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    McNeely is a lights out shooter. It's just that he has average athelticism and is therefore most likely an ok defender, but not a lockdown one. Would still pick him in the right range as he'd be a real rotation piece going forward. If you want shooting and elite D, Fleming is your best bet.

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    So, the white guys. Do you work for the Musk administration?
    ha…ha…ha…

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    Danny Wolf isn’t going to help stop these 20 pt runs opposing teams suddenly make out of nowhere during games. The key needs are defense and rebounding.
    12th in rebounding with 1.5 blks per game. Would you rather have Tai Jones all muscles no brain? I rather Spurs draft a high bball IQ who will fit in the system like Splitter and Diaw did

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    good point. You can also counter the spacing issues if you use the playmaking big as a ballhandler to initiate the offense (kinda what Cleveland does with Mobley and I guess that was the idea behind the Sochan PG experiment).
    Agree, I think that's what they were trying to do. Sochan's done the best he can with what he's got, but his fundamental issues are
    1. He hasn't shown enough shooting to space the floor and doesn't have the handling/vision to be a DHO hub, so he can't solve the spacing issue (yet)
    2. He's a little bit too wing-ish with his build; for some reason he looks smaller now than he did at Baylor, and while he's a very agile defender he isn't necessarily a physical one and can't really offer any secondary rim protection
    3. He hasn't shown the ability to punish a mismatch (yet)

    Sochan's a gamer and he's actually pulled off a reasonable imitation of what the ideal 4 next to Wemby is, but I think those fundamental issues may be holding him back

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    12th in rebounding with 1.5 blks per game. Would you rather have Tai Jones all muscles no brain? I rather Spurs draft a high bball IQ who will fit in the system like Splitter and Diaw did
    lol why is the alternative "Tai Jones" of all people?

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    lol why is the alternative "Tai Jones" of all people?
    Than Samanic then. The point is I rather they pick a high Bball IQ who will fit in what the Spurs are doing. If you watch Danny Wolf, he makes the right plays, sees the floor very well. I hate the comp to Jokic, but he’s been compared to Jokic because of how he sees the floor. Just my opinion, I enjoy watching Danny Wolf play, very smart player.

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    Than Samanic then. The point is I rather they pick a high Bball IQ who will fit in what the Spurs are doing. If you watch Danny Wolf, he makes the right plays, sees the floor very well. I hate the comp to Jokic, but he’s been compared to Jokic because of how he sees the floor. Just my opinion, I enjoy watching Danny Wolf play, very smart player.
    The guy said that the Spurs need defense and rebounding more than passing from a big. Maybe he's right, maybe he's not. I'm not completely against Wolf because I think his defense is actually better than advertised, but the fact that your counterexamples to Wolf are two of the worst basketball players to ever play isn't exactly arguing in good faith and makes your post lose a ton of credibility. It's like you're saying that high basketball IQ and defense/rebounding are mutually exclusive when they're clearly not.

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    Yeah, this is why I'm not too worried about jumping into the Top 4.

    Just keep surrounding Fox/Castle/Wemby with solid, Barnes-like players. I'm comfortable with our star power at this point. The only thing that would change that would be some unexpected horrible news that Wemby is retiring... in which case I will erect the Voodoo Shrine in my home and begin ritual sacrifices to land Flagg.
    As huge of a Castle fan as I am, he could still just end up a valuable role player as opposed to a foundational piece. So yeah I wanna be in the top 4 so get De'Aaron his wrist surgery and tank the season.

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    I agree people act like we are one player away from being legit Playoff team and I have to disagree- Just looking at our team we probably need to replace CP3 and Barnes is on his last year to old vets who brought stability to our team. The main issue is Vassell regression that really puts us behind the 8 ball if he continues to suck we are going to need to find a replacement.

    Also, need to find a good backup Center for Wemby or someone who can play with him and play down in the paint on offense like Wolf. I still don’t think the coaching knows how to play him on the offensive side is he a center or a shooting guard?

    So looking at next season we probably looking at a lot of turnover CP3, Branham, Blake, snd possible trades with Keldon and Vassell

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    I’d rather have Wolf since he already possesses basketball IQ. Bc gawd knows that this franchise can’t develop IQ for any of its players if they don’t already have it coming into the league. Give me basketball IQ please. I’m tired of watching complete morons try to play basketball.

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    I rather Spurs draft a high bball IQ who will fit in the system like Splitter and Diaw did
    100% agree

    This team needs more high IQ players. Too many dopes who ruin things in close games.

    Nate Duncan had a recent podcast with the guy from Thinking Basketball and they covered just how complex the offenses are now combined with how fast they are, and players need to be so quick in mentally processing the game, and same for defense.

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    I’d rather have Wolf since he already possesses basketball IQ. Bc gawd knows that this franchise can’t develop IQ for any of its players if they don’t already have it coming into the league. Give me basketball IQ please. I’m tired of watching complete morons try to play basketball.
    Why not shoot for athleticism + IQ.

    I'm tired of seeing other teams like what we have just seen with Detroit being more athletic and quicker down the court and to loose balls than the spurs. Duren shot 10-14 with 15 rebounds, he destroyed the Spurs with his athleticism down low.

