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    ten known bad guys vs how many deported?


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    ten known bad guys vs how many deported?
    ten know bad guys

    10. However, even though many of these TdA members have been in the United
    States only a short time, some have still managed to commit extremely serious crimes. A review
    of ICE databases reveals that numerous individuals removed under the AEA have arrests and
    convictions in the United States for dangerous offenses, including an individual alleged to have
    committed murder; an individual with pending state charges for aggravated assault with weapon
    and who was identified by state authorities related to an armed home invasion and kidnapping;
    an individual with a state arrest for harassment, and indecent assault where he entered the room
    of a fourteen-year-old victim, tried to lift her shirt, grabbed her thigh, and rubbed his penis on
    her; an individual who was arrested for fourth-degree grand larceny and resisting arrest who was
    encountered in a home with other gang members, three automatic rifles, two handguns, and
    extended magazines; an individual convicted of conspiracy to harbor aliens, in violation of 8
    U.S.C. § 1325(a)(1)(A)(v)(I) and (a)(1)(B)(i), involving his role in a stash house—including his
    job of taking and restricting access to the victims’ cell phones—where officers and agents
    located sixteen individuals in the stash house, including a pregnant female and a fifteen-year-old
    unaccompanied child; an individual arrested for a misdemeanor sex offense and felony assault;
    Case 1:25-cv-00766-JEB Do ent 26-1 Filed 03/17/25 Page 4 of 6
    an individual with a state arrest for second-degree assault, intent to cause injury with
    weapon/instrument; an individual arrested for second-degree assault with intent to cause serious
    physical injury in a manner injure child less than seventeen, for which there is an order of
    protection in the case; an individual arrested at a TdA-run brothel and charged with evading
    arrest, promoting pros ution, possession of fentanyl, and possession of marijuana; an individual
    arrested for property damage, assault and simple assault; as well numerous other theft and
    larceny-related offenses.

    11. Additionally, a review of ICE databases reveals that numerous individuals
    removed have arrests, pending charges, and convictions outside of the United States, including
    an individual who is under investigation by Venezuelan authorities for the crimes of aggravated
    homicide, qualified kidnapping, and illegal carrying of weapons of war and short arms with
    ammunition for organized gang in concealment and trafficking; an individual who is the subject
    of an active INTERPOL Blue Notice issued on or about January 2, 2025, and a Red Notice
    issued February 5, 2025, for the crime of kidnapping and rape in Chile; an individual who is the
    subject of an INTERPOL Red Notice issued by Chile for kidnapping for ransom and criminal
    conspiracy involving TdA; an individual who admitted he sold marijuana and crystal
    methamphetamine for the Colombian gang Las Paisas, assaulted someone with a knife for a
    cellphone while living in Venezuela, and has twice robbed people for money while living in
    Colombia; an individual who is the subject of an INTERPOL Red Notice for child abduction; an
    individual identified as a “high-ranking” member of the TdA by the Mobile Tactical Interdiction
    Unit in Guatemala City, Guatemala; an individual who is the subject of an INTERPOL Red
    Notice based on obstruction of justice, criminal conspiracy, and aggravated corruption based on
    the individual’s role as a police officer in modifying evidence to cover up a murder; an individual
    Case 1:25-cv-00766-JEB Do ent 26-1 Filed 03/17/25 Page 5 of 6
    who, according to Peruvian Newspapers, is associated with high-ranking TdA members and who
    fled Peru while under investigation for illegal possession of firearm and distributing narcotics; an
    individual who is the subject of an INTERPOL Blue Notice stating that he is under investigation
    in Venezuela for murder with aggravating cir stances against a victim whose corpse was
    found inside a suitcase on a dirt road; and an individual who is the subject of an warrant from
    Chile for carrying or holding a weapon subject to control.

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    my point stands, that's pretty slim pickings for hundreds of detainees
    Why did you only post that snippet and leave the other parts of the court declaration out? Specifically this part:

    7. Agency personnel carefully vetted each individual alien to ensure they were in
    fact members of TdA. Officers and agents well versed in gang activity in general and TdA in
    particular reviewed the information gathered on each alien, identifying TdA members based upon
    the results of investigative techniques and information such as previous criminal convictions for
    TdA-related activities, other court records indicating membership in TdA, surveillance, law
    enforcement encounters, interviews with the TdA member, testimonies and statements from
    victims of the TdA member, evidence that the alien had committed crimes in coordination with
    known members of TdA, evidence that the alien had committed sophisticated financial
    transactions with known members of TdA, computer indices checks, and admission of TdA
    membership by the alien. ICE did not simply rely on social media posts, photographs of the alien
    displaying gang-related hand gestures, or tattoos alone.

