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    El0n is just the first billionaire to put a US president in his pocket

    I'm sure his billionaire buddies are already jealous and looking to acquire their own
    That we know of. He's just doing it brazenly in front of everyone's faces.

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    Yonivore, dude, you're full of it

    all that noise

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    Name a law he's violated in his efforts to bring the bloated federal government (over which he's the Executive) to heel?
    Under 18 U.S.C. § 208

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    Yonivore, dude, you're full of it

    all that noise
    Running out of arguments? Not that you've had any up to now. Just a bunch of accusations, without support, because you have a stick up your butt over Trump bringing the Executive Branch back to order.

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    Under 18 U.S.C. § 208
    So, how has Trump violated a conflict-of-interest law? Because, courts have already held that Presidents are not subject to 18 U.S.C. § 208.

    Musk? I think there are cases filed and pending. But, as of yet, no criminal charges. All attempts, so far filed in courts, have not resulted in your desired result, Blake.

    I guess we'll find out.

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    dude, you're brainwashed

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    dude, you're brainwashed
    And you're overwrought, Winester.

    Cool your jets, old horse.

    - Dale

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    So, how has Trump violated a conflict-of-interest law? Because, courts have already held that Presidents are not subject to 18 U.S.C. § 208.

    Musk? I think there are cases filed and pending. But, as of yet, no criminal charges. All attempts, so far filed in courts, have not resulted in your desired result, Blake.

    I guess we'll find out.
    In your experience, what contractor has "audited" the government with which that contractor has contracts?

    Please make a list.

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    So, how has Trump violated a conflict-of-interest law? Because, courts have already held that Presidents are not subject to 18 U.S.C. § 208.

    Musk? I think there are cases filed and pending. But, as of yet, no criminal charges. All attempts, so far filed in courts, have not resulted in your desired result, Blake.

    I guess we'll find out.
    Yes Musk.

    They're not even trying.


    "....Despite signing more than two dozen executive orders on his first day in office, President Donald Trump has yet to release ethics rules for his administration.

    At the very beginning of presidential administrations, presidents are expected to issue an executive order outlining ethics constraints for all political appointees in that administration.

    By failing to do so, Trump has opened the door to further conflicts of interest that disregard the ethics standards that have been a mainstay of the executive branch for the last 50 years....."

    https://campaignlegal.org/update/day...er-ethics-norm

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    dude, you're brainwashed
    How so?

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    You won & Winester can't brook it.

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    "...A new online tracker on the Department of Government Efficiency's website puts a dollar amount on the estimated savings from the DOGE effort to slash federal government spending at $55 billion.

    But an NPR analysis finds the numbers don't add up.

    The DOGE site's posts, reminiscent of a feed on the Musk-owned social media site X, say some savings come from sources like "fraud detection/deletion" and "workforce reductions, programmatic changes, and regulatory savings," and state that the full disclosure of the unit's actions will take time....

    .....In all, estimated savings from the initial DOGE list of just over 500 contracts that NPR found to be cancelled runs closer to $2 billion, with roughly half coming from the gutting of the Department of Education, the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau and the U.S. Agency for International Development.

    The contracts DOGE has targeted at these agencies include ending research studies into early childhood education improvements, canceling access to financial market resources and the proposed halting of billions in international foreign aid work. To check DOGE's claims, NPR compared the unique award ID from each hyperlink DOGE published with a list of more than 130,000 contracts that have been modified since Jan. 20, downloaded from USASpending.gov, another public data source to review government spending...."

    https://www.npr.org/2025/02/19/nx-s1...eral-contracts

    Lol gullible idiots.

    You Trump s will still claim fake news

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    I'm concerned that many people do not understand the historical and ins utional context in which the DOGE labor reforms are unfolding. They look at this as if these are some random, chaotic, arbitrary, strange, and even cruel measures to impose on a devoted civil service.

    The reality is very different, and I'm not even sure that Elon entirely understands this. For more than a century, even dating back to 1883, the civil service has grown and grown without check from the elected branch, either the presidency or the legislature . The bureaucracies have ballooned from a few to 450 or so. The bloat and absurdities have grown too.

    Get this: no one has ever known what to do about it. Not Coolidge, not Hoover, not Nixon, not Reagan, not Clinton, no one. No president has been able to crack this nut. The only reforms ever to have made it through are those that make the administrative state bigger, never smaller.

