate in trades.

[Mal]

A couple of days ago they asked him about Luka trade and he said he's still grieving.
Who knows what's going on in there, there will surely be big moves in the summer.
Washington is the player I really like, I don't think he will like playing SF since AD went there to play PF.

They will offer him 260 mil / 5 or more, which noone else match in free market. No way he walks from that, having already won a ring

[LeBowen]

They will offer him 260 mil / 5 or more, which noone else match in free market. No way he walks from that, having already won a ring

You think a team that didn't want to pay Luka supermax will offer 33 year old Kyrie a 5 year deal?

One thing that potentially works in our favor - *I think* MEM's moves yesterday gives them room to reneg-and-extend JJJ if he fails to make All NBA *if* they renounce Aldama's cap hold. That would make Santi more available, and I'm here for it (if JJJ makes All-NBA, then they'll be able to resign Santi and just extend JJJ with his bird rights, so we should be rooting against that).

Grizzlies will probably finish the season at #2, no way their best player doesn't make all-NBA.

[scott]

Grizzlies will probably finish the season at #2, no way their best player doesn't make all-NBA.

I agree, and at that point our (probably already slim) chances of getting Santi as a FA go way down (I say slim because we would have to do a lot of maneuvering to get cap space in the first place). JJJ will deserve it, but I hope he gets snubbed for selfish reasons. Our improvements this summer are most likely going to need to come through trades or the draft.

[exstatic]

BKN is the ONLY team who projects to have cap space this summer, according to Keith Smith on the Front Office Show. He's predicting we'll have a wild summer filled with trades as a result. I'm here for it!

One thing that potentially works in our favor - *I think* MEM's moves yesterday gives them room to reneg-and-extend JJJ if he fails to make All NBA *if* they renounce Aldama's cap hold. That would make Santi more available, and I'm here for it (if JJJ makes All-NBA, then they'll be able to resign Santi and just extend JJJ with his bird rights, so we should be rooting against that).

With all that said, something is going to have to give this summer for the Spurs. We'll see how the guys do to close out the year, but moving some combination Vassell/Johnson/Barnes will be the key to unlocking roster upgrades outside of the draft and exceptions this offseason (I don't want to see us move off Black Flacon, he's been great for us this year)

Working against that is that 2024 selections Luka and Kawhi are all ineligible due to games played <65. One of those spots will likely be Wemby,but that still leaves an opening for JJJ. Past selections a Jaylen Brown and Spida Mitc could also be in the mix.

[Mal]

You think a team that didn't want to pay Luka supermax will offer 33 year old Kyrie a 5 year deal?

We will know very soon if Harrison is ign moron, or jewish owner are cheap

[LeBowen]

Our improvements this summer are most likely going to need to come through trades or the draft.

That's why I'm switching my priorities to PJ Washington.
Naz is a fan favorite in Minnesota, I doubt he leaves unless they somehow up his extension.
Will be interesting to see if John Collins takes his option, would be nice to convince him to sign a ~80/4 here.

Considering how much PATFO love Devin and Jeremy, I doubt we'll see many changes.
If CP3 stays another year, it's going to be just a couple of new players.

Fox/CP3
Castle/Devin
?/Champ
Barnes/Jeremy
Wemby/?

Focus on getting a legit starting forward, preferably someone in 6'9-6'11 range and get a reliable backup for Wemby.
I don't think we should draft a big unless it's someone ready to contribute right away.
Get the best wing available or trade the pick to get a high end wing starter.
Jeremy gets an extension and that would be about it.

[z0sa]

BKN is the ONLY team who projects to have cap space this summer, according to Keith Smith on the Front Office Show. He's predicting we'll have a wild summer filled with trades as a result. I'm here for it!

One thing that potentially works in our favor - *I think* MEM's moves yesterday gives them room to reneg-and-extend JJJ if he fails to make All NBA *if* they renounce Aldama's cap hold. That would make Santi more available, and I'm here for it (if JJJ makes All-NBA, then they'll be able to resign Santi and just extend JJJ with his bird rights, so we should be rooting against that).

With all that said, something is going to have to give this summer for the Spurs. We'll see how the guys do to close out the year, but moving some combination Vassell/Johnson/Barnes will be the key to unlocking roster upgrades outside of the draft and exceptions this offseason (I don't want to see us move off Black Flacon, he's been great for us this year)

I'm not big on the rumor mill, but judging from Keldon's reactions before the trade deadline and some of the stuff I saw on X/here, I think he's out.

Edit: to add, CP3's body language and even comms have been all over Keldon in at least a dozen games this year for defensive mishaps. It's like the Castle Paul exchange only Keldon just shrugs it off with a look like "nah" and still gets playing time. I know the coaching staff is often dumb, but I think BWright has his finger on the pulse of things.

[exstatic]

I'm not big on the rumor mill, but judging from Keldon's reactions before the trade deadline and some of the stuff I saw on X/here, I think he's out.

Heard a rumor that the Fox trade was originally involving the Pelicans, and Keldon would have been outgoing, but DJ tore his achilles.

[scott]

I'm not big on the rumor mill, but judging from Keldon's reactions before the trade deadline and some of the stuff I saw on X/here, I think he's out.

Edit: to add, CP3's body language and even comms have been all over Keldon in at least a dozen games this year for defensive mishaps. It's like the Castle Paul exchange only Keldon just shrugs it off with a look like "nah" and still gets playing time. I know the coaching staff is often dumb, but I think BWright has his finger on the pulse of things.

It's never too late to do the right thing.

[RC_Drunkford]

I'm not big on the rumor mill, but judging from Keldon's reactions before the trade deadline and some of the stuff I saw on X/here, I think he's out.

