Spurs Have a Serious Rebounding Issue

[Pauleta14]

If only that was the only serious issue...

Add that to the list of unnecessary handicaps, PATFO thought it would be wise to impose to a once in a generation player.

I can't wait for Wemby to finally get over himself

[RC_Drunkford]

sounds to me like they never heard the terminology "boxing out":

[Mal]

Chris Paul is forcing interim coach to play smallball lineup with Sochan at C and Barnes at PF, because he must start

[Ice009]

And it's not just a size issue. That's a major part of the equation obviously, but more importantly, guys on this team aren't boxing out when the opposition shoots the ball. We see it all the time with our Guards/Wings and even with our bigs where they just watch as the ball goes up instead of putting a body on a man. In a league where teams shoot more 3's than ever before and thus long rebounds are more prominent than ever before, this is unacceptable.

Spurs are currently allowing 12 Offensive Rebounds per game, tied with the Pelicans for the 4th most in the NBA. Only WAS, DAL, and PHX are (barely) worse. Numbers show that we're equally bad at home and on the road.

This is something that should be improved upon with time by our coaching staff, so why is it only getting worse..?

And to make matters worse, you have an interim HC who thinks playing 6'7 Jeremy Sochan and 6'8 Harrison Barnes at C against NBA 7-footers is a good idea. Make it make sense.

Who are the other players/numbers listed there?

[Gagnrath]

Lots of people on this board think Jeremy is a center, too, when he is not close to power forward size.

I don't know why, but this team has not been able to rebound or defend the three since like 2018.

6'8" is low end Power Forward Size 6'6"-6'9" is small forward size 6'8"-6'11" power forward. In 2005 if you draft a Tweener forward with Sochan handles and a shot out to 15' with speed and defensive intensity there's zero doubt that he plays 15 minutes a game at SF, and about 12 at PF. The whole must shoot 30% or better from 3 to really play SF in 2015 is what is holding him back... It also what I don't understand we saw shooting improvement at first with a shot rework in the off season supposed to happen and then nothing.

[quentin_compson]

It's as if the Spurs' coaching staff either doesn't know about or doesn't believe in the concept of team rebounding.

[exstatic]

6'8" is low end Power Forward Size 6'6"-6'9" is small forward size 6'8"-6'11" power forward. In 2005 if you draft a Tweener forward with Sochan handles and a shot out to 15' with speed and defensive intensity there's zero doubt that he plays 15 minutes a game at SF, and about 12 at PF. The whole must shoot 30% or better from 3 to really play SF in 2015 is what is holding him back... It also what I don't understand we saw shooting improvement at first with a shot rework in the off season supposed to happen and then nothing.

I know this is going to come as a shock to you, but Jeremy is shooting 34% from beyond the arc.

[ffadicted]

We are absolutely trash at rebounding, both defensively and offensively, just look at this in table, sorted by worst to best:

[Dejounte]

The best teams rebound and box out who would have thunk it

SURROUND WEMBY WITH REBOUNDERS not three point threats since he IS the three point threat

[Gagnrath]

I know this is going to come as a shock to you, but Jeremy is shooting 34% from beyond the arc.

Not really there's a more of an unwillingness/uncomfortable to shoot looks/opportunities most players in high level basketball would take and make at a pretty good rate that bothers me. He's not at Ben Simmons levels by any means but he isn't considered an offensive threat by most defenses that have scouted and he isn't a willing shooter without very open looks.

[Raven]

Barnes is not a PF. Sochan is not a center.

We play small ball literally entire games then wonder why we have trouble rebounding.

not to mention the double or triple pg lineups... absolutely wild

[Gagnrath]

not to mention the double or triple pg lineups... absolutely wild

This is the issue and a number of the other players aren't exactly high end rebounders for their position, add in Paul is no longer quick for his position and has always been small.