    Countless cabinet secretaries have come and gone, always with the intention of making a change but leaving saddened, demoralized, outwitted, outgunned, and ultimately devoured.

    No president has seriously taken on this problem because they simply did not know how. The unions are powerful, the intimidation from the deep ins utional knowledge is overwhelming, the fear of the media as been powerful, and every single president comes to power vaguely feeling threatened by the intelligence agencies. The industries that have captured every single agency were also far too powerful to unseat or control.

    This combination of ins utional inertia has blocked serious reform for a full century. No one has dared. No one has even had a theory or strategy about what to do about this problem. It had become so terrible that most people in politics have simply surrendered, like homeowners who know there are rats in the basement and bats in the attic but long ago gave up trying to fix the issue.

    All this time, the American people have felt themselves ever more oppressed, weighed upon, taxed and regulated, spied upon, brow beaten, and otherwise overwhelmed. Voting never made any difference because the politicians no longer controlled the system. The bureaucracies ruled all.

    The Biden years underscored the point. We didn't even need a conscious and present executive. We only needed a figurehead to pretend to be president, just like the Soviet premiers in the old days. The ins utions ran everything and the people controlled nothing.

    How to deal with this? Trump alone figured it out in his last term: he simply took charge of the agencies in a limited way. There were screams of horror and plots galore. They performed a long stream of clever schemes to destroy him and show him who is boss, which is not the democratically elected president but the forces behind the scenes.

    The job of the president, goes the message from all the insiders, is to PRETEND to be in charge but not actually do anything meaningful. Shut up, mug up, obey, and disturb nothing, let the administrative state do its thing without oversight or disruption, and then you will get your honorary library and bestselling autobiography and go down in history as great.

    Trump refused the deal and look what happened.

    Four years have gone by and Trump is back again, this time with a determination to slay this beast, one that he knows all-to-well. The efforts of DOGE and MAHA and MAGA are epic in scope, breaking a century of pathetic acquiescence toward the deep, middle, and shallow states, at last using moral courage to confront the problem head on, come what may.

    They are profoundly aware that they MUST act fast and with some degree of ferocity, even recklessness, else we will default back to the status quo of leaders who pretend to be in charge while the embedded system runs things behind the scenes.

    It has been this way for TOO LONG. The voters this time have demanded change, and mustered the faith to believe that change is possible. This is precisely what DOGE is attempting, to make good on a promise, a promise that for once the voters actually believed was credible.

    They simply must succeed. There might never be another chance. The way of failure is the path everyone knows the US was on, toward economic stagnation, political scolerosis, and eventual irrelevance in the unfolding of the next stage of social evolution.


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    lol reforms

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    DOGE is e at accounting

    posting isn't an audit

    Literally no waste and fraud have been identified -- try going to court with evidence and swearing it under oath




    One of the entries on the DOGE website, first reported by The Intercept, claimed to save $232 million by canceling a technology contract with the Social Security Administration. The only aspect of the contract that was canceled, however, was "a project to develop an 'X' gender marker for the agency’s internal databases." That cancellation, part of a larger anti-trans agenda, will produce $560,000 in savings. The rest of the contract is unchanged.


    Politico analyzed the data and identified "at least 14 instances where items are repeated, totaling $325 million in claimed savings." Among the duplicates was "a single $25 million item under the Agriculture Department" that was repeated four times. DOGE counted each vendor authorized to bid on the contract as a separate item. Actually, there are "only two finalized contracts from the vendors listed," and they have "been awarded less than $1 million."


    In other cases, DOGE claimed credit for canceling contracts that had already expired. Michigan-based environmental scientist David Reid decided to let "his contract studying invasive species in the St. Lawrence Seaway" expire on December 31, 2024, because he is planning to retire. He was surprised to find the contract included in the list of "savings" claimed by DOGE.

    Overall, the Washington Post found "417 of the deals on DOGE’s list indicate that they saved $0" because they were already completed. Another 51 canceled contracts collectively saved less than $1 million.



    The DOGE website links its claimed savings to information about the contracts on the Federal Procurement Data System. In several cases, however, the claimed savings and the linked contract do not match, raising questions about what contract — if any — was actually canceled. For example, "DOGE reported a canceled contract with National Jewish Health to support research on lung diseases," but linked to "a contract with the University of Oklahoma for cardiovascular research." National Jewish Health told Politico that it had not been informed that its grant had been canceled or cut.


