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    You can say this about any poor performing player in college.
    I could, but I don't. Why? What's the difference? In this case, it's talent + coachability. I don't see many players with this kind of talent to work with and I don't see Ace as some uncoachable kid who's refusing to be coached. That differentiates him from just 'any poorly performing player' in college.

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    To be clear, I don’t put too much weight on basic counting stats for college guys, but I do look at a few second level things like Asst/TO.

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    To be clear, I don’t put too much weight on basic counting stats for college guys, but I do look at a few second level things like Asst/TO.
    Fair enough..

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    I know you do. That's always been a difference in our personal perspectives. You see analytics as being close to an ironclad forecast of what a guy will ultimately be. I see it as one of many tools and compare it to other attributes to make forecast. I don't think a players future is determined by that alone. It's just different perspectives...
    To be fair, anyone who relies purely on analytics would not have had Castle anywhere near top 5 last year

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    both fleming and mcneeley had bad games yesterday.
    as did fears (2-14 fg) and tre johnson (0-14). Mamba mentality

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    To be fair, anyone who relies purely on analytics would not have had Castle anywhere near top 5 last year
    I recall they said Sheppard has a really good advanced stats

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    Age Height Wingspan USG STL% BLK% 3PT% FT% SOS (Kenpom)
    Rasheer Fleming 20.95 6'9 7'4 20.6 2.7 5 0.418 0.725 +0.47 (#137)
    Taurean Prince (Jr) 20.82 6'7.75 6'11.5 26.1 3.5 3.9 0.401 0.643 +10.2 (#13)
    Keegan Murray (Fr) 20.82 6'8 7' 18 2.4 7.2 0.296 0.755 +16.4 (#20)
    Keegan Murray (So) 21.82 6'8 7' 28.1 2.3 6.4 0.398 0.747 +7.3 (#61)
    Tari Eason 21.11 6'8 7'2" 30.8 4.6 6.5 0.36 0.803 +9.1 (#26)

    Best comps that I can currently come up with for Rasheer Fleming right now. Big wings who can defend and can hit the 3, but don't have much self-creation potential. Fleming's got an easier pathway to success given his wingspan / physical tools. but he's really playing against trash compe ion and his numbers should honestly be better than they are considering how much more physically dominant he is than everyone he's playing against. Tari Eason seems a little too optimistic, but I think Keegan Murray may a realistic outcome here if he develops well, which would be a valuable piece for this team. Taurean Prince is probably more like his floor.
    The problem with this as a comp, is that you're comparing him to a bunch of NBA wings. Rasheer may be a big in the NBA; he's pretty stiff moving on the perimeter...

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    The problem with this as a comp, is that you're comparing him to a bunch of NBA wings. Rasheer may be a big in the NBA; he's pretty stiff moving on the perimeter...
    He’s nowhere near as stiff as you claim tbh

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    I recall they said Sheppard has a really good advanced stats
    yes, advanced stats were the reason why a lot of ppl, myself included, had Sheppard either very high. But if you’re relying exclusively on advanced stats, you’re not taking Castle very high at all, you probably would have taken Edey or clingan.

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    Michigan at Michigan St. coming up in an hour. Plot twist: My main interstest will be Jase Richardson, not Danny Wolf. Richardson has mostly avoided my radar because he's a 6'3" combo guard, which does not make a lot of sense in terms of team needs, but the formula suddenly changes if Vassell gets traded.

    It's easy to compare him to Fox because he's a lefty and about the same size, and has a similar game around the basket; just a little slower than Fox (most are), but with a better 3-point shot. Currently projected as a mid-first, but could easily boost his stock over the next month.

    Tankathon profile: https://www.tankathon.com/players/jase-richardson

    Some recent highlights for those who have not checked him out. If his three-point falls in the NBA, he could crack the rotation with ease.


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    Michigan at Michigan St. coming up in an hour. Plot twist: My main interstest will be Jase Richardson, not Danny Wolf. Richardson has mostly avoided my radar because he's a 6'3" combo guard, which does not make a lot of sense in terms of team needs, but the formula suddenly changes if Vassell gets traded.

    It's easy to compare him to Fox because he's a lefty and about the same size, and has a similar game around the basket; just a little slower than Fox (most are), but with a better 3-point shot. Currently projected as a mid-first, but could easily boost his stock over the next month.

    Tankathon profile: https://www.tankathon.com/players/jase-richardson

    Some recent highlights for those who have not checked him out. If his three-point falls in the NBA, he could crack the rotation with ease.

