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    Show me the special letter.

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    Vance hit back at the judges for trying to restrict the president in his own sphere and overriding his decisions as to how best to carry out the law (the execute in the “executive branch”). As the Harvard law professor Adrian Vermeule put it an X post, reshared by Vance, “judicial interference with legitimate acts of state, especially the internal functioning of a co-equal branch, is a violation of the separation of powers”.

    But the judges’ actions raise another vexing cons utional question: can a lower court with narrow local jurisdiction render so-called nationwide injunctions that purport to bind every American citizen? By seemingly refusing to comply, the Trump administration is effectively answering: no. In doing so, according to The New York Times, the Trumpians have triggered an unprecedented “cons utional crisis”. In recent years, as legal progressives have sought to limit presidential power when it’s held by the other side, it’s become a sort of truism that a lower court in Hawaii or, say, New Hampshire can put a stop to a federal policy covering the whole nation.

    In fact, the argument isn’t obvious at all, and there is good reason to believe that America’s Founding Fathers would have been baffled by such gross assertions of judicial hegemony.

    Start with the cons utional text. The first clause of Article III of the Cons ution reads: “The judicial Power of the United States, shall be vested in one supreme Court, and in such inferior Courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish.” Read that carefully once more. This so-called vesting clause has at least two notable elements.

    First, the only court that shall be established is the US Supreme Court. All other lower courts exist solely at the discretion of Congress, as they have since the Judiciary Act of 1789 — one of the first statutes the First Congress passed. But something created by statute can be taken away by statute. The Federalist’s Sean Davis might have appeared to be trolling when he noted on X that “Congress would be well within its right to just eliminate” any lower courts. In fact, Davis was restating a basic fact about America’s cons utional structure. That precarious state of the lower courts should already tell us something about their authority to neuter executive-branch policy for the whole country.

    Second, and more relevant, is what the “judicial Power” means as it is used in Article III of the Cons ution. As the University of Chicago Law School professor Will Baude argued in a highly influential 2008 law-review article, “the judicial power is the power to issue binding judgments and to settle legal disputes within the court’s jurisdiction”.

    The deepest question raised by this is the following: what is a federal court’s legitimate jurisdiction when it comes to issuing injunctions — a form of “equitable remedy” in legalese, meaning the court tells one party to perform some act (rather than award damages). In this case, for example, it’s courts ordering the executive branch that it has to automatically grant US citizenship to children born to unlawful migrants.

    The answer is simple: when it comes to this kind of remedy, only the named parties to a particular lawsuit are bound by the judgment. So to follow our example: a lower court can only order the federal government to treat as an automatic citizen a specific infant born on US soil to an illegal mother from Honduras. Call him Baby Doe. But a lower court lacks the authority to force the executive branch to grant automatic citizenship to Baby Doe and all other similarly situated children nationwide.

    As then-Stanford law professor Jonathan Mitc argued in a 2018 law-review article, an “injunction is nothing more than a judicially imposed non-enforcement policy” that “forbids the named defendants to enforce the statute” — or executive order — “while the court’s order remains in place.” There is no broader “writ of erasure” that permits a lower court to simply “strike down” a statute or an executive order.

    Nationwide injunctions applying to all people across a vast continental nation have no basis in the Anglo-American legal tradition. Rather, the proper scope of a federal court’s power to issue such remedies is restricted to “the defendant’s conduct only with respect to the plaintiff”, as Samuel L. Bray, the Notre Dame legal scholar, argued in a 2017 law-review article

    Sceptics of nationwide injunctions aren’t limited to the legal academy. They include Justice Clarence Thomas of the Supreme Court. As Thomas explained in his 2018 concurring opinion in the landmark Trump v. Hawaii case, historically, “American courts of equity did not provide relief beyond the parties to the case”, because “for most of our history, courts understood judicial power as fundamentally the power to render judgments in individual cases”. Presciently, Thomas concluded his opinion by warning: “If federal courts continue to issue them, this Court is dutybound to adjudicate their authority to do so”.

    That day has not yet come, but it might soon enough, as the clash between the second Trump administration and legal progressives reaches a crescendo.

    https://unherd.com/2025/02/anti-trum...-legal-crisis/

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    Show me the special letter.
    It doesn't have to be public. Ask your elected representative if they received it.

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    It doesn't have to be public. Ask your elected representative if they received it.
    What is your excuse for Trump's hiding it from the public?

