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You really don't think much before posting, do you?
I doubt I want Sochan to be with Spurs in 5 years. There are plenty of players in this draft who can defend and makes a jump shot. I hope it’s PATFO priority to plug that gaping hole at 4, because Sochan is not it.
You really don't think much before posting, do you?
Jeremy is great for a high energy and hustle player coming off the bench to stir things up but that's it. He is just too dumb as a player to have any bigger roll then that.
Oh look who got his bad takes thrown back at him and can’t respond, so spew out random crap.You really don't think much before posting, do you?
Cunningham also got 7 TO. He was hot and took sochan to task a few plays, but he wasn’t the only guy on Cunningham. It’s like saying Wembys defense sucks after embiid hung 73 on the spurs.
Sochan didn’t start,and wasn’t on the floor for that first Q burst Detroit put on. If you’re going to go at him,you need to post the head to head stats matchup.
He started the third quarter instead of Devin, played 8:19, Pistons won it by 20.
Cade had 9 points and 3 assists in the third.
I won't put the loss on Jeremy, but at this point he's not a player worth adjusting to.
He's got a fundamentally flawed skillset. If that skillset works well with the rest of the roster, fine.
But if it doesn't, we shouldn't lose any sleep because of it.
He started the season with both hands \
moron
oh. I agree. He’ll be long gone by then. As the talent level improves he’ll get pushed down the depth chart. Right now he’s a good hustle player and he’s around Wemby’s age - so probably someone fun to hangout with.
I’m not one of those delusionals on here thinking he’s the second coming of Aaron Gordon or all star in the making.
The Spurs might want to consider drafting Anderson Garcia from Texas A&M late in the second round if they can grab a pick there, or otherwise try to sign him if he goes undrafted. He could be a Sochan replacement if Sochan doesn’t improve his shot.
Garcia is sometimes referred to as the ‘Dominican Rodman,’ rebounds, defends, passes, and does a lot of little things well. He’s not yet a ‘great’ shooter, but he can hit the three, and hit one in the tourney last year to send the game to overtime. I don’t see him listed on nbadraft.net’s mock, so he might go undrafted, but there were some NBA scouts at the game today.
As long as he is basically a non-shooter, Sochan propably won't be starting on a really good playoff team. I hope the Spurs will see things in a similar way when it comes to his next contract.
You're an idiot with too much time in your hands.
Never too late to learn stats
And pray tell how you’d interpret them and how I was wrong?
Lol are you suggesting that he regressed? That doesn't strengthen your argument, princess.
I am not surprised you have no idea what was the argument about.
cade is something like 6'6 with about a 7 foot wingspan, and is one of the better young players in the league, having taken a pretty big leap this year. he's averaging 25 and 9.5 per game, he's no joke, and was an all-star.
sochan's not going to win every matchup every time. but yeah... this is the type of player he was basically built to defend
You can make stats say literally anything you want, every PR , lobbies or political parties are using them to sell any narrative for a reason.
Go watch "Thank you for smoking" it might help u
Stats NEVER teach you anything, it can give you a trend or clearer view of stuf you've seen or can see.
Isolating a stat = creating the conditions of a stupid conclusion OR a convenient one.
What you're doing is basically looking for the stats that fit your narrative, you can do that even with the stupidest ones.
Our first convo before you went "Karen" on me was about Tre Jones and you did the same thing you're doing now with Sochan, ending up selling the fact that he's a good NBA PG because "look at the stats when he plays with Wemby!!" when I was defending the fact that he didn't move the needle, just was the only decent ball handler available and that Wemby being more handicaped without him didn't mean he was good, just that the others were terrible. You don't need stats to see that or explain this logic.
The same thing is happening presently about Sochan with your obsession to highlight that he's our best defender blabla When it's not only relative to the available personnel but it's also just one side of a coin if you just focus on the defensive end for ex.
The big picture isn't very flattering for Sochan but you conveniently pick what suits you.
Long story short stop using your stats to defend an opinion, it's absurd and you don't understand how to use them anyway
As for Tre. I’ve always maintained that he made the spurs better that year, which he did because we had no other PG to run the offence. Doesn’t mean he’s a good PG, means he’s a better PG than anything else he had. And he’s shown it. It’s just the you are too dense to see that.m
I don’t recall saying he’s the best defender on the team because that’s clearly wemby. He’s a good perimeter defender with clear issues on offense. But he does put a totally different dimension to how the spurs can play. When trained properly he can be extremely useful. I’d say his prototype is unusual and can help the spurs in many situations. He is an above average defender with excellent cutting to the basket.
