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It would have been Hill, since they signed him first and only had two Max slots. McGradynwas their consolation prize when Tim didn’t sign. Tim would have been ed.
I mean pop said he's aiming to return to coaching. Maybe 1 last season?
It would have been Hill, since they signed him first and only had two Max slots. McGradynwas their consolation prize when Tim didn’t sign. Tim would have been ed.
I thought I read back then they were trying to fit all three in. If Tim said yes, I think they were going to try and also figure out a way to get T-Mac there too.
They couldn’t at that time. There has been some fantasy retconning by the uninformed since, but they only had the two Max slots.
And, if Wemby left due to such a situation, you'll have the cry babies here ing about him for the next decade like Kawhi.So selfish and of course naive fans on Reddit with there “he should do what he wants.”
like this will make Wemby leave sooner than later. Stars are less loyal if there’s no direction. , Timmy nearly left the Spurs for Orlando. It’s a huge mistake and I hope someone tells Pop no but there’s no backbone amongst this organization.
This franchise has always worked that way in terms of the moves in the front office and coaching staff. Problem is, they actually used to have talent on the bench in those departments (and on the court) to cover up for their incompetence.
Not anymore. There has been a brain drain going on with the Spurs for years now.
No one is slitting their wrists, we're all engaging in discussion here on this Discussion Board. Maybe one of these days you can conjure enough of a valuable insight to contribute to it.
In the meantime, perhaps you and Mr. Body can collaborate on a thread of approved topics for people to not discuss, and whenever someone is in the mood for your condescending quips that contribute nothing to the dialogue, we'll check in there. I'm sure it will be riveting.
They had to gut their roster just to get the two max slots, hence trading Ben Wallace to Detroit in the Hill sign and trade.
I don't see any reason for concern, past years have shown us that Spurs coaching staff is still the best in the league and that everything that's been going on was a part of Pop's masterplan.
Uh oh, get ready to board the Chumpy merry-go-round.
I am guessing they would've asked Tim/Grant if they would take a little less each (ala how the Heatles did later) while moving even more money off the books. Tim ended up declining though so it never got to that point. At the time, TMac was a terrific talent but he was not considered to be anywhere near the level of Duncan and Hill, hence the "consolation prize" term being bestowed on him.
I'm just still surprised Duncan didn't jump at it. Pairing him with Hill (his injury wasn't expected to be too problematic at the time) could've been nasty. Playing in the eastern conference would've meant avoiding the Lakers until the Finals each year. An extremely short flight for Tim to St. Croix. Pretty close proximity to Wake Forest if that even mattered to him.
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Smh. I knew Mr. "Get over yourself" wouldn't be able to get over himself
Look, we all know Pop is an all timer and an absolute Spurs legend, no one is taking that away from him. but lets be real, we have the most sought after prospect in NBA history and we are failing him with this bull . Idgaf about what Pop has done in the past - he doesnt deserve to hold the franchise hostage just so he can have his swan song. We all appreciate his contributions to the franchise but that doesnt give him carte blanche to just around and leave the team in limbo while he works on learning to wipe his own ass again.
Holt Jr. needs to grow some ing balls and put an end to this . a 76 year old recovering from a stroke shouldn't be trying to get back to work, let alone a ing NBA COACH which is an incredibly demanding job. I get that this probably isnt how Pop wanted to go out but have some ing grace man, put Vic and the team before yourself and let them find a new coach. We ALL know he isnt going to come back and coach in any meaningful way. stop delaying the inevitable with this bull
Though the articles are puff, the real significance is that Pop continues to communicate that he wants to return. And it seems like Pop is active getting that message out. His silence would be expected. But this seems like something he wants.
Also, the mediocre staff has incentive NOT to convince Pop to retire because that increases the odds of their job loss exponentially.
So it's either Pop or Mitch again at the last second I imagine unless Pop decides to let Wright take over and make full decisions. Just my opinion.
one of the main reasons I want pop to officially step away from coaching is so we can get a new coach and clear house of all these useless bums we have on the coaching staff now. it's been obvious for awhile that the FO/coaching staff needs a complete overhaul and that will never happen while Pop is in charge. We need new blood in here badly, not another Pop lacky filling in for him until he feels up to teaching our guys about Africa and playing coach again
I'm sure an Express-News puff piece on how brave Pop is for this is coming soon, and how Holt Jr. should be applauded for his treatment of the elderly. Much courage, so brave.