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    What is your excuse for Trump's hiding it from the public?
    So, here's the relevant question you should be asking:

    Was the notice transmitted, as required by the ICA? I suspect, if it wasn't, Chuck Schumer, Elizabeth Warren, et. al. would have already said so. They haven't.

    Do I care what it says? No. Do I care if it was properly transmitted as required in the ICA? Yes. (I think my second question is already answered absent any objection for the Democrat in Congress.)

    I think they're just trying to run out the 45-day clock so spending can be reinstated.

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    So, here's the relevant question you should be asking:

    Was the notice transmitted, as required by the ICA? I suspect, if it wasn't, Chuck Schumer, Elizabeth Warren, et. al. would have already said so. They haven't.

    Do I care what it says? No. Do I care if it was properly transmitted as required in the ICA? Yes. (I think my second question is already answered absent any objection for the Democrat in Congress.)

    I think they're just trying to run out the 45-day clock so spending can be reinstated.
    It's supposed to be in the Federal Registry right now, according to the text of the act you linked.

    Is it there? I haven't found it yet.

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    It's supposed to be in the Federal Registry right now, according to the text of the act you linked.

    Is it there? I haven't found it yet.
    Cite the portion of the ICA requiring publication of the notice in the Federal Register.

    I can't find the words "Publish," "Federal Register," or "Register" anywhere in the Act.

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    Cite the portion of the ICA requiring publication of the notice in the Federal Register.

    I can't find the words "Publish," "Federal Register," or "Register" anywhere in the Act.
    Holy -- you didn't even read your own link?



    (d) Printing in Federal Register
    Any special message transmitted under section 683 or 684 of this le, and any supplementary message transmitted under subsection (c), shall be printed in the first issue of the Federal Register published after such transmittal.


    I can't read it for you.

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    Then he is required to report what he's doing:

    (e) ulative reports of proposed rescissions, reservations, and deferrals of budget authority
    (1) The President shall submit a report to the House of Representatives and the Senate, not later than the 10th day of each month during a fiscal year, listing all budget authority for that fiscal year with respect to which, as of the first day of such month—

    (A) he has transmitted a special message under section 683 of this le with respect to a proposed rescission or a reservation; and

    (B) he has transmitted a special message under section 684 of this le proposing a deferral.


    Such report shall also contain, with respect to each such proposed rescission or deferral, or each such reservation, the information required to be submitted in the special message with respect thereto under section 683 or 684 of this le.

    (2) Each report submitted under paragraph (1) shall be printed in the first issue of the Federal Register published after its submission.

    (Pub. L. 93–344, le X, §1014, July 12, 1974, 88 Stat. 335.)

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    Holy -- you didn't even read your own link?



    (d) Printing in Federal Register
    Any special message transmitted under section 683 or 684 of this le, and any supplementary message transmitted under subsection (c), shall be printed in the first issue of the Federal Register published after such transmittal.


    I can't read it for you.
    My bad, my browser was still on the Anti-Deficiency Act. I've corrected my error in another thread. ICA does not require the notice to be published...only those items produced pursuant to section 683 and 684.

    You're right, you shouldn't have to read it for me.

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    My bad, my browser was still on the Anti-Deficiency Act. I've corrected my error in another thread. ICA does not require the notice to be published...only those items produced pursuant to section 683 and 684.
    685 says and messages sent under 683 and 684 are required to be printed in the Federal Registry.

    So where are they?

    Your claim is he sent those messages.

    There are manty pages in the registry so I could definitely be missing them.

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    Then he is required to report what he's doing:

    (e) ulative reports of proposed rescissions, reservations, and deferrals of budget authority
    (1) The President shall submit a report to the House of Representatives and the Senate, not later than the 10th day of each month during a fiscal year, listing all budget authority for that fiscal year with respect to which, as of the first day of such month—

    (A) he has transmitted a special message under section 683 of this le with respect to a proposed rescission or a reservation; and

    (B) he has transmitted a special message under section 684 of this le proposing a deferral.


    Such report shall also contain, with respect to each such proposed rescission or deferral, or each such reservation, the information required to be submitted in the special message with respect thereto under section 683 or 684 of this le.

    (2) Each report submitted under paragraph (1) shall be printed in the first issue of the Federal Register published after its submission.

    (Pub. L. 93–344, le X, §1014, July 12, 1974, 88 Stat. 335.)
    Do we know if any ulative reports, reservations, or deferrals have been formally proposed? The may be separate and apart from his special notice, pursuant to section 685 and have their own timeline. Do you know?

