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    The three things that would piss me off the most in this draft, in order:

    1. Houston gets Flagg
    2. Houston gets VJ/Harper
    3. OKC gets CMB
    I could see that being Phoenix’s misfortune

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    Rutgers is a top 10 team?
    Why Rutgers is that bad ? Having two top freshmens, should get you at least NCCA tourney bid

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    My current board going into March Madness:

    1. Cooper Flagg
    2. V.J. Edgecombe
    3. Ace Bailey
    4. Dylan Harper
    5. Kasparas Jackucionis
    6. Liam McNeely
    7. Jon Knueppel
    8. Tre Johnson
    9. Sergio De Larrea
    10. Rasheer Fleming
    11. Egor Demin
    12. Shaman Maluach
    13. Asa Newell
    14. Noa Essengue
    15. Jase Richardson
    16. Ben Saraf
    17. Will Riley
    18. Nolan Traore
    19. Collins Murray-Boyles
    20. Carter Bryant
    21. Danny Wolf
    22. Tyrese Proctor
    23. Derick Queen
    24. Johni Broome
    25. Alex Karaban
    26. Dink Pate
    27. Ryan Kalkbrenner
    28. Jeremiah Fears
    29. Boogie Fland
    30. Ian Jackson

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    My current board going into March Madness:

    1. Cooper Flagg
    2. V.J. Edgecombe
    3. Ace Bailey
    4. Dylan Harper
    5. Kasparas Jackucionis
    6. Liam McNeely
    7. Jon Knueppel
    8. Tre Johnson
    9. Sergio De Larrea
    10. Rasheer Fleming
    11. Egor Demin
    12. Shaman Maluach
    13. Asa Newell
    14. Noa Essengue
    15. Jase Richardson
    16. Ben Saraf
    17. Will Riley
    18. Nolan Traore
    19. Collins Murray-Boyles
    20. Carter Bryant
    21. Danny Wolf
    22. Tyrese Proctor
    23. Derick Queen
    24. Johni Broome
    25. Alex Karaban
    26. Dink Pate
    27. Ryan Kalkbrenner
    28. Jeremiah Fears
    29. Boogie Fland
    30. Ian Jackson
    Players I would like to draft

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    Why Rutgers is that bad ? Having two top freshmens, should get you at least NCCA tourney bid
    Bad coach, bad players.

    Ben Simmons was easily first overall his year and didn't get LSU into the tournament.

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    Cooper Flagg is the real deal.

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    My current board going into March Madness:

    1. Cooper Flagg
    2. V.J. Edgecombe
    3. Ace Bailey
    4. Dylan Harper
    5. Kasparas Jackucionis
    6. Liam McNeely
    7. Jon Knueppel
    8. Tre Johnson
    9. Sergio De Larrea
    10. Rasheer Fleming
    11. Egor Demin
    12. Shaman Maluach
    13. Asa Newell
    14. Noa Essengue
    15. Jase Richardson
    16. Ben Saraf
    17. Will Riley
    18. Nolan Traore
    19. Collins Murray-Boyles
    20. Carter Bryant
    21. Danny Wolf
    22. Tyrese Proctor
    23. Derick Queen
    24. Johni Broome
    25. Alex Karaban
    26. Dink Pate
    27. Ryan Kalkbrenner
    28. Jeremiah Fears
    29. Boogie Fland
    30. Ian Jackson
    Is that your overall board or your board for what order you'd like the Spurs to pick?

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    Is that your overall board or your board for what order you'd like the Spurs to pick?
    That's just for the Spurs.. If it was league wide I'd have Harper over Bailey as an example... they are both very talented and Bailey has more question marks, but the fit here favors Bailey..

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    That's just for the Spurs.. If it was league wide I'd have Harper over Bailey as an example... they are both very talented and Bailey has more question marks, but the fit here favors Bailey..
    Yeah if the Spurs get the #2 pick I'm definitely trading down as much as I love Harper given the potential Castle is showing plus having Fox in his prime.

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    Yeah if the Spurs get the #2 pick I'm definitely trading down as much as I love Harper given the potential Castle is showing plus having Fox in his prime.
    Exactly

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    That's just for the Spurs.. If it was league wide I'd have Harper over Bailey as an example... they are both very talented and Bailey has more question marks, but the fit here favors Bailey..
    I’m not sure if he’ll even come out, but I’d have Drake Powell in that Top 30 for the Spurs (just my own opinion)

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    Making a list of guys drafted in the last 10 years with first 20 picks who were primarily known as wing shooters and not much else. Did I miss anyone? Trying to see something.

    So far I have:
    Dalton Knecht
    Jett Howard
    Gradey
    Jordan Hawkins
    Corey Kispert
    Trey Murphy III
    Cam Johnson
    MPJ
    Kevin Huerter
    Lauri Markannen
    Luke Kennard
    Malik Beasley

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    That's just for the Spurs.. If it was league wide I'd have Harper over Bailey as an example... they are both very talented and Bailey has more question marks, but the fit here favors Bailey..
    I don’t see a Bailey being a Spurs type, based on his game. His asst/TO ratio is a fraction, and that’s a bad archetype overall. Kind screams black hole, and his other numbers don’t say NBA primary scorer. My .02, as always.

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    Making a list of guys drafted in the last 10 years with first 20 picks who were primarily known as wing shooters and not much else. Did I miss anyone? Trying to see something.

