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You all know that we are going to pick non shooters? Taking scoring machines is not who we are.
Outside of the top 7 I‘d go with Demin and Fleming as of now. Those 2 are my best bets for our forward spots. Draft a back up C in the 2nd round.
You all know that we are going to pick non shooters? Taking scoring machines is not who we are.
These are excellent points. Non-spurs related, but I do think that this is what Memphis may have been trying to counter when they drafted Edey last year, and what Houston's system is also trying to accomplish. OKC's system is built on speed and length, but they give up quite a bit of size especially when they don't have IHart. Edey was a historically good offensive rebounder in college, while Houston's entire mo is to try and maximize their number of possessions, as opposed to the efficiency of possessions. Both teams may not care that much about scoring efficiency on their first action, but prioritize giving themselves as many opportunities as possible.
You need enough bulk and strength to really hurt OKC on post-ups in isolation, on the boards offensively, and to clear more space on screens to give your offensive players that extra fraction of a second before their swarming defense arrives. That player also has to be able to guard in space against their offense, be able to process the floor quickly to try and pass ahead of their defense, and optimally space the floor for your guards. Wolf is one option I hadn't considered. My personal favorite counter to this team is Collin Murray-Boyles, who provides a lot of that but hasn't shown a viable outside shot yet.
CBS Eye on College Basketball podcast a few days ago did a mock that had OKC take Wolf at via Philly and had SA take McNeely and a 6-6 sf, Drake Powell
Something else about Wolf that catches my eye is he has a nice shot fake from 3 that allows him to drive. It's not as good as Chet's fake ... But it could get there. And Chet is right up there in the entire league with his fake ... If Wolf can be a respectable 3 point shooter AND have a high level fake and drive with his vision and passing, that's a good weapon to have
And at least he kind of seems to have active hands on defense. That goes a long way to making up for speed or athleticism, it's how Sengun has managed to be part of good defenses. Deflections, strips, blocks, steals, anything to disrupt an action is better than passively accepting whatever is coming
Chet was a much better NCAA player, getting nearly all of the green dots on the TaT compare.
It would be a gift from God if OKC got Philly’s pick, and used it for such a huge reach.
I hope the Spurs get Flagg
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Vecenie is doing an updated mock draft live right on on YouTube (they are on pick #26).
We had #10 and #16 (IIRC) and picked Kon Knueppel and Asa Newell (McNeeley and Fleming were both taken a few picks before each of our picks).
I'll just say this... I'm definitely not feeling all that excited about this draft. If we end up in that 10-16 range, I think we should fully expect to go back to the way rookies used to be treated around here. Lots of G-League time, sporadic playing time in their rookie year. There is just a huge drop off after the top 4-5. Definitely would not mind see us trading our picks away, assuming we got some good value back.
One other thought I had as I was listening to Matt Tynan's podcast. He claims that the Hawks were pretty desperate to get their picks back from us for Trae (but the Spurs weren't as interested). What if we could flip some of ATL's picks back to them for Jalen Johnson instead? (Not sure if ATL does this... just throwing out ideas)
Even though I am generally down on score-first shooting guards who can't do much else, I think that if the first 9 picks of Vecenie's mock draft played out the way he expected, Spurs would most likely take Tre Johnson 10th which would be decent value and trade Vassell at the same time.
I doubt Atlanta would do it but if the Spurs could flip those picks and the swap for Jalen Johnson they should. Give em Keldon and Sochan for salary matching and it's a done deal for me.
I’d say yes but he has a poison pill contract. Not sure it’s doable.
Yeah I'd take Tre Johnson there too over Knueppel, but my comment would be the same in that I would expect him to get the Lonnie Walker treatment (and probably rightfully so). Unless we leap up, I'm not expecting an impact player right away from this draft.
Guys, imagine if we got Cooper
This forum would explode, lol
To Mr Cooper,
Can you smell what the Spurs are cooking?
I would jump on Tre immediately if he fell. He doesn't seem as ball dominant as I thought and plays well off ball. What wouldn't work is a ball dominant volume scorer. He's also becoming more stat productive otherwise. He's not my favorite in the draft but if he's there I take him.
Vecenie's podcast was nice. I especially like how they accepted that other people could have a different evaluation on a player.
A takeaway form that podcast:
Rasheer Fleming, Hugo Gonzalez and Carter Bryant are 3 players worth keeping an eye on for Spurs.
Carter Bryant is a guy that I like too. He would slot in nicely at the 3 and has the size to play some small ball 4.
Haven’t watched Hugo much tbh.
Just don’t draft anyone that shoots below 35% from three, a reason I am currently out on Demin.
most players shoot under 35% from 3. You won't find a draft where 15 of the top 30 shoot efficiently from 3. The question is who has a good form and FT% where you are confident that they can develop into an efficient 3-point shooter.
I’d consider Fears below that mark. He’s got a lot of tools for a kid who will be 18 on draft night. He also shoots 85% on FTs, which would be considered a strong shooting signal.
The other side of that coin is Wolf, Who’s shooting 36% from 3, but his FT% is 62.6. Don’t trust that shot at all.
This forum would hate him in a year and a half, and be calling for his head.
*half of the forum... the other half would start threads complaining about Mitch starting Sochan over Flagg.
Re Fears that seems like a high draft pick for a backup PG.
Cooper is going Maine > Duke > Utah path
Fantasy draft outcome I'd like to see to make the league more entertaining/fun:
NOP gets #1, drafts Flagg.
CHA gets #2, trades it to NOP for Zion (who has found Allah, commitment, and sustainable cholesterol levels), NOP drafts Harper.
New Pelicans are DJM (get well mijo)/Harper/Trey/Flagg/Missi
New Hornets are Melo, Miller, Wife Beater, Zion, Mark William's Physical
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