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    Looks pretty doughy tbh.



    https://x.com/ClutchPoints/status/1887347849333010822

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    Maybe he was showing up to weigh-ins in Harden's fat suit to under the radar push a trade

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    I concede. 16-bit Doncic has slimming black pixels.

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    Maybe he was showing up to weigh-ins in Harden's fat suit to under the radar push a trade

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    https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...llas-mavericks

    This is ing nuts. They traded him because he was overweight? What the actual .
    No they traded him because they (the owners as a group) don't want supermax contracts, if you trade the guy that kills the supermax.

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    If the Mavericks can demonstrably save money by wrecking their franchise to save the supermax then the whole league has a problem. The Spurs certainly have no chance of surviving after re-signing Victor.

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    If the Mavericks can demonstrably save money by wrecking their franchise to save the supermax then the whole league has a problem. The Spurs certainly have no chance of surviving after re-signing Victor.
    In my eyes the supermax was the worst thing ever created. The dumbest idea ever because it makes it hard to build a team that can be le contenders for a long period of time. Due to supermax most teams will have a short window to contend and that will be it.

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    In my eyes the supermax was the worst thing ever created. The dumbest idea ever because it makes it hard to build a team that can be le contenders for a long period of time. Due to supermax most teams will have a short window to contend and that will be it.
    They need to change it and come up with something else. I agreed that they needed an incentive for a player to want to stay with his original team that drafted him instead of bolting to a bigger market if it's a small market team, but this was a bad solution from the start. You could put in a lot of hard work (draft and develop some really great players) and build a le contender, but then it's all wrecked with that supermax.

    Do you guys think the Spurs were not going to offer Kawhi the supermax even if he wanted to stay? Looking back at in now, I don't think they were going to due to his knee issue.

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    In my eyes the supermax was the worst thing ever created. The dumbest idea ever because it makes it hard to build a team that can be le contenders for a long period of time. Due to supermax most teams will have a short window to contend and that will be it.
    Yes, but it was to fix players going to big markets, because the only team that can offer that supermax is usually the team that drafted him. So if Wemby didn't want to to stay in SA and wanted Lakers instead, most agents would tell him to take the supermax and a year later, we will get you to LA. SA still gets to do the trade and don't lose him for nothing, which is crippling. I honestly think the difference between the supermax and max shouldn't count against the tax.

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    I think the supermax should be tied to playing for the team that offered it. They trade you and you lose it. Players union would fight this with all their might.

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    Yes, but it was to fix players going to big markets, because the only team that can offer that supermax is usually the team that drafted him. So if Wemby didn't want to to stay in SA and wanted Lakers instead, most agents would tell him to take the supermax and a year later, we will get you to LA. SA still gets to do the trade and don't lose him for nothing, which is crippling. I honestly think the difference between the supermax and max shouldn't count against the tax.
    I think the supermax should be tied to playing for the team that offered it. They trade you and you lose it. Players union would fight this with all their might.
    Both good ideas IMO.

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    No they traded him because they (the owners as a group) don't want supermax contracts, if you trade the guy that kills the supermax.
    That's brilliant. You don't want to pay him the max so you send him to a Western Conference rival that gets to sign him for less than the supermax and then he can remind you of why he is worth the supermax for the next 10 years.

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    That's brilliant. You don't want to pay him the max so you send him to a Western Conference rival that gets to sign him for less than the supermax and then he can remind you of why he is worth the supermax for the next 10 years.
    I think youre going to see more of this in the future, with one exception, teams will trade young stars for other young stars to avoid each team paying the Supermax. Ant for Shai types of deals. It'll save both teams money.

    I doubt you see young stars traded for old brittle stars again after this fiasco.

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    Now the Lakers winning the LOB would be the apex of losing a trade.

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    Now the Lakers winning the LOB would be the apex of losing a trade.
    Zero chance of that. They’ll honestly be doing well to even be compe ive in the second round against OKC or Memphis. If they slip to 6th, Denver may take them out in the opening round. Jokic has had a vendetta against LeBron since being left to the last selection in the ASG.

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    They need to change it and come up with something else. I agreed that they needed an incentive for a player to want to stay with his original team that drafted him instead of bolting to a bigger market if it's a small market team, but this was a bad solution from the start. You could put in a lot of hard work (draft and develop some really great players) and build a le contender, but then it's all wrecked with that supermax.

    Do you guys think the Spurs were not going to offer Kawhi the supermax even if he wanted to stay? Looking back at in now, I don't think they were going to due to his knee issue.
    I think there are two fixes they should immediately make:

    1) A SuperMax (both the vet and rookie SuperMax's) only counts as a regular max against the cap *if* you were the team that signed him to the SuperMax (this goes with #2, below). If you trade for a SuperMax player, the whole thing counts against your cap.

    2) Allow a SuperMax even if you've been traded. I suspect that the Players Association is kicking themselves pretty hard over this right now, as one of their members just lost a bunch of money by being traded. The players aren't going to want this to become a trend.

    #2 is obviously good for the players but #1 aids in team construction and has less of a punishing effect for retaining your own star players. Teams should like it, but Adam Silver may not because he probably views movement of star players as good for the league.

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    Zero chance of that. They’ll honestly be doing well to even be compe ive in the second round against OKC or Memphis. If they slip to 6th, Denver may take them out in the opening round. Jokic has had a vendetta against LeBron since being left to the last selection in the ASG.
    What year was this where he picked him last?

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    What year was this where he picked him last?
    Don’t honestly remember, but it was fairly recently. If you find a YouTube, you can hear Jokic mutter something to the effect of “you’ll pay for that”, and he’s been as good as his word. Jokic has made it his mission to punk the Lakers.

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    In my eyes the supermax was the worst thing ever created. The dumbest idea ever because it makes it hard to build a team that can be le contenders for a long period of time. Due to supermax most teams will have a short window to contend and that will be it.
    My thought was that as the intention. The league had to do something to breakup those lebron super teams or those warriors dynasties. A bit of luck or a large market will have an even bigger advantage over the smaller market teams because they have the local markets and the associated revenues to just keep buying les.

    Jordan’s GOAT status will stay safe forever.

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    Man, I can't believe my eyes that a deal like this even happened. Nico Harrison, Rob Pelinka, Mavs FO, and Adam Silver are such pieces of to blatantly rig this for and to save the Lakers. Man, just so blatant. Unbelievable.

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    This makes the Pau Gasol trade in 2008 look like the Grizzlies ripped off the Lakers, even though that trade was so blatantly crooked as well in favor of LA. That's how downright evil this deal was.

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    Mavs kicked a dude out of the stadium tonight who had a "FIRE NICO" sign. Soft ass franchise.

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    Watching the pregame with Pelinka sitting there with a -eating grin, knowing it's too late to do anything about it. What. A. Screwing.

    I don't think the GM of the Mavs will ever be safe in public again. Like I'm pretty sure someone is going to take his ass out.

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    This makes the Pau Gasol trade in 2008 look like the Grizzlies ripped off the Lakers, even though that trade was so blatantly crooked as well in favor of LA. That's how downright evil this deal was.
    Yeah it doesn't seem as bad now because Marc Gasol became a really good player for the Grizzlies.

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