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    That loss is the one that keeps you out of the top 10. It's a dreadful loss. Again, Mitch just does not change his rotation. The spurs rebounding is awful. Hornets had TJ Gibson out there. Perfect time to play Mamu. But we don't see it.

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    dammit

    Hornets announcer is entertaining though

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    ”Loose balls and boards right now, loose balls and boards.. "

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    This is all I’m saying. Castle was awesome. Wemby is getting better and better still plenty of season left. One 6-7 game win streak or winning 7 of 10 and they are in a playoff spot.
    Agreed I have been pretty high on Castle for a while and was adamant that the Spurs had to find a way to keep him instead of trading him for Fox. When the Fox trade went down, and Castle wasn't traded, I was ecstatic. I definitely believe Castle will be an all-star in a few years once he can consistently hit his jump shot and has an outside chance of possibly being superstar one day.

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    dammit

    Hornets announcer is entertaining though
    I was at the game. It sucked to lose but it was a very fun game to watch live in person.

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    those were embarassing two games ... we can be happy to have escaped with one win on the RRT so far

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    dammit

    Hornets announcer is entertaining though
    Del Curry is one of them.

    They are great

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    That loss is the one that keeps you out of the top 10. It's a dreadful loss. Again, Mitch just does not change his rotation. The spurs rebounding is awful. Hornets had TJ Gibson out there. Perfect time to play Mamu. But we don't see it.
    I was hoping Mamu instead of Keldon will be on the floor, but Mitch isnt into that.

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    @ comparing these losers who never been to the playoffs in a regular
    season game against the Hornets bench to the 2013 finals with the original Big 3
    Who's comparing, tbh? I merely brought a familiar example to the table to explain a widely-known phenomena.

    Reading comp, man. It's the .

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    I respect Sugus overall but did he really just compare this team to a championship team with championship level players lol.
    No. Why is it so hard for people to read what is on the screen, instead of what they want to read? Jesus, it's tiresome debate.

    Again, "painfully close loss that lights a fire under team's ass" is not Spurs or even NBA-specific.

    Not saying they'll be world-beaters, but that was surely a blood-raising loss. Nothing more.

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    You can literally copy and paste the bolded after every Spurs loss this season. It's rinse and repeat for the silver and black. You'd think after 40+ games. they would try something different. I know the coaching staff will get hammered for tonight's loss but the majority of players on this roster are either past their prime or low IQ scrubs. There isn't a coach in the world that can transform this team into a winner.
    Well, they did just trade for a major star player that they have to work to integrate into the team. So there's that in terms of "trying something different".

    But I don't disagree otherwise; some players clearly stick out every time I watch the team. We'll see what happens in the off-season. I doubt anyone can complain about what happened at the trade deadline...

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    I'm glad you responded to that as I wouldn't know what to say to that take. Completely difference ballgame/universe we're looking at here with that take. You can light all the fires under the players asses you want, doesn't mean some of the players on this team can extinguish them.
    Why do people keep thinking I literally said "yeah the Spurs are gonna play like 2014 Spurs from now on!!"? Jesus, reading comp, seriously...

    Yeah, some of the players like Keldon are beyond helping themselves. But some are not.... And those are the ones you want having fires lit under them.

    Anyhow, if nobody sees Fox's clutch plays and almost-game-winning performance, on his second game integrating into a team deathly known for 4th quarter collapses through the season, that suddenly begins to do the opposite - claw back from deficits and make it a ball game in the clutch -, as a notable positive, then yeah, different universes we're watching here, I guess.

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    Who's comparing, tbh? I merely brought a familiar example to the table to explain a widely-known phenomena.

    Reading comp, man. It's the .
    it's not a familiar example at all, which is exactly the point. Just admit it was stupid and get over it.

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    This is all I’m saying. Castle was awesome. Wemby is getting better and better still plenty of season left. One 6-7 game win streak or winning 7 of 10 and they are in a playoff spot.
    Insane that the Lakers fan has the level head in the thread how far things have fallen

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    it's not a familiar example at all, which is exactly the point. Just admit it was stupid and get over it.
    How is one of the most important moments in Spurs fandom not a familiar example in a Spurs forum, about a Spurs game, tbh?

    Seems to me like you're still missing my point, and it wasn't a very deep one. Go back, read the posts, it's no big deal.

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    I'm watching the highlights again and keep thinking the exact same thing. How are people so down and about after that ending???

    The Spurs have been notorious for clutch-time collapses for the entire season, and despite everyone's disbelief in their trading chops, have just gone and brought in a major star player, Mr Clutch Player award-winner, and the guy has clearly demonstrated his value in only his first 2 games here. Came a literal second short of winning us a game we had no business being in.

    I get the heartbreak of a tough loss in the moment, but look it through the morning after.... That was a really encouraging loss. I can't wait to see the team after an off-season to gel, and jettison the anchor weights on the team. We now have at least 3 surefire building blocks to lean on. Last season we only had the 1.