    So far I have:
    Dalton Knecht
    Jett Howard
    Gradey
    Jordan Hawkins
    Corey Kispert
    Trey Murphy III
    Cam Johnson
    MPJ
    Kevin Huerter
    Lauri Markannen
    Luke Kennard
    Malik Beasley
    Chris Duarte

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    Thanks. Follow up question open to everyone -

    How many guys on that list are you taking over Nickeil Alexander-Walker for this team (this year shooting 39.5% on 3s, 3.5 3PM/100 possessions), if you assume their current salaries and assume NAW is getting mid-level money this offseason?

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    Thanks. Follow up question open to everyone -

    How many guys on that list are you taking over Nickeil Alexander-Walker for this team (this year shooting 39.5% on 3s, 3.5 3PM/100 possessions), if you assume their current salaries and assume NAW is getting mid-level money this offseason?
    Interesting question - assuming NAW gets an MLE deal this offseason, the only two guys on the list I'm taking over him are TMIII (on his deal) and (on his rookie deal). Cam Johnson is the other one who comes close (based on his contract and role on this team, I'm actually not a huge Cam fan).

    Lauri is a better player but I'd rather have NAW at the MLE than Lauri on a max.

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    Interesting question - assuming NAW gets an MLE deal this offseason, the only two guys on the list I'm taking over him are TMIII (on his deal) and (on his rookie deal). Cam Johnson is the other one who comes close (based on his contract and role on this team, I'm actually not a huge Cam fan).

    Lauri is a better player but I'd rather have NAW at the MLE than Lauri on a max.
    Thanks. There's actually a "don't waste a top 10 pick on McNeeley/Kon and you should just sign/trade for shooting if that's a team need" hit piece lurking in there somewhere, I just haven't quite fleshed out the argument yet.

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    Age Height Wingspan USG STL% BLK% 3PT% FT% SOS (Kenpom)
    Rasheer Fleming 20.95 6'9 7'4 20.6 2.7 5 0.418 0.725 +0.47 (#137)
    Taurean Prince (Jr) 20.82 6'7.75 6'11.5 26.1 3.5 3.9 0.401 0.643 +10.2 (#13)
    Keegan Murray (Fr) 20.82 6'8 7' 18 2.4 7.2 0.296 0.755 +16.4 (#20)
    Keegan Murray (So) 21.82 6'8 7' 28.1 2.3 6.4 0.398 0.747 +7.3 (#61)
    Tari Eason 21.11 6'8 7'2" 30.8 4.6 6.5 0.36 0.803 +9.1 (#26)

    Best comps that I can currently come up with for Rasheer Fleming right now. Big wings who can defend and can hit the 3, but don't have much self-creation potential. Fleming's got an easier pathway to success given his wingspan / physical tools. but he's really playing against trash compe ion and his numbers should honestly be better than they are considering how much more physically dominant he is than everyone he's playing against. Tari Eason seems a little too optimistic, but I think Keegan Murray may a realistic outcome here if he develops well, which would be a valuable piece for this team. Taurean Prince is probably more like his floor.

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    Thanks. There's actually a "don't waste a top 10 pick on McNeeley/Kon and you should just sign/trade for shooting if that's a team need" hit piece lurking in there somewhere, I just haven't quite fleshed out the argument yet.
    We need more than one shooter, and if the team is successful, NAW may turn into the new KCP, the guy that gets poached to finish out your championship rotation.

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    I’m not sure if he’ll even come out, but I’d have Drake Powell in that Top 30 for the Spurs (just my own opinion)
    I had Powell around 25, I believe, earlier in the season. The more I watch him though, the less I see him translate. I certainly could be wrong though.

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    both fleming and mcneeley had bad games yesterday.

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    I don’t see a Bailey being a Spurs type, based on his game. His asst/TO ratio is a fraction, and that’s a bad archetype overall. Kind screams black hole, and his other numbers don’t say NBA primary scorer. My .02, as always.
    If you're looking at his numbers now, then you make a valid argument. My position is two-fold regarding Ace. 1) I don't think he is being coached in a way that accentuates his game (he's allowed to let poor natural tendencies dominate his game), and 2) I expect him to be developed here in a way that helps his talent be utilized in a way that accentuates Wemby and is beneficial to Ace. He's got all the talent needed, it just has to be streamlined and honed into something that can be very valuable.

    That's my opinion at least..

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    If you're looking at his numbers now, then you make a valid argument. My position is two-fold regarding Ace. 1) I don't think he is being coached in a way that accentuates his game (he's allowed to let poor natural tendencies dominate his game), and 2) I expect him to be developed here in a way that helps his talent be utilized in a way that accentuates Wemby and is beneficial to Ace. He's got all the talent needed, it just has to be streamlined and honed into something that can be very valuable.

    That's my opinion at least..
    We’re all en led to our opinions. For example, I think those poor natural tendencies of Bailey will always manifest under pressure, no matter who coaches him. Old saying: you are who you are under pressure.

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    If you're looking at his numbers now, then you make a valid argument. My position is two-fold regarding Ace. 1) I don't think he is being coached in a way that accentuates his game (he's allowed to let poor natural tendencies dominate his game), and 2) I expect him to be developed here in a way that helps his talent be utilized in a way that accentuates Wemby and is beneficial to Ace. He's got all the talent needed, it just has to be streamlined and honed into something that can be very valuable.

    That's my opinion at least..
    You can say this about any poor performing player in college.

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    We’re all en led to our opinions. For example, I think those poor natural tendencies of Bailey will always manifest under pressure, no matter who coaches him. Old saying: you are who you are under pressure.
    I know you do. That's always been a difference in our personal perspectives. You see analytics as being close to an ironclad forecast of what a guy will ultimately be. I see it as one of many tools and compare it to other attributes to make forecast. I don't think a players future is determined by that alone. It's just different perspectives...

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