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    I’m really starting to warm up to the idea of drafting Derik Queen with the Spurs 1st pick unless they move up to #1 overall. Him and Wemby could be a deadly offensive combination. Jumbo pick and role. Queen can also demand a double team in the post and high post. I believe he could develop a 3-pt shot as well. I’m not as worried about defense because the spurs already have enough of that. Outside of him Dylan Harper and Tre Johnson I both like but they would need high volume to be effective. Otherwise I’m team draft the best shooter. I haven’t made a board yet but Queen will be very high.


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    Kinda worried about Harper and Bailey. How are they supposed to be the #2 and #3 picks and together can't even take Rutgers to a .500 record and the NCAA tournament?

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    Kinda worried about Harper and Bailey. How are they supposed to be the #2 and #3 picks and together can't even take Rutgers to a .500 record and the NCAA tournament?
    This kind of thinking is likely aligned with how the Spurs think too. The Spurs value winning players from winning programs because those types of players have the propensity to make winning plays and have advanced basketball IQ.



    Spin moves in the post, fadeaway jumpers, physical in the paint, slithers and finds angles, dribbles with his left and right… all things that would remind people of DeMar. The kid has an advanced skillset and doesn’t seem afraid of the moment. He knows damn well what he’s capable of and that kind of confidence is what the Spurs normally pursue.

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    Would you draft a slightly taller Cam Spencer with the 9th pick? That's Kneupple

    How is he much different than Cam Spencer?
    Same style player as Cam Spencer

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    I don't ever remember seeing a player wear long sleeves in a game. Didn't think it was allowed?

    Interesting point about Bailey and Harper. Didn't realize their team isn't very good. Doesn't mean either won't be good/great at the NBA level, but it's not very reassuring. I don't know if it means anything, though. Have there been other NBA greats who's team has done poorly in the NCAA?

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    This is what I said about him in early February:

    “Kon Knueppel
    The good: best shooting stroke among all the freshmen; has the potential for true movement shooting; shooting 87% FT, 38% 3s on high rate with higher degree of difficulty than just spot ups; Surprisingly underrated defender - top 10 in freshman defensive BPR this year and moves his feet well, good positioning; 3:1 AST:TO indicates good decision-making, sometimes used as an initiator at Duke indicates playmaking potential at the next level
    The bad: short (there is no way in he's 6'7"), stubby arms, limited athleticism. 3 point % drops off a cliff the better the compe ion gets, suggesting he may not be able to get his shot off against more athletic defenders at the next level (40% against trash ACC compe ion, 31% vs top 100 compe ion, 23% vs top 50 compe ion). If it wasn't for the athleticism concerns he might have some Desmond Bane equity, but the numbers against good teams make that a lot less likely”

    I think it still holds true today - looks like Reddit is catching on to the Desmond bane comp now and I think that’s still probably his 70th percentile outcome. His vertical athleticism seems worse but his passing is more advanced relative to age. I do want to see how he does in the tournament against some better teams before I fully buy in though.
    I hadn’t seen your post in February but my thoughts on him are exactly the same—especially the bad. The fact that two different people independently came to the same assessment says a lot.

    And this is coming from somebody who likes Kneuppel and wants him to succeed.

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    If we can get Kon with the Atlanta pick, I would be absolutely thrilled. But with our own pick, I think we should aim for somebody with more upside. And by that, I mean better physical tools.

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    I don't ever remember seeing a player wear long sleeves in a game. Didn't think it was allowed?

    Interesting point about Bailey and Harper. Didn't realize their team isn't very good. Doesn't mean either won't be good/great at the NBA level, but it's not very reassuring. I don't know if it means anything, though. Have there been other NBA greats who's team has done poorly in the NCAA?
    Just makes me think Ben Simmons again. That should have been such a huge red flag that the next Magic/LeBron couldn't even make the tourney when the real Magic won it all including having to go through Bird.

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    If we can get Kon with the Atlanta pick, I would be absolutely thrilled. But with our own pick, I think we should aim for somebody with more upside. And by that, I mean better physical tools.
    Yeah, let’s get more players who have all the athletic ability with no brain between the ears like Ace or Tre Johnson. It’s like y’all haven’t learned from the low IQ nonsense we’ve been watching these past couple of years and want to keep being satisfied with players with losing tendencies because they’re capped out on basketball fundamentals. Tired of drafting losers tbh.

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    Just makes me think Ben Simmons again. That should have been such a huge red flag that the next Magic/LeBron couldn't even make the tourney when the real Magic won it all including having to go through Bird.
    OK, darn, didn't know Simmons' team (didn't even want to say his name) was that poor in college. That makes total sense how he's played as a pro. He never proved anything before entering the NBA it looks like, and has underachieved the whole time he's been in the NBA too.