    Along with contracts, the DOGE website boasts of $144 million in savings from "canceling or renegotiating 97 leases for office space and other real estate used by federal agencies." But, according to an analysis from the Washington Post, "[s]ixteen of DOGE’s 20 largest savings on real estate were calculated by assuming that those leases would otherwise have continued for another five years." In fact, "all 20 were already due to expire within the next two years — and most this year." The inflated savings accounts for $104 million of the $144 million of total claimed savings.

    https://www.muskwatch.com/p/doges-disastrous-accounting

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    TSA is probably the most gullible "smart idiot" on this subforum

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    Yonivore is back and posting 100 times a day here? Must've lost a job?

    The same guy who breathlessly argued on behalf of the GWB presidency is now breathlessly defending a President who got nominated in the first place by ting all over the GWB presidency?

    In ten years he'll be defending a Republican POTUS candidate who shows open disdain for the Trump presidency. These people have no conviction, they're just lonely and angry.

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    I'm concerned that many people do not understand the historical and ins utional context in which the DOGE labor reforms are unfolding. They look at this as if these are some random, chaotic, arbitrary, strange, and even cruel measures to impose on a devoted civil service.

    The reality is very different, and I'm not even sure that Elon entirely understands this. For more than a century, even dating back to 1883, the civil service has grown and grown without check from the elected branch, either the presidency or the legislature . The bureaucracies have ballooned from a few to 450 or so. The bloat and absurdities have grown too.

    Get this: no one has ever known what to do about it. Not Coolidge, not Hoover, not Nixon, not Reagan, not Clinton, no one. No president has been able to crack this nut. The only reforms ever to have made it through are those that make the administrative state bigger, never smaller.

    Countless cabinet secretaries have come and gone, always with the intention of making a change but leaving saddened, demoralized, outwitted, outgunned, and ultimately devoured.

    No president has seriously taken on this problem because they simply did not know how. The unions are powerful, the intimidation from the deep ins utional knowledge is overwhelming, the fear of the media as been powerful, and every single president comes to power vaguely feeling threatened by the intelligence agencies. The industries that have captured every single agency were also far too powerful to unseat or control.

    This combination of ins utional inertia has blocked serious reform for a full century. No one has dared. No one has even had a theory or strategy about what to do about this problem. It had become so terrible that most people in politics have simply surrendered, like homeowners who know there are rats in the basement and bats in the attic but long ago gave up trying to fix the issue.

    All this time, the American people have felt themselves ever more oppressed, weighed upon, taxed and regulated, spied upon, brow beaten, and otherwise overwhelmed. Voting never made any difference because the politicians no longer controlled the system. The bureaucracies ruled all.

    The Biden years underscored the point. We didn't even need a conscious and present executive. We only needed a figurehead to pretend to be president, just like the Soviet premiers in the old days. The ins utions ran everything and the people controlled nothing.

    How to deal with this? Trump alone figured it out in his last term: he simply took charge of the agencies in a limited way. There were screams of horror and plots galore. They performed a long stream of clever schemes to destroy him and show him who is boss, which is not the democratically elected president but the forces behind the scenes.

    The job of the president, goes the message from all the insiders, is to PRETEND to be in charge but not actually do anything meaningful. Shut up, mug up, obey, and disturb nothing, let the administrative state do its thing without oversight or disruption, and then you will get your honorary library and bestselling autobiography and go down in history as great.

    Trump refused the deal and look what happened.

    Four years have gone by and Trump is back again, this time with a determination to slay this beast, one that he knows all-to-well. The efforts of DOGE and MAHA and MAGA are epic in scope, breaking a century of pathetic acquiescence toward the deep, middle, and shallow states, at last using moral courage to confront the problem head on, come what may.

    They are profoundly aware that they MUST act fast and with some degree of ferocity, even recklessness, else we will default back to the status quo of leaders who pretend to be in charge while the embedded system runs things behind the scenes.

    It has been this way for TOO LONG. The voters this time have demanded change, and mustered the faith to believe that change is possible. This is precisely what DOGE is attempting, to make good on a promise, a promise that for once the voters actually believed was credible.