    Look at the bigger picture, fellas. Killakobe is right -- we have a bright future ahead, and it's not too late to take your head off your ass and enjoy the bumpy ride towards the mountaintop.

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    I'm watching the highlights again and keep thinking the exact same thing. How are people so down and about after that ending???

    The Spurs have been notorious for clutch-time collapses for the entire season, and despite everyone's disbelief in their trading chops, have just gone and brought in a major star player, Mr Clutch Player award-winner, and the guy has clearly demonstrated his value in only his first 2 games here. Came a literal second short of winning us a game we had no business being in.

    I get the heartbreak of a tough loss in the moment, but look it through the morning after.... That was a really encouraging loss. I can't wait to see the team after an off-season to gel, and jettison the anchor weights on the team. We now have at least 3 surefire building blocks to lean on. Last season we only had the 1.

    Look at the bigger picture, fellas. Killakobe is right -- we have a bright future ahead, and it's not too late to take your head off your ass and enjoy the bumpy ride towards the mountaintop.
    Brotha, nobody is down about the ending.

    They're down because they had no business being in that situation against a 12 win tanking team missing half of their roster.

    You're making it sound like they lost Game 7 to the '96 Bulls when, in reality, they had to claw their way back against the f'n Charlotte Hornets in February

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    Brotha, nobody is down about the ending.

    They're down because they had no business being in that situation against a 12 win tanking team missing half of their roster.

    You're making it sound like they lost Game 7 to the '96 Bulls when, in reality, they had to claw their way back against the f'n Charlotte Hornets in February
    I guess it's a matter of expectations then. The Hornets played out of their mind and it's the modern era, have y'all never seen a bull team get red hot from 3 before?

    The Cavs and Boston lost to the Hawks this season, did they panic and make a fuss about it? (well I don't know, but I sure hope they didn't ).

    At the end of the day, I tend to agree that a team is only as good as its top-8 rotation, and the Spurs have made some significant progress there. Guess it's the glass-half-full approach. I'm not judging Keldon's performance as if I expect him to get any better, for example. Now Castle? That was a performance you can build upon, for sure.


    You remember how Spurstalk was up in arms last season about us having "the worst defense of all time"? Notice how you haven't heard any of that this season? Exactly. Bumpy ride to the mountaintop.

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    I guess it's a matter of expectations then. The Hornets played out of their mind and it's the modern era, have y'all never seen a bull team get red hot from 3 before?

    The Cavs and Boston lost to the Hawks this season, did they panic and make a fuss about it? (well I don't know, but I sure hope they didn't ).

    At the end of the day, I tend to agree that a team is only as good as its top-8 rotation, and the Spurs have made some significant progress there. Guess it's the glass-half-full approach. I'm not judging Keldon's performance as if I expect him to get any better, for example. Now Castle? That was a performance you can build upon, for sure.


    You remember how Spurstalk was up in arms last season about us having "the worst defense of all time"? Notice how you haven't heard any of that this season? Exactly. Bumpy ride to the mountaintop.
    you know literally any NBA team can get hot from 3 if you leave them wide open everytime right?

    Newsflash: we have the worst defense in the NBA in January. Not even the Wizards or the Hornets are that bad. And they don't have Wemby.

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    I'm watching the highlights again and keep thinking the exact same thing. How are people so down and about after that ending???

    The Spurs have been notorious for clutch-time collapses for the entire season, and despite everyone's disbelief in their trading chops, have just gone and brought in a major star player, Mr Clutch Player award-winner, and the guy has clearly demonstrated his value in only his first 2 games here. Came a literal second short of winning us a game we had no business being in.

    I get the heartbreak of a tough loss in the moment, but look it through the morning after.... That was a really encouraging loss. I can't wait to see the team after an off-season to gel, and jettison the anchor weights on the team. We now have at least 3 surefire building blocks to lean on. Last season we only had the 1.

    Look at the bigger picture, fellas. Killakobe is right -- we have a bright future ahead, and it's not too late to take your head off your ass and enjoy the bumpy ride towards the mountaintop.
    I’m obviously not a Spurs fan so I can stay objective. I get that loss sucked but the two biggest takeaways we see that Castle got a chance to show he might have the talent to be a #2 for Wemby long term which is huge.?The other is Fox is legit clutch still (clutch metrics can be fickle) what a fleecing the FO pulled off.
    Yes it would be great if they make the playoffs this year because the experience would be great for the young players that are cornerstone pieces. But if they don’t even if they miss the play in or lose in it … being in a late season playoff run is still valuable.

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    I'm watching the highlights again and keep thinking the exact same thing. How are people so down and about after that ending???

    The Spurs have been notorious for clutch-time collapses for the entire season, and despite everyone's disbelief in their trading chops, have just gone and brought in a major star player, Mr Clutch Player award-winner, and the guy has clearly demonstrated his value in only his first 2 games here. Came a literal second short of winning us a game we had no business being in.