    Why did you claim they didn't know very much about the deportees when they clearly did?

    Did you not read the entire court declaration and just run here to post the only snippet you saw on Bluesky?

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    Why did you only post that snippet and leave the other parts of the court declaration out? Specifically this part:

    7. Agency personnel carefully vetted each individual alien to ensure they were in
    fact members of TdA. Officers and agents well versed in gang activity in general and TdA in
    particular reviewed the information gathered on each alien, identifying TdA members based upon
    the results of investigative techniques and information such as previous criminal convictions for
    TdA-related activities, other court records indicating membership in TdA, surveillance, law
    enforcement encounters, interviews with the TdA member, testimonies and statements from
    victims of the TdA member, evidence that the alien had committed crimes in coordination with
    known members of TdA, evidence that the alien had committed sophisticated financial
    transactions with known members of TdA, computer indices checks, and admission of TdA
    membership by the alien. ICE did not simply rely on social media posts, photographs of the alien
    displaying gang-related hand gestures, or tattoos alone.

    Why did you claim they didn't know very much about the deportees when they clearly did?

    Did you not read the entire court declaration and just run here to post the only snippet you saw on Bluesky?
    We know why, it's because no matter what WH says he/she toes the Marxist line and most def kowtows to leftism. The dude is probably a cool guy to get a beer with but he's also a huge red flag!

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    we'll find out quickly if Trumplandia still honors valid judicial orders

    https://www.politico.com/news/2025/03/15/trump-deportation-lawsuit-00232121








    "valid judicial orders"

    The Supreme Court explicitly ruled in the 1948 Ludecke v. Watkins case that Alien Enemy Act removals by the president are non-justiciable.

    Here are some key excerpts from the ruling, lest anyone think the SCOTUS opinion was in any way unclear: “The Alien Enemy Act precludes judicial review of the removal order.”

    That line is literally the first sentence of the SCOTUS holding.

    “The very nature of the President's power to order the removal of all enemy aliens rejects the notion that courts may pass judgment upon the exercise of his discretion.”

    “[E]very judge before whom the question has since come has held that the statute barred judicial review.”

    “A war power of the President not subject to judicial review is not transmuted into a judicially reviewable action because the President chooses to have that power exercised within narrower limits than Congress authorized.”

    “These are matters of political judgment for which judges have neither technical competence nor official responsibility.”

    “The Act is almost as old as the Cons ution, and it would savor of doctrinaire audacity now to find the statute offensive to some emanation of the Bill of Rights.”

    “Accordingly, we hold that full responsibility for the just exercise of this great power may validly be left where the Congress has cons utionally placed it -- on the President of the United States. The Founders, in their wisdom, made him not only the Commander in Chief, but also the guiding organ in the conduct of our foreign affairs.”

    There is no gray area or uncertainty here.

    As the Supreme Court has made abundantly and explicitly clear, removals under the Alien Removal Act are non-justiciable. Because of this, it is the inferior and unelected district judge who is violating the law and the Cons ution today by purporting to have the authority to review what the Supreme Court—his superior—has prohibited him from reviewing.

    The proper form for this case to take, based on the Cons ution, federal statutes, and 250 years of case law in this country, is for the judge to dismiss the plaintiffs’ case for lack of jurisdiction and standing. Plaintiffs can of course appeal that dismissal, at which point the appellate court would be required to reject the appeal. And if plaintiffs wished to do so at that point, they could apply for a writ of certiorari to the Supreme Court, which would then decide whether it wished to overturn its own precedents. Only the Supreme Court has the authority to undertake such an action. And even if that were to happen, the president still retains inherent Article II authority, independent of federal statute, to remove foreign enemies from the United States.

    That is how the legal system in this country actually works. It does not in any way empower an inferior trial court judge to unilaterally overturn controlling federal law or Supreme Court precedents.


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    These last 4 years must have been excruciating for you Trump s living in such agonizing fear of the illegal alien terrorist gangster Boogeyman. How did you manage to survive?

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    "valid judicial orders"

    The Supreme Court explicitly ruled in the 1948 Ludecke v. Watkins case that Alien Enemy Act removals by the president are non-justiciable.

    Here are some key excerpts from the ruling, lest anyone think the SCOTUS opinion was in any way unclear: “The Alien Enemy Act precludes judicial review of the removal order.”

    That line is literally the first sentence of the SCOTUS holding.

    “The very nature of the President's power to order the removal of all enemy aliens rejects the notion that courts may pass judgment upon the exercise of his discretion.”

    “[E]very judge before whom the question has since come has held that the statute barred judicial review.”

