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Isn’t that kinda like what Collins and KJ did? Seems to be a pattern around the taco stand.
How times change.
I was on this board last June saying Vassell doesn't make his teammates better and that he's not a core player. There were a lot of Marthas clutching pearls -- "How *dare* you, sir! The disrespect!!"
Fast forward, and we've got a thread 19 pages deep, saying the same. I rooted for the Spurs to draft Devin because I thought he was raw, but might develop into a two-way starter who could make winning plays. When he was coming out of Florida State, I thought he was smarter than what he's turned out to be. Nope. Hasn't worked out. He's had 4-1/2 seasons. More than enough sample size. He can't create an advantage off-the-dribble in iso. And because of that, he doesn't generate stress to create advantages for his teammates. Can't stay in front of his man on defense. Not a good processor under situational pressure. His shot selection is notoriously poor, but he's talented enough to inconsistently make some -- which is what makes some say "Maybe there's a chance!"
Truth is his game can't be depended upon. If the Spurs are gonna use these last 28 games to boost his scoring numbers so he's a better summer trade asset -- please do. I stand by what I said last June -- the road toward consistently winning again begins after Devin is playing elsewhere. Team IQ will go up. Addition by subtraction.
I wish it had worked out better.
Last edited by Silverheart80; 02-23-2025 at 09:05 AM.
Isn’t that kinda like what Collins and KJ did? Seems to be a pattern around the taco stand.
I still maintain that his surgery has put things out of whack. Like how Garland had night a day difference between his last three seasons.
Garland had a broken jaw, probably couldn't even eat properly for months.
He got back to his usual level this season because of Atkinson, aside from his injury, last year they played in a system that didn't allow him to be at his best next to Mitc .
Devin was never that good, it's just that Spurs were horrible and he was the least horrible player.
A casualty of the horrible/tanking years. Wright got way too manic, uncharacteristically, giving big contracts to Zach and Devin.
A handful of us were beating this drum, all alone in the woods. Now it’s a full on drum circle after it’s become too obvious to ignore any longer. There are still a few stragglers, who tell us that Devin has turned a corner… but it’s about damn time people wake up to the Devin mirage. Hopefully Brian Wright can do the same.How times change.
I was on this board last June saying Vassell doesn't make his teammates better and that he's not a core player. There were a lot of Marthas clutching pearls -- "How *dare* you, sir! The disrespect!!"
Fast forward, and we've got a thread 19 pages deep, saying the same. I rooted for the Spurs to draft Devin because I thought he was raw, but might develop into a two-way starter who could make winning plays. When he was coming out of Florida State, I thought he was smarter than what he's turned out to be. Nope. Hasn't worked out. He's had 4-1/2 seasons. More than enough sample size. He can't create an advantage off-the-dribble in iso. And because of that, he doesn't generate stress to create advantages for his teammates. Can't stay in front of his man on defense. Not a good processor under situational pressure. His shot selection is notoriously poor, but he's talented enough to inconsistently make some -- which is what makes some say "Maybe there's a chance!"
Truth is his game can't be depended upon. If the Spurs are gonna use these last 28 games to boost his scoring numbers so he's a better summer trade asset -- please do. I stand by what I said last June -- the road toward consistently winning again begins after Devin is playing elsewhere. Team IQ will go up. Addition by subtraction.
I wish it had worked out better.
You're against a top four pick but a top four pick of Harper, Edgecombe or Tre Johnson will give the Spurs the ability to move off of Vassell and trade him in a package for another roster need.
Evin Asssell because there's no Defense or Victory when he plays.
Your reading comprehension is terrible.
Don't be a jackass
You're twisting words. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt by assuming it was just your reading comprehension. Maybe you're just a liar?
Just a day ago you were saying you'd rather not get a top four pick.
Here are my exact posts on the topic:
Yeah, this is why I'm not too worried about jumping into the Top 4.
Just keep surrounding Fox/Castle/Wemby with solid, Barnes-like players. I'm comfortable with our star power at this point. The only thing that would change that would be some unexpected horrible news that Wemby is retiring... in which case I will erect the Voodoo Shrine in my home and begin ritual sacrifices to land Flagg.
Honestly I'm completely content with the 10th and 12th pick in this draft (or wherever they land in the natural scheme of things)... and I'm completely content with trading one of those picks away like we did with #8 last year if the opportunity presents itself.
While landing a Top 4 pick sounds nice, and this is going to sound strange, I think it almost leads to too much of an embarrassment of riches. If we land Flagg, then there will need to be a pretty monumental shift in the way we think about our team. Castle goes from being part of our future Big 3 to more of a Derrick White-like supporting character. This sounds pretty awesome, but that fits Derrick White because that is Derrick's 90th percentile outcome, whereas it might only be Steph's 60 percentile outcome... so now you suboptimized Steph. The same is probably true of Dylan Harper, whereas with Edgecombe and Bailey they may be better suited as supporting cast for the Wemby/Fox/Castle big 3.