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    We have had too many losses where we are bombarded by 3’s and the team can’t do anything about it.

    You don’t fight 3 points with more players who can only score 2 points or does not playmake for others who can shoot the 3

    You don’t defend 3 pointers with more players who aren’t that much better or smarter at defending the 3 than your current group

    So whoever we get from this point forward has to meet one of the following:
    1) shoot the 3 (Not learn it after several years)
    2) defend the 3
    3) drive and dish/ set up other 3 pt shooters

    obviously newell meets none of those.

    secondary need is a big who is physical and strong. Newell is more finesse than power so again, I do not see where the fit is. At best, I could see a Brandon Clarke type career for Newell and that kind of talent isn’t enough.
    We need rebounding desperately. To many times teams “bombard us” (as you say) with 3s strategically since they know there’s a good chance they’ll get a second shot opportunity if/when they brick it. Was reading Asa was supposed to be one of the better rebounders this draft, though they can also get that help in FA I suppose.

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    ty, ty D though.

    Like really bad.

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    Yeah, let’s get more players who have all the athletic ability with no brain between the ears like Ace or Tre Johnson. It’s like y’all haven’t learned from the low IQ nonsense we’ve been watching these past couple of years and want to keep being satisfied with players with losing tendencies because they’re capped out on basketball fundamentals. Tired of drafting losers tbh.
    Let's keep trying to win with a less athletic team. Bailey has far more upside and is already better than Kon and is a better fit for the Spurs. Spurs are solid at guard and need more on the frontline, players who can shoot.

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    ty, ty D though.

    Like really bad.
    Yeah, it was so bad that he was the anchor of the defense that held Illinois to 65 while his team scored 88 tbh.

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    Yeah, let’s get more players who have all the athletic ability with no brain between the ears like Ace or Tre Johnson. It’s like y’all haven’t learned from the low IQ nonsense we’ve been watching these past couple of years and want to keep being satisfied with players with losing tendencies because they’re capped out on basketball fundamentals. Tired of drafting losers tbh.
    The issue is that our roster is both low IQ and unathletic.

    Wemby, Fox and Castle aside, everyone else is either dumb or unathletic.

    Devin is an a bit above average athlete, but low IQ.
    Keldon is a good athlete, but has no bball IQ whatsoever.
    Jeremy is also a solid athlete, but has subpar IQ and lacks some fundamental basketball skills.

    Is it a coincidence that the only positive contributors on our roster are both athletic and have positive IQ?
    Barnes is still a solid athlete and obviously a smart player.
    CP3 is the only exception when it comes to athleticism, but his bball IQ is probably the highest in the league alongside Lebron and Jokic.

    Top teams have moved past the era of one-dimensional players. Spurs need to find players who have good understanding of the game, positive athleticism and can shoot the ball.
    Easier said and done, but that's just how it works. Estimating who can translate their game to the NBA is the most difficult part of the job, but that's why front office people are paid while we just guesstimate stuff.

    I don't follow college basketball that closely, but unless we get a top5 pick and someone is a must pick regardless of their position, we need to get wings who can't shoot. We dont need any more guards and we can't afford to have any more non-shooters.

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    Let's keep trying to win with a less athletic team. Bailey has far more upside and is already better than Kon and is a better fit for the Spurs. Spurs are solid at guard and need more on the frontline, players who can shoot.
    Wait... at what point are we talking about Knueppel? I like him myself, but not top 4. I assumed we are talking about where we are projected to pick.

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    The issue is that our roster is both low IQ and unathletic.

    Wemby, Fox and Castle aside, everyone else is either dumb or unathletic.

    Devin is an a bit above average athlete, but low IQ.
    Keldon is a good athlete, but has no bball IQ whatsoever.
    Jeremy is also a solid athlete, but has subpar IQ and lacks some fundamental basketball skills.

    Is it a coincidence that the only positive contributors on our roster are both athletic and have positive IQ?
    Barnes is still a solid athlete and obviously a smart player.
    CP3 is the only exception when it comes to athleticism, but his bball IQ is probably the highest in the league alongside Lebron and Jokic.

    Top teams have moved past the era of one-dimensional players. Spurs need to find players who have good understanding of the game, positive athleticism and can shoot the ball.
    Easier said and done, but that's just how it works. Estimating who can translate their game to the NBA is the most difficult part of the job, but that's why front office people are paid while we just guesstimate stuff.

    I don't follow college basketball that closely, but unless we get a top5 pick and someone is a must pick regardless of their position, we need to get wings who can't shoot. We dont need any more guards and we can't afford to have any more non-shooters.
    You listed two guys with the IQ I’m wishing for who are the two main reasons the team isn’t at the bottom of the standings. If we had more guys like that with even average athleticism (which comes from being younger), it would elevate the team even more. What do you think happens to this team if we added one more young Keldon, one more young Sochan, and one more young Vassell? Now what do you think happens when we add one more young Barnes and one more young Paul? The second team wins.

