Hurley is a good candidate George Spurs head coach
I really hope we are not "feeling out" any more. We need to commit to bringing in some new players and bring in a coach where you can say, "These are your guys. It's up to you to make them play well together."
This was the last year I was (not rooting for losses but) accepting of losses for a good draft pick. I really hope to see some changes over the summer. By next year I want to feel sad at a loss and really get excited for game days.
Great thread, thanks for posting!
I'll preface this with being a bit pessimistic and as one who is not seeing the bigger picture here in a realistic way. I've lost the plot on the Spurs goals and methods.
These are the more meta concerns that I'm having:
1.) What is the Spurs System? Was it really just Pop, mostly?
2.) How much data do the Spurs need to see that whatever they are doing is not working on so many levels?
3.) Will bringing in more youthful talent improve a team with systemic issues?
4.) Why do we pass on athleticism and height and get so outplayed by teams with, wait for it..........athleticism and height? Do the Spurs FO and coaches think that they can coach up shorter, less athletic players? If so, maybe look at some data.
5.) When will it be time to bring in a fresh coach and system?
6.) Lastly, will it be too late when the Spurs finally move toward a fresh start?
Please don't tell me to step off the ledge. I'd love to hear how others are contextualizing this season and what the system here really is.
How are you seeing this team lacking athleticism and height? If anything, PATFO are lured by those two qualities and overlook poor shooting.
I see us playing undersized players out of position for a while now.
CP3 6'
Vassell 6'4" SF
Sochan 6'8" C
KJ 6'4" PF
Off the top of my head, HOU, MEM, DET even NO are killing us with their height and athleticism.
And, by no means am I even implying that shooting isn't also lacking. That's horrible, too.
I mean we are getting Flagg and then signing Naz Reid in the offseason. Our starting 5 is Fox, Castle, Reid, Flagg, Wemby and our bench is CP3, Barnes, Sochan, Vassell and Wolf. We explore options for KJ to be traded to the Pistons
Pistons are good now, they'd have no interest in a scrub like Keldon.
Best dream scenario but......probably top four pick?
Meh it’s my speaking it into existence scenario
If we get Flagg, I would not go after Reid as he is a PF/C and he would be really expensive for a backup. Fox, Castle, Barnes, Flagg, Wemby is actually not too bad. Then we need a backup center and another combo guard and of course unload Vassel's contract.
The fact that we got Fox gives me hope that the front office will do what they need to, to build a good team around Wemby this offseason.
It was fair for them to try and be sure what they had in Vassell, Johnson, Sochan will work or not alongside Wemby.
And the answer obviously is a resounding NO.
I can't say what the answer is but its definitely not these 3. Of the 3, i would keep Sochan, thats it. But probably on a bench role.
Me too, or if not significant at least some move made to get that third fringe star. The Fox move happened quickly, I think the FO is aware that they need to accelerate the timeline. Most worried about the coaching.
You can get away with that on the wing these days. Problem is most of our perimeter players cannot do anything well. Fox, CP3, and Castle are fine, but KJ and Vassell have been disappointments. We just need more talent and depth there overall. Someone who can hit a ing 3 maybe?
They definitely need more size and athleticism in the frontcourt though. Sochan should never be more than a spot minute, energy big off the bench. He sucks. Unlike most of the great teams, we do not have a versatile, athletic big. It would be nice to have one, preferably with size, and a 3rd string center.
I'm in full alignment with your perspective... I just already can envision the justification for doing very little with the roster over the offseason.
Is there any chance at all they cut Branham and Wesley to make room for the rookies coming on next year? It's really time to move on from these dead beats.
I'd like to move on from CP3 and re-sign Tre Jones if he's open to it. He had a rough season but he's still a good backup PG who's fine with coming off the bench and he had great chemistry with Wemby. Bring back Tre on 3 year deal and let CP3 go. Tre is younger, should be fine with a bench role and everyone knows each other.
My realistic dream off season as of todays draft standings.
Draft a 4/5 tweener big with a three ball at 9.
Trade the 11 for Cam Johnson and the 27. Draft and stash at 27.
This draft allows the Spurs to move on from paying Sochan if he doesn't develop a three ball over the summer.
Re-sign Tre Jones and let CP3 walk.
Explore KJ and Dev's trade market. KJ's value is probably getting out of the final year of his deal plus one or two second rounders in exchange for waivable player(s). Not sure what Dev's value even is right now coming off such a bad season. He's a sell low guy right now. Better off keeping him around and hope he rehabs his value.