These are, as they say, winners problems... good ones to have... but part of me would kind of just rather see us build around our big 3 of Wemby/Fox/Castle with smart, solid role players - the Harrison Barnes of the league. This will also be more sustainable for our team.
I know this sounds counterintuitive and maybe even kind of stupid, because you should always want to add the best players you can, but I'm really excited about our future big 3 of Wemby/Fox/Castle and I want to see us build around them. I don't think a Big 4 is achievable or sustainable. BOS might be the closest with Tatum/Brown/Tingus/Jrue/Derrick... but they also have a roster that this ownership group will never pay for.
I'll be happy if we land a Top 4... but honestly if we landed 2-4 (I'm taking Flagg no matter what), I might be an advocate for trading that pick away. Would NOP take #2 and Vassell for Trey Murphy? Would POR possibly do #3 and Keldon for Camara and Clingan? I'd be targeting rebuilding teams with young up and comers on cheap deals... might be overthinking things though.
Neither of those say I am "against a top 4 pick" as you stated. So, which is it... do you have terrible reading comprehension, or are you a liar?
You're fine with not getting a top four pick. You clearly wrote as to reasons why a top four pick wouldn't be the best and part of you would rather build around Wemby/Castle and Fox.
I gave you another reason a top four pick can add another positive for you, to get rid of Vassell who you are not high on.
Bring Champ to starting lineup, better catch-shooter and defender. Let Vassell create his shots at 6th man. Mitch needs cojones to make the call.
Champ isn't very good either.
I'm fine with not getting a top four pick. That is not the same as "being against a top 4 pick"
We don't need to get a Top 4 pick to get rid of Vassell.I gave you another reason a top four pick can add another positive for you, to get rid of Vassell who you are not high on.
When you’re a catch-and-shoot but start doing “more” because you’re around the 2nd squad, then your weaknesses get magnified. During the championship years, players were “specialist” doing only what they do best. You start going outside that comfort zone, players make mistakes. Champ is a specialist who’s best at catch-and-shoot and play defense, ala Danny Green. Let him be that. Vassell on the other hand can create. It’s actually lessens his touches playing besides Fox. Then he starts overplaying the role.
Can he?
Last season Devin apologists were saying he has too much playmaking duties that push him out of his comfort zone and needs a better point guard next to him. I actually also believed that and thought he'd do better if he's able to just focus on scoring.
Then we got CP3, Devin was injured, but when he cam back he wasn't any better. Fine, adjusment period.
Then we got Fox who creates so much space for everyone and Devin continues being worse.
At what point will the excuses for Devin stop?
Castle was drafted as a non-shooter. Someone who will have to make a lot of adjustments to become a good scorer in the NBA.
Half a season later Castle and Devin have the same per 36 scoring.
Castle's per 36 is 18.2 on 42/28/73. Castle also averages 5 assists.
Devin's per 36 is 18.5 on 43/35/76. Devin is at 3.3 assists.
That's with early season stats included, Castle's shooting splits would be way better if it's just stats over the last few months.
One is a 5th year player who got a $140M contract. A player who's primary duty is supposed to be to score the ball.
The other one is someone who was supposed to be a negative on offense early on.
You factor in the defense and Castle is already at least a tier above Devin. But since this franchise respects family values and contracts, whoever makes the most money gets to play more.
He creates a lot of headaches... for fans of the Spurs, not the opposing team though
Mitch only playing Castle 13 minutes has distracted everyone from the fact that vASSell continues the bed. This is pathetic from a $27M/year player in his 5th season. Inexcusable.
We thought maybe adding Fox would give Devin easier looks and make him play better and he's only been worse. Dude just sucks.
vASSell 1/9 for 5 points today...against an awful Pels teams where he has the green light to fire away.
He's now scored single-digits in 4 of his last 5 games.
Gotta be mental at this point. Dude absolutely ing sucks right now.
Last edited by BatManu20; 02-24-2025 at 03:02 AM.
Where's Boomecstatic to tell us more about turning the crner
Sit him out for the rest of the season.Dude is out of it.
Honestly might be best for his trade value to invent some not-significant injury to shut him down for the rest of the season for
”Yes, Devin was struggling but you understand he had low turn signal fluid that needed surgery. He’s all fine now, you should definitely want him and his $27MM/yr”
MVP of team tank tbh. Unless it’s Flagg we get, the dude is literally getting us to draft his replacement and I love it. Vassell needs to be playing more minutes.
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