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    Yeah, let’s get more players who have all the athletic ability with no brain between the ears like Ace or Tre Johnson. It’s like y’all haven’t learned from the low IQ nonsense we’ve been watching these past couple of years and want to keep being satisfied with players with losing tendencies because they’re capped out on basketball fundamentals. Tired of drafting losers tbh.
    I haven't seen any reason to think Tre Johnson has no brain between the ears. There may be issues with his game, but he seems to know what he's doing.

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    Wait... at what point are we talking about Knueppel? I like him myself, but not top 4. I assumed we are talking about where we are projected to pick.
    I don't even like him inside the top 10 but especially not inside the top 4. I'm talking directly to Dejounte who likes him inside the top 4.

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    Is Queen just Swanigan without the shooting?

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    The issue is that our roster is both low IQ and unathletic.

    Wemby, Fox and Castle aside, everyone else is either dumb or unathletic.

    Devin is an a bit above average athlete, but low IQ.
    Keldon is a good athlete, but has no bball IQ whatsoever.
    Jeremy is also a solid athlete, but has subpar IQ and lacks some fundamental basketball skills.

    Is it a coincidence that the only positive contributors on our roster are both athletic and have positive IQ?
    Barnes is still a solid athlete and obviously a smart player.
    CP3 is the only exception when it comes to athleticism, but his bball IQ is probably the highest in the league alongside Lebron and Jokic.

    Top teams have moved past the era of one-dimensional players. Spurs need to find players who have good understanding of the game, positive athleticism and can shoot the ball.
    Easier said and done, but that's just how it works. Estimating who can translate their game to the NBA is the most difficult part of the job, but that's why front office people are paid while we just guesstimate stuff.

    I don't follow college basketball that closely, but unless we get a top5 pick and someone is a must pick regardless of their position, we need to get wings who can't shoot. We dont need any more guards and we can't afford to have any more non-shooters.
    Sochan doesn't have a high level of NBA athleticism. Keldon and Vassel(neither are good in the open court on a break) are at best just average and Paul is too slow now at his age.

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    We might be able to catch Toronto and get to 7th
    That’s a ing tall order. We have 17 games left, they have 15, and the difference in the W/L columns are 3/5.
    All that matters is the win column. We're 3 ahead of them and still play them twice - so we're effectively only one game ahead of them. Definitely doable. They also have a decent shot at catching CHI for the last play-in spot. #7 can be had with some proper tank management.

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    You listed two guys with the IQ I’m wishing for who are the two main reasons the team isn’t at the bottom of the standings. If we had more guys like that with even average athleticism (which comes from being younger), it would elevate the team even more. What do you think happens to this team if we added one more young Keldon, one more young Sochan, and one more young Vassell? Now what do you think happens when we add one more young Barnes and one more young Paul? The second team wins.
    Young Paul and Barnes were great athletes.

    I'd say we need shooters who are either athletic or have high IQ.
    We don't want any more Keldons, but some MPJs would be fine.

    With that said, I can't say if Knueppel will be good enough.
    My take is that we need to get a high end starter to pair with Barnes in free agency or via trade.
    The rookie can come off the bench and push out Keldon and/or Jeremy.
    rascal Jeremy isn't a great athlete vertically, but his lateral movements are good, way more important defensively.

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    Yeah, let’s get more players who have all the athletic ability with no brain between the ears like Ace or Tre Johnson. It’s like y’all haven’t learned from the low IQ nonsense we’ve been watching these past couple of years and want to keep being satisfied with players with losing tendencies because they’re capped out on basketball fundamentals. Tired of drafting losers tbh.
    "More"? When did we start getting these guys? The Spurs haven't drafted any athletic dumbos; their forte is the physically-limited, skill-limited dumbass that makes up the entire Power of Friendship Core.

    I'm not making the argument that we SHOULD target the athletic freak, low IQ prospects (that's rascal's schtick), but I don't think it's accurate to say we've been drafting them the last few years.

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    Richardson and Fears out. Next Wolf vs Queen.
    Dejounte Queen is fine, but I wish he can develop his 3pt shooting. But his FT is great. He’s a big body in the paint who can help Wemby against jumbo bigs, and he can pass.

    I really like what Dusty May has done with Michigan, getting both Goldin and Wolf. I like both, especially Wolf because he has a great bball mind, 7 footer 250. I don’t mean pick him up at top 10, but if somehow they draft him with Atlanta pick of at 2nd round would be great.

    just the same I’m rooting for both Queen and Wolf to have a great game. Oh, and Goldin at backup C would be great at 2nd round or from non-drafted players.

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