You claimed I said those things? Bring receipts. You can’t because you’re making up and act like they are facts like you always do.
Last edited by ambchang; 02-23-2025 at 11:03 AM.
I know exactly what it's about. Jeremy Sochan can't shoot and it's evident to anyone with a brain that he hasn't put in any work on his shot. You are salty because he's Polish and you're an emotional baby. Defending your boy, you said that he came into the season shooting free throws with two hands, which is wrong, probably a lie. When caught in said lie, you try to act like I'm the one who is confused but your tenuous grasp of English combined with your thoroughly limited knowledge of basketball makes that impossible.
That’s not even remotely true.
Maybe I'm not remembering right, but I thought I did remember him shooting free throws in a game at the start of the season with two hands. Am I wrong? Maybe it was one game, or during the same game and he went back to one handed free throws in the same game.
I'm not going into ur mad convo, it'll be my last answer
As for Tre. I’ve always maintained that he made the spurs better that year, which he did because we had no other PG to run the offence. Doesn’t mean he’s a good PG, means he’s a better PG than anything else he had. And he’s shown it. It’s just the you are too dense to see that.m
I don’t recall saying he’s the best defender on the team because that’s clearly wemby. He’s a good perimeter defender with clear issues on offense. But he does put a totally different dimension to how the spurs can play. When trained properly he can be extremely useful. I’d say his prototype is unusual and can help the spurs in many situations. He is an above average defender with excellent cutting to the basket.
You claimed I said those things? Bring receipts. You can’t because you’re making up and act like they are facts like you always do.
You still don't get the point, you talk about "a series of diff stats" as if you were making a point when you're confirming mine. One or a (selected) series of stats doesn't change the fact that not only it'll always be a fraction of the whole picture but even if you had all the data potentially available it would'nt teach you more than what your eyes can see, because humans aren't robots and too many aspects of the games and human behavior aren't possible to transcribe.
What data can tell you a player is clumsy (like Sochan is) for ex? Only your eyes can.
The point is stop thinking coming with some data can make you win an argument, it's insane even if it's a habit in the NBA world.
Try to be humble maybe?
Maybe stop, like too many on ST, acting like whoever has a diff opinion is a hater or doesn't know ? It's fine to disagree, in the end one of us will be right, the other wrong and we'll go to the next topic.
As for Tre, you said a lot more than that, you were defending the fact that he should be part of the core and be extended as he represented a quality option as a backup PG. I said at that time and even more today that it was insane to envision keeping a player that had so many limitations on both sides of the court but you kept coming with your "data". Your only argument being as usual that I didn't "backup my claim with stats" as if watching Tre Jones being embarrased on D or a liability on O wasn't enough.
Lastly, regarding Sochan, the fact that after 3 seasons you think that the issue is that he isn't being coached properly is ... WTF Ok he has some excuses but he also has had a lot more help and advantages than the average rookie entering the league. PATFO literary offered him the starting position that even in college he never had!
People don't change, Sochan issues/limitations aren't just basketball/skill related and he's shown those enough in 3 years.
His ceiling is a defensive plug-in role player if he manages to be decent at shooting open 3s. He can't be seen as part of the core of a team, he would by default lower the IQ average of said team, which is a lack of ambition to me.
Spurs can find a lot better to develop with a lot higher floor.
Yes, he did start the season with both hands
Maybe he has but he is still shooting with a long hesitation on his shot.
The sooner the Spurs see Sochan as a backup PF and not try fitting him into positions he can't handle and stop gifting him starter's minutes and get a better PF the team will better for it.
Last edited by rascal; 02-23-2025 at 03:50 PM.
No more tweener 4 please. We had Keldon, then Sochan who can’t shoot. It’s really disgusting when Sochan pushes the ball hard just to stop mid-court to pass and set-up a half court offense. The opponents already knows he will pass! Playing with Timmy who can man the post against big man yes, but Wemby needs help against the likes of Zubac who likes taking 20 rebounds from Spurs. No more undersized PF please.
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