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    Do we know if any ulative reports, reservations, or deferrals have been formally proposed? The may be separate and apart from his special notice, pursuant to section 685 and have their own timeline. Do you know?
    So he's not using this act all all?

    Which law is he executing then?

    Pick a lane.

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    685 says and messages sent under 683 and 684 are required to be printed in the Federal Registry.

    So where are they?

    Your claim is he sent those messages.

    There are manty pages in the registry so I could definitely be missing them.
    Ask the GAO, it's their responsibility to both publish any notices received and to publish any violations of notices that were supposed to be received and weren't.

    I'm satisfied if President Trump has violated the ICA of 1974, it would have already been pointed by a legal mind sharper than yours, Chump.

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    Ask the GAO, it's their responsibility to both publish any notices received and to publish any violations of notices that were supposed to be received and weren't.

    I'm satisfied if President Trump has violated the ICA of 1974, it would have already been pointed by a legal mind sharper than yours, Chump.
    Why are you satisfied?

    Did Trump say he sent the message?

    Where is it?

    So now the GAO is breaking the law?

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    Why are you satisfied?

    Did Trump say he sent the message?

    Where is it?

    So now the GAO is breaking the law?
    I'm satisfied for two reasons.

    1) If he was in violation of the ICA, I'm damn sure I would have heard about it from someone other than a gnat buzzing around the Spurstalk Political Forum, and;
    2) I am happy with the actions President Trump is taking to ferret out waste, fraud, and abuse in the Executive Branch.

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    I'm satisfied for two reasons.

    1) If he was in violation of the ICA, I'm damn sure I would have heard about it from someone other than a gnat buzzing around the Spurstalk Political Forum, and;
    2) I am happy with the actions President Trump is taking to ferret out waste, fraud, and abuse in the Executive Branch.
    You brought up the possibility he isn't even using the ICA.

    If Trump sent the message and it should now be public anyway, what's stopping anyone -- Trump, any member of Congress, anyone in the GAO -- from just putting it up online?

    PS "2) I'm satisfied because I'm happy" is fantastically circular.

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    You brought up the possibility he isn't even using the ICA.

    If Trump sent the message and it should now be public anyway, what's stopping anyone -- Trump, any member of Congress, anyone in the GAO -- from just putting it up online?

    PS "2) I'm satisfied because I'm happy" is fantastically circular.
    You've lost track of the conversation - as usual.

    Back on ignore.

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    You've lost track of the conversation - as usual.
    Nope.

    It's not my job to understand the law you linked for you.

    You're upset because the law you touted and tried to wave in my face isn't actually being followed at all and now you're going to pretend this conversation didn't happen.

    I'd be much more comfortable with all this if Trump was actually working within the provisions of the law you have been trying to cite and have failed to understand.

    He isn't.

    I would respect you more if you just accepted you were wrong and fell back to the Nixonian "if the president does it, it's legal" gambit.

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    Trump cultists will cheer for lawlessness and dictatorship no matter what...

    trying to reason and ask them to show their legal/rightful grounds for their support of any trump crime is just futile...

    "if trump team does it - its all ok - ill trust dear leader! - the cons ution if dear leader says to the cons ution!"

    in a nuts ...

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    blockage of Ukraine funds coming next

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    blockage of Ukraine funds coming next
    That would be nice

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    First defensive volley fired in the attempted Judicial coup!

    MEMORANDUM OF LAW IN SUPPORT OF EMERGENCY MOTION TO DISSOLVE,
    CLARIFY, OR MODIFY EX PARTE TEMPORARY RESTRAINING ORDER


    It begins by giving the Judge a lesson in Cons utional Law he shouldn't need.

    At approximately 1:00 a.m. on Saturday, February 8, 2025, this Court issued an ex parte Temporary Restraining Order that purported to limit access to a vast swath of Treasury systems to only “civil servants,” while prohibiting “all political appointees” from doing the same. On its face, the Order could be read to cover all political leadership within Treasury—including even Secretary Bessent. This is a remarkable intrusion on the Executive Branch that is in direct conflict with Article II of the Cons ution, and the unitary structure it provides. There is not and cannot be a basis for distinguishing between “civil servants” and “political appointees.” Basic democratic accountability requires that every executive agency’s work be supervised by politically accountable leadership, who ultimately answer to the President. A federal court, consistent with the separation of powers, cannot insulate any portion of that work from the specter of political accountability. No court can issue an injunction that directly severs the clear line of supervision Article II requires. Because the Order on its face draws an impermissible and anti-cons utional distinction, it should be dissolved immediately.

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