[ambchang]

Not really there's a more of an unwillingness/uncomfortable to shoot looks/opportunities most players in high level basketball would take and make at a pretty good rate that bothers me. He's not at Ben Simmons levels by any means but he isn't considered an offensive threat by most defenses that have scouted and he isn't a willing shooter without very open looks.

Agree. He shoots 34 at like 2 attempts a game. And someone posted a stat where Jeremy didn’t shoot (or make?) a three with any defender within 6 feet of him. That’s a big problem and he will eventually have to work on a decent shot that he can launch with some confidence and a much quicker release.

[100%duncan]

It's crazy cause whenever the opps shoot the 3, I just see 1-2 spurs players running the other way (Wemby included btw) This predictably leads to an oreb and an open 3 which more often than not leads to a bucket. We've experienced these "daggers" throughout this season, I swear we lost a lot of games this way either when this happens when we're closing in on their lead or when they cut our lead down i.e. momentum swinger possessions.


Also funny when we have those possessions where the opps get 2-4 shots I mean you are facing an NBA team, they're bound to make 1 out of 3 or 4 shots.

[spurraider21]

Chris Paul is forcing interim coach to play smallball lineup with Sochan at C and Barnes at PF, because he must start

sochan at center has nothing to do with paul

[spurraider21]

The best teams rebound and box out who would have thunk it

SURROUND WEMBY WITH REBOUNDERS not three point threats since he IS the three point threat

the best teams are houston, detroit, and golden state?

[mystargtr34]

We are absolutely trash at rebounding, both defensively and offensively, just look at this in table, sorted by worst to best:

Damn that’s actually pretty damning. Good stat.

Looking at basketball reference the Spurs are 23rd in the league in DRB % and 20th in ORB %.

Interesting that despite not boxing out they are still grabbing more boards than a few other teams. Seems like the easiest way to go from a below average rebounding team to a good rebounding team is to start boxing out. And actually playing some guys with size.

[LakerHater]

We have an aging PG that never boxes out & a 7'er that doesnt know to rebound, doesnt try or jus slaps it!

[Obstructed_View]

The forum has been crying about the team needing shooters but we need rebounders way more

To be fair, they can't ing shoot either.

[DAF86]

The best teams rebound and box out who would have thunk it

SURROUND WEMBY WITH REBOUNDERS not three point threats since he IS the three point threat

The Thunder are one of the worst reboundings teams in the entire league, tbh.

[DAF86]

I remember the Spurs were amongst the leaders in rbd% not too long ago.

[Seventyniner]

I remember the Spurs were amongst the leaders in rbd% not too long ago.

For a long time the Spurs were top 3 in DRB% but towards the bottom in ORB%.

[DAF86]

For a long time the Spurs were top 3 in DRB% but towards the bottom in ORB%.

Yes, that's what I meant. DRB%. That has always been Pop's design, don't fight for offensive rebounds so that you can get back into transition D, but be elite on the defensive end. It was working this season, I don't know which could be the causes for it to downgrade so badly.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Yes, that's what I meant. DRB%. That has always been Pop's design, don't fight for offensive rebounds so that you can get back into transition D, but be elite on the defensive end. It was working this season, I don't know which could be the causes for it to downgrade so badly.

What’s changed is the players. Spurs were good at DRB% when they were compe ive with the big 3 and even after that with LMA but they’ve not been good for years now. Also nowadays it’s a bit different as there are way more long rebounds due to the increased volume of threes, so positional plus rebounders are more important, not just the bigs, and ours aren’t very good on the current team, especially at the wings.

[DAF86]

What’s changed is the players. Spurs were good at DRB% when they were compe ive with the big 3 and even after that with LMA but they’ve not been good for years now. Also nowadays it’s a bit different as there are way more long rebounds due to the increased volume of threes, so positional plus rebounders are more important, not just the bigs, and ours aren’t very good on the current team, especially at the wings.

They were top 3 in BRB% for a good chunk of this season, that's why I'm asking what could be the reason/s for the change? Benching Sochan, Pop's absence, etc.?