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    I’d rather have Wolf since he already possesses basketball IQ. Bc gawd knows that this franchise can’t develop IQ for any of its players if they don’t already have it coming into the league. Give me basketball IQ please. I’m tired of watching complete morons try to play basketball.
    Concur. For some reason I don't have confidence in our coaches teaching BBIQ or shooting.

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    Concur. For some reason I don't have confidence in our coaches teaching BBIQ or shooting.
    then what the can they teach?! And why do we keep drafting players that can’t shoot?!

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    As much as I like Wolf, some of his defense is pretty bad. Watching that whole summation video against MSU, smaller guys turned a corner on him easily and he wasn't recovering very well at all. I know in some highlight videos he has a lot of recovery blocks from behind on plays like that but I wonder how many he just never is even close to getting

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    As much as I like Wolf, some of his defense is pretty bad. Watching that whole summation video against MSU, smaller guys turned a corner on him easily and he wasn't recovering very well at all. I know in some highlight videos he has a lot of recovery blocks from behind on plays like that but I wonder how many he just never is even close to getting
    NBA players are also much quicker than what you're seeing from college highlights.

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    First time watching Jakučionis this year, and he reminds me quite a bit of Topic.

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    First time watching Jakučionis this year, and he reminds me quite a bit of Topic.
    He looks better than Topic.

    But who is better, Jakučionis or Tre Johnson? They are going around the same area in the draft.
    I'll take Johnson over Jakučionis.

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    NBA players are also much quicker than what you're seeing from college highlights.
    That’s called players development.

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    Tre Johnson’s shot making is ugly as . Barely gets any separation, real basic handling. Reminds me of Vassell in the worst way possible.

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    Dylan Harper looks like a big 6’6”. In the same manner that Jalen Williams is. I would have no issues playing him at SF with both Fox and Castle in the backcourt.

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    Tre Johnson’s shot making is ugly as . Barely gets any separation, real basic handling. Reminds me of Vassell in the worst way possible.
    He looks good to me.

    Of course Harper is a top two pick.

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    Tre Johnson’s shot making is ugly as . Barely gets any separation, real basic handling. Reminds me of Vassell in the worst way possible.
    I've been watching Tre. I keep wondering the same -- "How does this crazy shot selection translate to the league? Where are his plays that make his teammates better?"

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    Tre Johnson’s shot making is ugly as . Barely gets any separation, real basic handling. Reminds me of Vassell in the worst way possible.
    And I should add that when I watch Ace Bailey, I wonder the same thing. I like his length, and would definitely choose him over Tre, but his lack of ability to create advantage off-the-dribble, having to rely on difficult fadeaways and turnarounds, is very Devin Vassell. I'm not excited about Ace's game.

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    As of last night, we don't know if Pop's ever coming back. Many are already eulogizing his career. There's a lot of media and team spin trying to promote that everything's gonna be OK with Victor, long-term. But no one knows what's gonna happen to Victor from here. I was dreaming about this guy as a Spur three years before we drafted him. June 22, 2023 was one of the greatest days in Spurs history. I've fully believed he was gonna be the new face of the NBA. But I think this health situation now changes everything.

    I get that the Spurs can't afford fan support to collapse when they're about to push a new arena upon the city, not to mention prevent next year's season ticket market from going bust. So it makes sense they're gonna spin Victor's health situation as positively as possible. When Pop's stroke happened, they did that too. Do I think Victor will play again as a Spur? No doubt. 100% yes.

    But I don't think we can *depend* on him playing a 65-game season again. That's not the same thing as me saying "he CAN'T play a 65-game season again". But I think his minutes are gonna be more managed than ever before, and I think it's gonna take a long time for his conditioning to return. No guarantee he'll ever be able to have the stamina to play a full regular season, plus playoffs, as the centerpiece of the offense and defense. Not to mention -- we've had 1-1/2 years of Victor so far, and we *still* hear, "Well, it's gonna take his teammates time to get used to playing with him, and how to get him the ball." Be ready for at least one more full year of that frustration, when he does come back.

    So all this being said -- I hope Victor plays his entire career as a Spur. I do think we can win a championship with him on the roster. But if we lose Pop as coach, I've always said that's gonna greatly harm our chances to hold on to Victor because I think that relationship is part of what makes Victor so wedded to the Spurs.

    This week was franchise-changing. And I don't blame the organization for trying to put a happy spin on it. But this is a very dangerous time. And I think the Spurs have to draft as if Victor is not a Spur. And again, that's not me saying "trade Victor" or "he's never playing again", but it's the only prudent choice, given the cir stances and unknowns. Draft as if you think only Castle and Fox will be here for the next three or four years, but beyond that -- every other position is up for grabs. Build a team that can make a deep playoff run WITHOUT Victor, and if he ever does reach his full potential, and he does choose to stay a Spur -- then look out. But I think it would be very foolish for the Spurs to think of this draft as anything other than "best player available", and draft top to bottom like it's one of their most critical drafts of the next 5-10 years.

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