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High floor is important. Him being a friend of Pop's is probably even more important. I can imagine there being a short list of people Pop would be willing to step aside for, and Bud would have to be on that list.
Yeah, there are some serious question marks around him, but if available he'd be by far the safest choice with highest floor.
Right now we need to raise the floor and become a playoff team, we can worry about the ceiling in 2 to 3 seasons.
High floor is important. Him being a friend of Pop's is probably even more important. I can imagine there being a short list of people Pop would be willing to step aside for, and Bud would have to be on that list.
phoenix was a wreck last year as well. they disappointed as a 6 seed, got bounced in the first round. the west wasnt as good as it has been this year (memphis was down and out, houston hadnt really arrived yet).
all that happened in the offseason was that they got older and eric gordon left. they got Tyus Jones, who hasnt helped as much as most thought he would. but still, bud's inability to maxmize that roster is a fair question mark
with that said, i dont really hold the bucks ending against him. he won the le 2 years before he was fired. he got fired after a first round exit where Giannis was hurt (missed 2 of the 5 games, played 10 minutes in one of the other 3), and they lost to a Miami team that was on a serious heater (pun intended) and got all the way to the finals. and his brother died in a car accidnet literally in the middle of that series.
And didn't bud's brother pass away right when the playoffs started one of those years?
yeah just edited my post to reflect that
i think the bucks were very stupid to fire Bud. but i think its fair to criticize his one year in phoenix even though that was far from an ideal spot as far as the roster construction, flexibility, and unrealisitc expectations
He did well early on with Atlanta and then even ringing with the Bucks. He may not have the personality to deal with superstars. Giannis appears to have been a big part of why we was cut loose there and Kevin Durant, while talented, is a bit of a handful to deal with.
I've been dreaming of this day to come for years...
Thanks all who responded to my Bud question. I don't have any strong opinions about Bud, so I was wondering.
I kind of like the things that Fox has said about Mike Brown and wouldn't mind him returning as an assistant. With that said, if Bud got fired and we hired Bud or Mike Brown... would they be giving up their payouts from PHX/SAC to come here? Could that be an impediment to hiring them? I have heard something similar about Monty (who I don't really want anyway)
Is it possible the get paid and then if they get another job those payments stop, or is that not allowed?
Yes please.
I’d love a chance for the Spurs to get Vogel
Is Frank Vogel currently working on a team?
Do you think he's a legit good head coach?
No, and yes. He did a damn good job with the Lakers, and the Pacers before that. He even got this insanely dysfunctional suns team to 50 wins not that long ago.
I’d take him over Becky or Mitch.
Alright, sounds like he could be a good candidate. I knew he was a decent coach, but hadn't followed him closely. I'll have to look up he coaching record and maybe take a look at some of his rosters he's had to work with.
I just did a quick Google search and it seems Jason Kidd thinks very highly of him. Said he's helped his coaching a lot with the time he spent on the Lakers working under him. I read he's hired as a coaching consultant with the Mavericks. Not sure if he's still got that job with them now?
As far as I know, a coach that has been fired/let go by a franchise has to be paid the remaining money of his contract - unless another agreement is reached or unless he signs a new contract somewhere else which then terminates his old contract. For example, Monty Williams will be paid all of the money the Pistons still owe him for that ridiculously large contract they gave him - unless another franchise (let's hope it's not the Spurs) somehow doesn't realize how terribly out of touch with the current game Monty seems to be and gives him another coaching job.
As for Bud: I think we have enough evidence from his stints with the Hawks and the Bucks that he is really good at developing and forming a team into a functioning unit that can be decent in the playoffs. What he maybe wasn't as great at was adjustments deeper in the playoffs. If I recall correctly, he ran some really strange schemes that didn't put Giannis into the best possible positions even during their le run in the early rounds of the playoffs. But then again, as someone here already said, the Spurs are quite some ways away from being deep into the playoffs anyway. I think Bud would be a fine option for the next couple of years.
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Chad Forcier is one guy the Spurs should try out if they are moving on from Pop. Good assistant during the Spurs Renaissance years before he left in 2016. Currently with Bud's staff in Phoenix.
He was the development guy back in the day when the Spurs were doing better developing the young guys if memory serves.
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...-return-seasonSources told ESPN that tears were shed from those in the room during Thursday's meeting and players saw physical signs of what Popovich has gone through since the stroke.
But enough about Mitch Johnson and Vassell this season
I hope for the best for Pop. Who has done more for the city of San Antonio? He's given his all to the team and the organization. No question.
Basketball is his life and it must be what motivates him. With his future ability to coach and/or function as a 76 yr old, his "hope" to return to coaching is troublesome to me. Of course, I get it from his perspective. It feels like he could be holding the players, coaches, FO and the fans hostage as we wait and see how one man's unlikely/unprecedented return to the bench goes. It's a weird conundrum for the FO that Pop created. The absolute nightmare would be that we postpone the replacement search for a HC only to find that Pop is incapable of coaching and roll with Mitch again as a backup plan. That's a lose-lose scenario.
I hope a timeline and more clarity emerge around this by the beginning of the off-season.
As a wise [m]an once said, “The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one.”
Time to get over yourself Pop. Enjoy retirement. Don’t burn down your legacy, Wemby’s and Castle’s careers, and a billion-dollar franchise trying to cling to what you want.
Mitch needs to go too. Collins is actually doing well as soon as he’s under a different coaching staff, after sucking when Pop and Mitch were in charge. Time to see what a good coach can do for our remaining players, before they’re on other teams.
Exactly.
Yeah, I found this kind of surprising. Guess I shouldn't. Our coaches are genuinely terrible.
Yesterday: 15 points, 13 rebounds, 5 assists in 40 minutes
And most shockingly a +28 plus/minus in a comeback win.
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