I think Pop is just going to have to take his office job as President of Operations in place of retirement. Kinda like what Brad Stevens did. Stays with the organization but doesn’t coach anymore.
I am very interested in the Spurs this offseason. This offseason tells me a lot of about the organization and how it will be ran going forward. The Spurs have a top practice facility. They are in the process of getting a new arena downtown. They have a generational talent and will be looking to semi-compete next year.
My question is how all in do the Spurs go in coaching? I’d like to hire in someone young and fresh and sign big time assistants. They need to poach player development coaches from other teams as well. It’s pretty much time to cut Pop’s contract and spread it out to others. TBH we don’t even really need to change the amount of money spent on coaching. 8 million for a young coach. 4 million for head assistant. 3 million for a shooting coach. And a million each to the Cavs and Piston player development coaches.
At the end, what will truly matter is obviously what Spurs will do at the end of the season.
What they are saying right now is quite irrelevant to me. I won't trash them over that, especially since I don't expect them to tell the whole truth about the situation.
To me, Spurs' coaching situation is quite simple:
- Pop can't be back as a head coach.
- Spurs need to have a head coach for June.
- Even if Mitch Johnson was in a tough spot this season, he doesn't seem to be fit for that job.
Not only step away from coaching, but from everything as far as decision making goes.
Everyone inside the NBA circles has figured out Pop is way past it by now. I don't think any coach with a spine would want to take over with Pop looming in the shadows and making staff and roster decisions.
We can't get just a head coach, we need a complete overhaul. Maybe there are some people on the staff who are good enough, but considering our player development as of late, most of them are obviously garbage and we need a revolution.
Just get rid of this losing mentality. That includes the likes of Keldon and Vassell who are too far gone into unserious basketball ways.
The biggest issue is that we were too late in finding Pop's replacement. There are no reputable candidates available (everyone will say Hurley, but he has no NBA experience, if he's even available) and you can't have a revolution without experience and authority.
Not after we got Fox and the expectation is to win 50 games every year from the next season onwards, no exceptions. It would be a miracle if an inexperienced coach could handle that.
We don't have the luxury OKC and Memphis had since they got their young coaches while they were still bad. We should've done so last year.
I wonder if these are the organization's expectations. Or instead maybe we're entering into an era where ownership is content with just being a playoff team most years. On the surface, that doesn't seem to reconcile with investments in the practice facility and new arena, and it certainly doesn't reconcile with our history... but who knows. As many other have stated... this offseason will be very telling.
If we essentially just run it back next year with a couple of draft picks and some turnover of the end of the roster, with Mitch still interim for a maybe-return of Pop... then we might need to prepare to become the next Sacramento Kings.
No, you're making up scenarios in your head and getting frothing angry at them.
You can talk all you want, just don't act like your fantasies have actually happened.
This is the reasonable conclusion. I'll be as angry as anyone if this is dragged out past then. No reason to prepiss your pants.
If we're talking about priorities, my list would be something like:
#1 Wemby's health - there's nothing to talk about if he doesn't fully recover, we're a dead franchise.
#2 Coaching staff - I'd rather have the current roster with prime Pop (yeah, I know he'd kick Devin and Keldon out), than win the lottery with Mitch or current Pop.
#3 Roster - Nothing that can't be fixed right away if we have the right coach and system. We got our core players. It would obviously be better if we get the best roster possible, but as I said, coaching is a much bigger need for me.
The more I watch this team, the more I think disgustingly bad coaching is the issue. Even before we got Fox and Wemby got down it was obvious Mitch is completely lost. Wemby just masked it.
If this proves to be Pop not willing to face the fact that it's over or at least is deferring it until the last possible moment, I suspect Budenholzer could be back in play.
Even if Booker stays into next season, it's obviously over for this era of the Suns, which means cutting their exorbitant payroll will continue to be a focus.
They'd probably like to get out of his contract (according to Haynes, it doesn't sound like things between Booker and him are great anyway) if they could.
From the Spurs POV - what is the argument for Bud? Are we just willing to chalk up the end of his MIL tenure and his time in PHX to bad cir stances? Does he not have any culpability in the way things went there?
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