    Sheppard/McCain type guy without Sheppard’s hands or McCain’s functional strength tbh. Needs some stuff to go right for him to hit high end outcomes, but high processing and shooting makes him a nice bet as a third guard right now and possibly as a fox replacement long term who generates gravity by shooting rather than driving. If that Atlanta pick lands mid first like 15-18, I’m interested for sure

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    I’m still far from having strong opinions on the draft (i don’t really watch college ball with any regularity, i just study up during draft season)… but I’m really warming on Fleming

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    Sheppard/McCain type guy without Sheppard’s hands or McCain’s functional strength tbh. Needs some stuff to go right for him to hit high end outcomes, but high processing and shooting makes him a nice bet as a third guard right now and possibly as a fox replacement long term who generates gravity by shooting rather than driving. If that Atlanta pick lands mid first like 15-18, I’m interested for sure
    Thanks for the reminder. Still like Wolf

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    Sheppard/McCain type guy without Sheppard’s hands or McCain’s functional strength tbh. Needs some stuff to go right for him to hit high end outcomes, but high processing and shooting makes him a nice bet as a third guard right now and possibly as a fox replacement long term who generates gravity by shooting rather than driving. If that Atlanta pick lands mid first like 15-18, I’m interested for sure
    That pick going from a top 10 or a top 4 with some luck to Jase Richardson. Not looking good.

    Spurs likely to unload it in a trade like they did with the Toronto pick. Spurs might be coming out of this draft with just McNeely.

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    Epic bad joint shooting between Johnson and Fears last night.

    I'm out on Fears. We already have a tiny chucker who doesn't do much else in Fox.

    Texas' coaching is so bad. They'll bog down then give the ball to Tre to do something without any actions. He doesn't have the shake or handles to break defenses down that are keyed in on him. I do like that he's finding ways to contribute with rebounds and assists. I don't like him as a first option, but he's far better than a McNeely as an offensive threat.

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    We already have a tiny chucker who doesn't do much else in Fox.
    Does spewing nonsense and posting that's straight up wrong make you feel better?

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    That pick going from a top 10 or a top 4 with some luck to Jase Richardson. Not looking good.

    Spurs likely to unload it in a trade like they did with the Toronto pick. Spurs might be coming out of this draft with just McNeely.
    What is your plan personally if the spurs picks end up at 9 and 16?

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    We need more than one shooter, and if the team is successful, NAW may turn into the new KCP, the guy that gets poached to finish out your championship rotation.
    Don’t disagree with any of that, it’s more about the utility of drafting shooting only types who have weak defense and can’t self-create, vs betting on guys who can self create in a similar draft slot or defend in later draft slots with a weaker shooting signal. Also about the ability to sign shooting specialists or acquire them via trade

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    Does spewing nonsense and posting that's straight up wrong make you feel better?
    Let me know whenever that happens.

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    Let me know whenever that happens.
    He did.

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    Don’t disagree with any of that, it’s more about the utility of drafting shooting only types who have weak defense and can’t self-create, vs betting on guys who can self create in a similar draft slot or defend in later draft slots with a weaker shooting signal. Also about the ability to sign shooting specialists or acquire them via trade
    The problem with signing and trading for guys is that you’re never going to get them as cheaply as even a top 10 pick. The best bet is probably a mixture of draftees and signees
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    Nah.

    But whatever. We already have a tiny chucker who doesn't do much else and don't need Fears. That's not really debatable.

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    Nah.

    But whatever. We already have a tiny chucker who doesn't do much else and don't need Fears. That's not really debatable.
    Oh, shut the up you pathological liar.
    Fox can't be tiny because he's got above average size for a point guard, anyone who actually watches games sees it.

    He also can't be someone who's "not doing much else" because he's averaging 6.7 assists and just 2.4 turnovers.
    Joined mid-season during a road trip, had no knowledge of the system and played with just one new teammate before.
    All that while playing out of position because CP3 has to start and be the primary playmaker.

    Also averaging 1.7 steals.

    All the you spew is objectively wrong, it's not even up for debate.
    You're just a re who wants to be edgy for the sake of it, then when 99% of the forum exposes you and proves you wrong you disappear for a bit, only to reappear after a while and just continue with a new awful take because you obviously have some kind of condition and I really shouldn't be engaging with a person who has serious mental issues.

    Does your brain really think there's actually a possibility of you being right and everyone else being wrong for any of your takes? Are you that arrogant?

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    Michigan senior center Goldin with 29 pts of 9-12 shooting on a losing effort. 7’1 250 big but 24 yrs old at the day of the draft. Very good post player, can hit the 3. Can be a good 2nd round backup big.

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    I feel very strongly we should come away with Khaman Maluach in this draft. First of all, backup C is a pressing need for us. Second, Maluach is the best center prospect in this draft and is right around our draft range.

    It’s a match made in heaven.

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