    “A war power of the President not subject to judicial review is not transmuted into a judicially reviewable action because the President chooses to have that power exercised within narrower limits than Congress authorized.”

    “These are matters of political judgment for which judges have neither technical competence nor official responsibility.”

    “The Act is almost as old as the Cons ution, and it would savor of doctrinaire audacity now to find the statute offensive to some emanation of the Bill of Rights.”

    “Accordingly, we hold that full responsibility for the just exercise of this great power may validly be left where the Congress has cons utionally placed it -- on the President of the United States. The Founders, in their wisdom, made him not only the Commander in Chief, but also the guiding organ in the conduct of our foreign affairs.”

    There is no gray area or uncertainty here.

    As the Supreme Court has made abundantly and explicitly clear, removals under the Alien Removal Act are non-justiciable. Because of this, it is the inferior and unelected district judge who is violating the law and the Cons ution today by purporting to have the authority to review what the Supreme Court—his superior—has prohibited him from reviewing.

    The proper form for this case to take, based on the Cons ution, federal statutes, and 250 years of case law in this country, is for the judge to dismiss the plaintiffs’ case for lack of jurisdiction and standing. Plaintiffs can of course appeal that dismissal, at which point the appellate court would be required to reject the appeal. And if plaintiffs wished to do so at that point, they could apply for a writ of certiorari to the Supreme Court, which would then decide whether it wished to overturn its own precedents. Only the Supreme Court has the authority to undertake such an action. And even if that were to happen, the president still retains inherent Article II authority, independent of federal statute, to remove foreign enemies from the United States.

    That is how the legal system in this country actually works. It does not in any way empower an inferior trial court judge to unilaterally overturn controlling federal law or Supreme Court precedents.

    "war power"

    Which war is this?

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    "valid judicial orders"

    The Supreme Court explicitly ruled in the 1948 Ludecke v. Watkins case that Alien Enemy Act removals by the president are non-justiciable.

    Here are some key excerpts from the ruling, lest anyone think the SCOTUS opinion was in any way unclear: “The Alien Enemy Act precludes judicial review of the removal order.”

    That line is literally the first sentence of the SCOTUS holding.

    “The very nature of the President's power to order the removal of all enemy aliens rejects the notion that courts may pass judgment upon the exercise of his discretion.”

    “[E]very judge before whom the question has since come has held that the statute barred judicial review.”

    “A war power of the President not subject to judicial review is not transmuted into a judicially reviewable action because the President chooses to have that power exercised within narrower limits than Congress authorized.”

    “These are matters of political judgment for which judges have neither technical competence nor official responsibility.”

    “The Act is almost as old as the Cons ution, and it would savor of doctrinaire audacity now to find the statute offensive to some emanation of the Bill of Rights.”

    “Accordingly, we hold that full responsibility for the just exercise of this great power may validly be left where the Congress has cons utionally placed it -- on the President of the United States. The Founders, in their wisdom, made him not only the Commander in Chief, but also the guiding organ in the conduct of our foreign affairs.”

    There is no gray area or uncertainty here.

    As the Supreme Court has made abundantly and explicitly clear, removals under the Alien Removal Act are non-justiciable. Because of this, it is the inferior and unelected district judge who is violating the law and the Cons ution today by purporting to have the authority to review what the Supreme Court—his superior—has prohibited him from reviewing.

    The proper form for this case to take, based on the Cons ution, federal statutes, and 250 years of case law in this country, is for the judge to dismiss the plaintiffs’ case for lack of jurisdiction and standing. Plaintiffs can of course appeal that dismissal, at which point the appellate court would be required to reject the appeal. And if plaintiffs wished to do so at that point, they could apply for a writ of certiorari to the Supreme Court, which would then decide whether it wished to overturn its own precedents. Only the Supreme Court has the authority to undertake such an action. And even if that were to happen, the president still retains inherent Article II authority, independent of federal statute, to remove foreign enemies from the United States.

    That is how the legal system in this country actually works. It does not in any way empower an inferior trial court judge to unilaterally overturn controlling federal law or Supreme Court precedents.

    Lol Sean Davis. Who is he and why should anyone care that he disagrees with an actual judge?

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    Chief Justice responding publicly to an out of control POTUS, not something you see every day

    For more than two centuries, it has been established that impeachment is not an appropriate response to disagreement concerning a judicial decision,The normal appellate review process exists for that purpose

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    Lol Sean Davis. Who is he and why should anyone care that he disagrees with an actual judge?
    There's a federal judge in Amarillo that spent the last four years laying TROs on Biden with nary a peep from red team

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    "valid judicial orders"

    The Supreme Court explicitly ruled in the 1948 Ludecke v. Watkins case that Alien Enemy Act removals by the president are non-justiciable.