    I get the heartbreak of a tough loss in the moment, but look it through the morning after.... That was a really encouraging loss. I can't wait to see the team after an off-season to gel, and jettison the anchor weights on the team. We now have at least 3 surefire building blocks to lean on. Last season we only had the 1.

    Look at the bigger picture, fellas. Killakobe is right -- we have a bright future ahead, and it's not too late to take your head off your ass and enjoy the bumpy ride towards the mountaintop.
    I agree with you that is my mentality. 20 years ago, this loss would have pissed me off but now as a middle-aged person it doesn't bother me due to all the success the Spurs have had in the past when it came to winning those 5 les. I feel now I'm just playing with house money when it comes to the Spurs winning. I just enjoy the games and look for the positives such as Castle showing improvement and having a great game despite making that mistake at the end. I didn't think this team was capable of making the playoffs to begin the season and was just realistically hoping this team could win somewhere between 30-40 games. They look like they will most likely hit that mark and anything beyond that would be a bonus. The most important thing when it comes to a young team is that they show improvement which the Spurs have shown this year. They are much better organized on the offensive end than they were last year.

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    you know literally any NBA team can get hot from 3 if you leave them wide open everytime right?

    Newsflash: we have the worst defense in the NBA in January. Not even the Wizards or the Hornets are that bad. And they don't have Wemby.
    Yes, and I'm sure you've noticed the incredible uptick in game variance and outcome in the last 5 or so years as a result. I don't think we left them wide open every time, but again, goes in the "Spurs played like " basket.

    Yes I saw the stat, but that's much different than "worst defense of all time, over an entire NBA season", don't you think? Especially once you factor the much-needed context of Wemby's illness and player injuries.

    Again, I'm taking a step back here and looking at the bigger process. Spurs have plenty of holes, sure. But you can't tell me they're not filling them up adequately and that the team is significantly improved as a result.

    Do you care to look up and tell me what the Spurs' record was at this time, last season? And do you expect it to be worse than it is today, next season? Then we're doing good, all things considered...

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    I’m obviously not a Spurs fan so I can stay objective. I get that loss sucked but the two biggest takeaways we see that Castle got a chance to show he might have the talent to be a #2 for Wemby long term which is huge.?The other is Fox is legit clutch still (clutch metrics can be fickle) what a fleecing the FO pulled off.
    Yes it would be great if they make the playoffs this year because the experience would be great for the young players that are cornerstone pieces. But if they don’t even if they miss the play in or lose in it … being in a late season playoff run is still valuable.
    Yeah, exactly. I get the sting and was mad at the game last night. But this morning I had a lot of good takeaways from it, Fox's game is incredible to watch.

    Once again I think people will be surprised what the core of the team can look like once the dead weight is shipped off, like Collins was in the trade.

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    I agree with you that is my mentality. 20 years ago, this loss would have pissed me off but now as a middle-aged person it doesn't bother me due to all the success the Spurs have had in the past when it came to winning those 5 les. I feel now I'm just playing with house money when it comes to the Spurs winning. I just enjoy the games and look for the positives such as Castle showing improvement and having a great game despite making that mistake at the end. I didn't think this team was capable of making the playoffs to begin the season and was just realistically hoping this team could win somewhere between 30-40 games. They look like they will most likely hit that mark and anything beyond that would be a bonus. The most important thing when it comes to a young team is that they show improvement which the Spurs have shown this year. They are much better organized on the offensive end than they were last year.
    Damn, so it's just that we're getting older then?

    Yeah, I'm right there with you in this mentality. I see all the dumb Timmy/Wemby comparisons and they sound so tired, needlessly antagonistic, and devoid of any joy in the journey that is growing into a champion...

    I've said it plenty, the Spurs fanbase is extremely spoiled, and they don't remember the tribulations that come with growing a championship level core and roster. Timmy had 4 years of college before coming into a team with the Admiral on it, and that's the bar we're judging Wemby on? Insane... And the same follows for many of the current talking points.

    The team is objectively improving and the FO has made plenty of confidence-inducing moves recently. That's my current measure bar, and it's in the positive.

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    Yes, and I'm sure you've noticed the incredible uptick in game variance and outcome in the last 5 or so years as a result. I don't think we left them wide open every time, but again, goes in the "Spurs played like " basket.

    Yes I saw the stat, but that's much different than "worst defense of all time, over an entire NBA season", don't you think? Especially once you factor the much-needed context of Wemby's illness and player injuries.

    Again, I'm taking a step back here and looking at the bigger process. Spurs have plenty of holes, sure. But you can't tell me they're not filling them up adequately and that the team is significantly improved as a result.

    Do you care to look up and tell me what the Spurs' record was at this time, last season? And do you expect it to be worse than it is today, next season? Then we're doing good, all things considered...
    they had that number of wins by the end of last season, so of course they got better. I just wish we had some better coaching, because our players aren't nearly as bad as they look sometimes. They just not being put in proper position to succeed.

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