    They simply must succeed. There might never be another chance. The way of failure is the path everyone knows the US was on, toward economic stagnation, political scolerosis, and eventual irrelevance in the unfolding of the next stage of social evolution.


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    They're all doing the Officer Barbrady bit

    Except for Snake Boy and Thread, who can barely contain their homicidal glee

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    TSA is the king of confirmation bias.

    This is just a big part of Project 2025 with a ton of ketamime added.

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    I'm concerned that many people do not understand the historical and ins utional context in which the DOGE labor reforms are unfolding. They look at this as if these are some random, chaotic, arbitrary, strange, and even cruel measures to impose on a devoted civil service.

    The reality is very different, and I'm not even sure that Elon entirely understands this. For more than a century, even dating back to 1883, the civil service has grown and grown without check from the elected branch, either the presidency or the legislature . The bureaucracies have ballooned from a few to 450 or so. The bloat and absurdities have grown too.

    Get this: no one has ever known what to do about it. Not Coolidge, not Hoover, not Nixon, not Reagan, not Clinton, no one. No president has been able to crack this nut. The only reforms ever to have made it through are those that make the administrative state bigger, never smaller.

    Countless cabinet secretaries have come and gone, always with the intention of making a change but leaving saddened, demoralized, outwitted, outgunned, and ultimately devoured.

    No president has seriously taken on this problem because they simply did not know how. The unions are powerful, the intimidation from the deep ins utional knowledge is overwhelming, the fear of the media as been powerful, and every single president comes to power vaguely feeling threatened by the intelligence agencies. The industries that have captured every single agency were also far too powerful to unseat or control.

    This combination of ins utional inertia has blocked serious reform for a full century. No one has dared. No one has even had a theory or strategy about what to do about this problem. It had become so terrible that most people in politics have simply surrendered, like homeowners who know there are rats in the basement and bats in the attic but long ago gave up trying to fix the issue.

    All this time, the American people have felt themselves ever more oppressed, weighed upon, taxed and regulated, spied upon, brow beaten, and otherwise overwhelmed. Voting never made any difference because the politicians no longer controlled the system. The bureaucracies ruled all.

    The Biden years underscored the point. We didn't even need a conscious and present executive. We only needed a figurehead to pretend to be president, just like the Soviet premiers in the old days. The ins utions ran everything and the people controlled nothing.

    How to deal with this? Trump alone figured it out in his last term: he simply took charge of the agencies in a limited way. There were screams of horror and plots galore. They performed a long stream of clever schemes to destroy him and show him who is boss, which is not the democratically elected president but the forces behind the scenes.

    The job of the president, goes the message from all the insiders, is to PRETEND to be in charge but not actually do anything meaningful. Shut up, mug up, obey, and disturb nothing, let the administrative state do its thing without oversight or disruption, and then you will get your honorary library and bestselling autobiography and go down in history as great.

    Trump refused the deal and look what happened.

    Four years have gone by and Trump is back again, this time with a determination to slay this beast, one that he knows all-to-well. The efforts of DOGE and MAHA and MAGA are epic in scope, breaking a century of pathetic acquiescence toward the deep, middle, and shallow states, at last using moral courage to confront the problem head on, come what may.

    They are profoundly aware that they MUST act fast and with some degree of ferocity, even recklessness, else we will default back to the status quo of leaders who pretend to be in charge while the embedded system runs things behind the scenes.

    It has been this way for TOO LONG. The voters this time have demanded change, and mustered the faith to believe that change is possible. This is precisely what DOGE is attempting, to make good on a promise, a promise that for once the voters actually believed was credible.

    They simply must succeed. There might never be another chance. The way of failure is the path everyone knows the US was on, toward economic stagnation, political scolerosis, and eventual irrelevance in the unfolding of the next stage of social evolution.

    "The Civil service has grown and grown without check...." is just false hyperbole.

    I'll go ahead and not read the rest of the wall. Just like tsa.

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    Lol Stewart getting so worked up he cut his hand


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    You can't throw away the cons ution and break the law just because breaking the civil service is a really high priority for you

    Per capita, the size of the federal workforce has been fairly stable since 1960 -- it's the size of state government that's blown up, tbh

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    The size of the civil service is not some extreme emergency -- like terrorism, say -- that is allegedly so overwhelming that extra-legal remedies must be pursued.

    "How bad your side want it" isn't everybody else's emergency until you make it one.

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