    Here are some key excerpts from the ruling, lest anyone think the SCOTUS opinion was in any way unclear: “The Alien Enemy Act precludes judicial review of the removal order.”

    That line is literally the first sentence of the SCOTUS holding.

    “The very nature of the President's power to order the removal of all enemy aliens rejects the notion that courts may pass judgment upon the exercise of his discretion.”

    “[E]very judge before whom the question has since come has held that the statute barred judicial review.”

    “A war power of the President not subject to judicial review is not transmuted into a judicially reviewable action because the President chooses to have that power exercised within narrower limits than Congress authorized.”

    “These are matters of political judgment for which judges have neither technical competence nor official responsibility.”

    “The Act is almost as old as the Cons ution, and it would savor of doctrinaire audacity now to find the statute offensive to some emanation of the Bill of Rights.”

    “Accordingly, we hold that full responsibility for the just exercise of this great power may validly be left where the Congress has cons utionally placed it -- on the President of the United States. The Founders, in their wisdom, made him not only the Commander in Chief, but also the guiding organ in the conduct of our foreign affairs.”
    Here's the start of the actual, literal text of the act:

    Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That whenever there shall be a declared war between the United States and any foreign nation or government, or any invasion or predatory incursion shall be perpetrated, attempted, or threatened against the territory of the United States, by any foreign nation or government, and the President of the United States shall make public proclamation of the event, all natives, citizens, denizens, or subjects of the hostile nation or government, being males of the age of fourteen years and upwards, who shall be within the United States, and not actually naturalized, shall be liable to be apprehended, restrained, secured and removed, as alien enemies.

    I missed the declaration of war on Venezuela. Do you or Sean have a link?

    Or is this part of your foreverwar, TSAnon?

    I don't mind deporting or imprisoning dangerous criminals -- it just seems there are probably less stupid ways of going about it.

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    Lol Sean Davis. Who is he and why should anyone care that he disagrees with an actual judge?
    because he's running DOGE, a non-agency with no inherent powers that is currently dismantling the US government

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    There's a federal judge in Amarillo that spent the last four years laying TROs on Biden with nary a peep from red team
    Good for him.

    But Trump is going to after these Judges with blooded fists.

    I don't blame him an iota.

    "Whatever it takes."

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    because he's running DOGE, a non-agency with no inherent powers that is currently dismantling the US government
    ..."But I'm President. And their not."

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    Chief Justice responding publicly to an out of control POTUS, not something you see every day
    And that same Chief Justice should locate his ma, and her, some more.

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    And that same Chief Justice should locate his ma, and her, some more.
    I don't totally disagree with this, probably for different reasons

    (VRA, Dobbs, Presidential Immunity)

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    otoh, Robert's mom didn't do anything

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    Trumplandia really doesn't want to face the music on this one

    The flights were publicly tracked and their arrival televised -- pleading "state secrets" strains credibility




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    Judge orders Khalil transferred to NJ




    https://storage.courtlistener.com/re...260.78.0_1.pdf

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    rabbit hole

    once upon a time Donald Trump's sister declared the law he's currently relying on to deport purported gang members uncons utional

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuarta...ons utional/

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    at least one US citizen got deported with her parents already

    Spanning both Obama administrations, an NPR investigation found, immigration authorities asked local authorities to detain about 700 Americans. Meanwhile, a U.S. Government Accountability Office report found that immigration authorities asked to hold roughly 600 likely citizens during Trump’s first term. The GAO also found that Trump actually deported about 70 likely citizens.
    https://www.propublica.org/article/m...igration-raids

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    at least one US citizen got deported with her parents already

    https://www.propublica.org/article/m...igration-raids
    Meh collateral damage gunna happen

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    I think it's ok for people to scream and yell about

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    I’m the Canadian who was detained by Ice for two weeks. It felt like I had been kidnapped

    There was no explanation, no warning. One minute, I was in an immigration office talking to an officer about my work visa, which had been approved months before and allowed me, a Canadian, to work in the US. The next, I was told to put my hands against the wall, and patted down like a criminal before being sent to an Ice detention center without the chance to talk to a lawyer.

    ...

    The reality became clear: Ice detention isn’t just a bureaucratic nightmare. It’s a business. These facilities are privately owned and run for profit.

    Companies like CoreCivic and GEO Group receive government funding based on the number of people they detain, which is why they lobby for stricter immigration policies. It’s a lucrative business: CoreCivic made over $560m from Ice contracts in a single year. In 2024, GEO Group made more than $763m from Ice contracts.

    ...
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...jasmine-mooney

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    Boasberg gives the DOJ one day to decide if it wants to invoke state-secrets privilege




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