Edit: to add, CP3's body language and even comms have been all over Keldon in at least a dozen games this year for defensive mishaps. It's like the Castle Paul exchange only Keldon just shrugs it off with a look like "nah" and still gets playing time. I know the coaching staff is often dumb, but I think BWright has his finger on the pulse of things.

Mitch has chewed him out for defensive lapses as well plenty of times. He‘s likely the odd man out.

[tonight...you]

Wright should pay attention to what's going on in Dallas, this situation surely can't have a happy ending.
Hopefully Kyrie does his thing and puts the last nail in that roster's coffin.



Kyrie can opt out, but we don't care about him.
If everything crumbles, we should be all over both Gafford and Washington.
Both would be a perfect fit, Mavs wouldn't be able to ask for much since they will be on expiring contracts and Harrison is obviously an idiot.

Honestly Harrison has made amazing decisions as their GM for years.
He's not an idiot
Something else was at work on the Luka/AD trade.

[rjv]

still think the Pacers will be shopping Turner.

[scott]

still think the Pacers will be shopping Turner.

He'll be a free agent, but S&T might be the only way forward for a lot of teams this summer

[exstatic]

still think the Pacers will be shopping Turner.

There was a tweet showing a picture of Turner taking a jumper over Tim, and the caption was “Myles Turner has survived this many trade deadline rumors”

[TD 21]

Mentioned this elsewhere a few days ago . . .

Vassell, Barnes, two 1sts (have to see where '25 1sts land before determining which) for Durant.

Something based around Vassell for Porter Jr.

Nuggets would likely want Barnes as well, in part so they could send back Nnaji's relative albatross and Saric.

Spurs could counter with just adding Champagnie to the principle's.

[TD 21]

If the rumor about the Spurs inquiring about Carter Jr. and Bitadze with the Magic was true, I wonder if Vassell was the intent.

Despite the Magic's need for a combo guard who can both create and shoot, they seem intent on avoiding small or smallish guards (White, McCollum, Simons, Sexton) at all cost and are even more conservative than the Spurs, so Vassell for Carter Jr. and Anthony could entice them.

Carter Jr. is injury prone and hasn't looked himself this season (sound familiar?), but at his best would be more or less the ideal second big for this team.

[scott]

Mentioned this elsewhere a few days ago . . .

Vassell, Barnes, two 1sts (have to see where '25 1sts land before determining which) for Durant.

Something based around Vassell for Porter Jr.

Nuggets would likely want Barnes as well, in part so they could send back Nnaji's relative albatross and Saric.

Spurs could counter with just adding Champagnie to the principle's.

I don't see the Spurs adding a high priced guy like Durant or MPJ. Their Big 3 is clearly Wemby/Fox/Castle and I expect them to target complementary pieces. Vassell's contract (likewise, MPJ's) would be fine for a 3rd option, but it's close to 50% over what you should be paying for your 4th option or 6th man (whichever Devin slots to become if not moved).

If the rumor about the Spurs inquiring about Carter Jr. and Bitadze with the Magic was true, I wonder if Vassell was the intent.

Despite the Magic's need for a combo guard who can both create and shoot, they seem intent on avoiding small or smallish guards (White, McCollum, Simons, Sexton) at all cost and are even more conservative than the Spurs, so Vassell for Carter Jr. and Anthony could entice them.

Carter Jr. is injury prone and hasn't looked himself this season (sound familiar?), but at his best would be more or less the ideal second big for this team.

Where have you seen these rumors?

[TD 21]

Wembanyama and Castle won't be high priced for another two and three seasons respectively and they've got Vassell on the books as is.

It's not like they're going to salary dump him, so it's either pay him (and Barnes) that money or consolidate it into one player.

I believe it came from Evan Towns on X. Not saying he's a credible source, but the notion doesn't sound far fetched.

[scott]

Wembanyama and Castle won't be high priced for another two and three seasons respectively and they've got Vassell on the books as is.

It's not like they're going to salary dump him, so it's either pay him (and Barnes) that money or consolidate it into one player.

Those aren't the only two options though. I think more likely the Spurs try to turn Vassell (and maybe Barnes, but Barnes is more accurately priced for his current role) into a player or players who are more appropriate for a 4th/5th option or bench role, or (if they can) picks they can use in another way. I'd be willing to wager that the Spurs will not be consolidating Vassell and Barnes or Keldon into a single $40MM+ player.

I believe it came from Evan Towns on X. Not saying he's a credible source, but the notion doesn't sound far fetched.

He's not.

[TD 21]

Of course it's more likely they retain Barnes and either do likewise with Vassell or try to turn him into something like Carter Jr. and Anthony.

These are ideas, not predictions. Although I do suspect it's more likely than not that one of Vassell or Johnson is traded and that salary slot is turned into a low end starting forward/big.

[spurraider21]

any deal where barnes' salary works, keldon's would work as well

[scott]

Of course it's more likely they retain Barnes and either do likewise with Vassell or try to turn him into something like Carter Jr. and Anthony.

These are ideas, not predictions. Although I do suspect it's more likely than not that one of Vassell or Johnson is traded and that salary slot is turned into a low end starting forward/big.

I hear ya... not trying to on your ideas or say they aren't worth of discussion, or claim they are your predictions... just sharing that I don't see the Spurs going that direction.

I could see a Carter Jr. and Anthony kind of move in terms of that tier of player. If Patrick Williams was a better player (as in, worthy of his contract) then something like him and Coby White could be the kind of move that would make sense. (Though I'm not advocating for this or actually suggesting it, because Williams is atrocious. But those are the kinds of players I think would make a lot of sense. Williams' archetype as a starting wing and Coby as a 6th man/3rd guard behind Fox and Castle would make a lot of sense).