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As far as I know, if you don't make the playoffs, the order of ping pong balls revert to win/loss record.
IDK Flagg isn't viewed in the same tier of prospect as Wemby or maybe even Anthony Davis. I could see it if OKC wants to overpay hard like that.
As far as I know, if you don't make the playoffs, the order of ping pong balls revert to win/loss record.
yeah, i think he's a hair below AD. i think both were crazy impressive as they played with the olympic guys before playing in the NBA. flagg on the select team did well in scrimmages, and AD made the actual team which is wild.
AD was seen as more of a sure thing franchise centerpiece, best player on both ends, in addition to his absurd athleticism/length, etc. before wemby he was the main guy i can recall getting fanfare for blocking 3 point shots
everyone loves Flagg to be sure, but i dont know if its consensus that he's a #1 on offense type player
Is Flagg actually legit?
All I know is, whoever we get needs to be long for their position and at least a GOOD shooter, if not great.
Yeah, I think OKC is kind of at the point where these picks hold more valuable as consolidation assets. Everyone knows my love affair with Trey Murphy III... he's also someone who could make a lot of sense for OKC if NOP lands Flagg or Harper and just wants to go hard reboot, they can flip a bunch of picks and someone like Cason Wallace to NOP for Trey who's at 15% of the cap for the next 3 years.
Lots of possibilities with OKC.
Obviously this greatly depends on lottery luck (or lack of), but assuming nothing too crazy happens with ping pong balls and we have 2 picks in the 7-12 range is it safe to expect the Spurs to trade off one of the picks (like the lower of the 2) akin to last season? Part of me is hoping for a consolidation in that scenario to get in the top 5 but that could be quite costly given the way this draft is being hyped up to be. Just wondering what the likely scenarios are if the current lottery math holds up for the most part.
Two picks, say 9,12 or 10,11 don’t hold the same value as a top 5 pick. One of those picks, plus say #5, might get you to 4 or 3.
Flagg was labeled generational as a high school senior and nobody was disagreeing. Now he scores 23 PPG as a single season freshman for Duke. The scouting report lists not a single negative besides turnovers. Which is normal for a young player.
Not sure why all the sudden he would now be considered NOT a generational prospect.
Your math could hold in some drafts, but this one has 8 wings in the top 8 that are not that widely gapped.
No one's trading OKC Cooper Flagg. Bill Simmons needs to retire.
I have to disagree with that assessment. Flagg is FAR better than say Tre Johnson, who’s really just a shooter. I think he’s also much better than Bailey, another scorer who doesn’t do much else and plays little defense, to boot.
Spurs ain't getting Flagg. Or a top-4 pick for that matter.
Flagg has been viewed as a comes around every 6-7 years level prospect, not every 10-20 years like Wemby. Probably the second best prospect since Davis, probably even over Luka who was a no-brainer franchise player and clearly over Zion and Ben Simmons who had major question marks (Zion's weight, Simmons not even being able to get LSU into the NCAA tournament). So yeah I think very highly of Flagg but he could be gettable in trade unlike a prospect in the tier of Wemby, LeBron, Tim, Shaq, Kareem, or Wilt.
Interesting that Cooper Flagg has a twin, nowhere near as gifted though. Would've been funny to have had another Amen/Ausar Thompson scenario lol.
Yeah Davis might have been the best college player since Ralph Sampson just based on that one year at Kentucky. Too bad he was such a got in NO.
Funny thing is, LeBron threw him away like yesterday’s trash when he was done with him.
Doubt LeBron had anything to do with that. James would have probably kept him at the expense of the Lakers future if he could have since Luka is a ball hawk just like him.
You are jumping to compare more like the 1 v 7 player. You said it would be super hard to even trade up within the 3-5 range. I’m saying the 3-8 range is fluid enough to almost say who cares within that range. You can’t just suddenly switch the debate about trading up to only the top 1 or 2 picks, LOL.
How many generational talents can one generation have?
This term "generational" gets diluted so much. To be a generational talent means you are the best of that generation. You can't have a generational talent every couple of years.
Saw a reddit post the other day asking if Nash and Barkley were generational players, lol
Flagg looks like a complementary star in the mold of Kirilenko, (Josh) Smith, Barnes, etc. That might seem like a knock, but the first two had seasons where they were top 5-10 in VORP; they just weren't the hub of the offense or defensive anchors.
Still, because he's the best white American prospect in eons and the marketing potential associated with it, he was always a lock to go 1st and is probably literally untouchable for what could realistically be offered (so no Wembanyama, Doncic, etc.).
Actually, I didn’t say that. I said it would be nearly impossible to trade INTO the top 5 with the picks we look to have. In a hypothetical where we have the #5 pick, nearly impossible at this juncture, and like a 10 or 11 pick, you might be able to trade up to 4 or maybe 3, depending on exactly where that other pick lies.
That 3-8 range statement is a retcon. What you originally said was that there were 8 wings without much separation at the top 8 spots, and I kind of took that apart like a cooked chicken. I would even argue that your 3-8 walkback statement isn’t accurate. I’d much rather have Edgecombe than Kneupple because he shoots a slightly better percentage from 3 on slightly fewer attempts, but he is a ing animal on defense, creating all kinds of defensive events.
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I'd rather have Edgecombe over Knueppel for a lot more reasons than that. IMO, there is a pretty massive separation between the various guys in the top 8, let alone the top 8 wings (which you alluded to in your cooked chicken analogy). You're spot on, no one is going to pass up a Top 4 guy in this draft for picks #9 and #12 or something like that.
The Spurs need to draft a guy who can win the ROY next year. The expectations should be high. After Castle, they have my full faith. A lot of here focused on his lack of shooting and harped on it a lot. I knew (and still know) that shooting is an overrated skill when gauging prospects.
He was saying nobody is going to trade like our 5 and 11 for the 3 or 4 pick. That’s a far different statement than nobody would trade our 8 and 11 pick for their 3 pick. So I questioned his math. Then he comes back and admits that we can’t even have the 5 pick to begin with. But I end up being the person who is math challenged. And if we were penalizing posters for not using plain language he’d be crucified.
But other than that I like him. He just disagrees with every single thing people post. Part of his charm I suppose, but when he says stupid stuff I don’t mind taking the bait occasionally just for fun. He overthinks things so much that it’s funny.
As far as the statement about not caring related the three through eight, I do have a habit of fast forwarding ahead of others thought processes. First off, if we get a top 4 pick the whole debate is moot. Next we are really left debating between the 8 and the 5 position being flat. I happen to like the guys like McNeeley and Knuepel just fine there because we need SFs the most. Edgecombe is yet another moot point because he’s top 4.
That should get you both up to speed, sorry for fast forwarding to the end of the discussion and carelessly mentioning the 3 through 8 but that obscured that his trade post (an 11 and 5 would not even get you a 3 or 4) was highly flawed to begin with.
That’s actually the opposite of what I was saying. I said that COULD happen, but we ain’t getting into the top 4 or 5 with our likely 9-12 picks. Go back and read it again. I did post the extraneous info on it being almost impossible to get the 5 pick in this draft, but if I didn’t someone would have called me out on it.
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