Bring Mal and Wesley to camp and if they don't show improvement one or both of them should be waived before the season starts. Bring in some fresh prospects to occupy the bench.
No. We don't need or want any of the current or former losers.
No more family values or nice guys. Tre is a nice guy, but he's got no size and can't shoot.
Ideally, come 2026 the only current players who will be on the Spurs roster are Wemby, Fox and Castle.
Maybe Jeremy and Champ as cheap bench guys, everyone else has to go. We need to purge the losing culture.
That includes the coaching staff.
It's a classic case, if you can label something as "feeling out" or "figuring out what we have" you can avoid expectations which means you can avoid failing to meet expectations which means you get to keep your job for a bit longer. Bringing Fox into the fold will hopefully snap the front office out of that mentality, Fox is clearly looking to be in a winning situation in the prime of his career.
I am curious what they do with their draft picks this year, specifically the lower of the two 1st rounders we have (probably the Hawks pick). They could consolidate both 1st rounders and try to move up a couple spots or trade the lower pick for a win now player. If they punt it into the future (20131 style) that will tell me they are shying away from trying to truly contend next season.
I would not at all be surprised to see one or more of Dev+Keldon+Sochan traded this off season. If the Naz stuff turns out true, I can definitely see a sign and trade using a player from that pool to get it done.
I would not at all be surprised to see one or more of Dev+Keldon+Sochan traded this off season. If the Naz stuff turns out true, I can definitely see a sign and trade using a player from that pool to get it done.
Is there "Naz stuff" beyond him opting out (which was predictable) and some online Sports Book putting the Spurs at the best odds to land him (like they seem to do with all players these days)? Like, has there been anything actually linking Naz and the Spurs?
Nope - just the speculation
I said toughness, but meant more so physicality and strength. Johnson and Castle are the only ones with those attributes in their preferred rotation and the former's is often mitigated by playing out of position. Teams, especially big, physical, athletic ones, just play through these string beans.
Iden y or lack thereof is a major issue. This team is mediocre - bad at virtually everything because the only requirement is to come off as a perceived choir boy.
They've mostly targeted defense first and sometimes only with their 1st round picks, yet failed to build a good defensive team because they ignore outlier physical tools and play making on that side of the ball.
I'm also not convinced the Fox trade accelerated the timeline or means more significant moves are coming now that they have most of a core set. They were nudged into it and the price was too good to pass up.
I could easily see them thinking adding 1-2 1sts, replacing Paul's rotation spot with a big, mostly shifting others down to their more natural positions and beginning to build continuity is sufficient.
Wright should do a "state of the franchise" address at the end of the season and start by making it clear that this season was unacceptable and dismiss the excuses and x more wins despite it that'll inevitably follow from the sycophant local media.
I'm skeptical that Johnson has the presence or personality needed to be a head coach, but not the ap ude. No one would sniff a coaching job in the best league in the world without being well versed in the x's and o's, which are mostly genous and personnel dependent, while the rotational decisions are mostly politics.Glad you are finally coming around the idea that coaching is major issue for this team TD21. I mean I agree with you, that in this league, when all things are more or less equal, talent (elite one) carries the day irrespective of the coaching variable. But at the developmental/formative level it still matters. I would even argue they've failed to unlock Wemby as much as they should in his sop re season.
They story of this so-called improvement this season was the product of Wembanyama going on a torrid 7-week run-- from the first week of Nov until the second Denver game-- playing at essentially Top 5 level (all relevant adv metrics bore that out.. EPM, BPM etc..) and Paul proving he still has something left in the tank to floor-raise an offense to respectability. The moment both dropped off; the team cratered in their wake.
In a way, we really lucked out with the timing of Wembanyama’s diagnosis having already secured Fox, gotten ENOUGH of a look at the supposed original young core (Johnson, Vassell, Sochan), and seen the inadequacy of the crew/committee subbing in for Pop in what was trending somewhat like a 'lost season'. It would have been two if a laboring Wembanyama fell down with the DVT during Euro Basket or in a futile attempt to chase the play-in in mid April..
Developmentally, it's strictly based on results. I'm not naive enough to think other teams player developmental staffs know something the Spurs one doesn't, but the bottom line they've failed miserably for three quarters of a decide.
Shooting in particular, but generally speaking, who's the last "find" or out of nowhere hit? Champagnie comes closest, but even he is just an average shooter and defender. He just stands out on this team because he's not abysmal at either or undersized.
Can’t do it. That loophole has been closed. You have to wait a minimum of a year before you can re-sign a player that you traded away.
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