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    I had him #3 overall last year (not my Spurs board, but just overall)
    He was #1 on mine, though I admit I am not among the top tier college talent evaluators on this site.

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    It was Risacher, not Flagg
    You are correct. It was still very WWE.

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    He was #1 on mine, though I admit I am not among the top tier college talent evaluators on this site.
    He fluctuated between 1 and 3 for me all year. My top tier had 3 players. Risacher, Sarr, and Buzelis.

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    Yeah, Sam Presti is a ing genius.
    I'm sure Sam Presti is loosing sleep because his team, currently the betting favorite to win the le, doesn't have Josh Giddy

    You say the wildest sometimes man, never change

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    He fluctuated between 1 and 3 for me all year. My top tier had 3 players. Risacher, Sarr, and Buzelis.
    I was so pumped he was there at 8 and I felt like we would definitely take him there... he'd be a nice fit here if his 3pt shot truly develops (I think it will) but I also understand the bandwidth limitations of trying to properly develop two Top 10 picks. Would have loved to have him, but I'm not losing any sleep over it.

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    You are correct. It was still very WWE.
    Players 1v1 all the time in pre-draft workouts (recall Branham v Wesley).

    This was Buzelis' actual quote:

    ""Of course, I want to see him one-on-one.He just doesn't want to do that with me.His agent will not do that with me, and I know he won't.It's a business decision,"

    Much ado about nothing. I'm sure this bothered exactly zero teams.

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    I'm sure Sam Presti is loosing sleep because his team, currently the betting favorite to win the le, doesn't have Josh Giddy

    You say the wildest sometimes man, never change
    They traded him for a 31 YO who has played 45 games,and averaged < 20 minutes, so yeah, I’m calling him out on the return, if nothing else. Oh, and they signed this 31 YO to a four year extension at ~$80 M. A team that is paying SGA the SuperMax and will have to extend both Jalen and Chet this summer signs a 31 YO spare part for 4 years.

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    They traded him for a 31 YO who has played 45 games,and averaged < 20 minutes, so yeah, I’m calling him out on the return, if nothing else. Oh, and they signed this 31 YO to a four year extension at ~$80 M. A team that is paying SGA the SuperMax and will have to extend both Jalen and Chet this summer signs a 31 YO spare part for 4 years.
    If they win a ring with Caruso contributing in the playoffs, the trade will be more than worth it.
    If they don't, it will be a bad move.

    Giddey was unplayable in last year's playoffs and now you're talking as if he's the next star guard just because he's putting up numbers on a tanking team.

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    EPM isn't that high on him. In fact his EPM rating (-3.1) positions him at the 17th percentile with Earned Wins at 10th percentile. Castle is way ahead (-1.5 and 1.8, 48th and 61st percentile).
    I think if you look up Actual EPM for the season, it's the composite of the entire season whereas the DARKO chart is a snapshot in time of the projection of the player going forward.

    Looking at Estimated EPM would be a more appropriate comparison to DARKO. Buzelis has an EPM of -2.1 (41st percentile). Castle has really shot up on Estimated EPM (-0.1, 70th percentile) mostly by virtue of his offense (+0.6. 80th percentile, compared to -0.8, 16th percentile for his defense). Buzelis is -1.4 on offense (45th %) and -0.6 on defense (37th %). This roughly checks out with the shape of the respective DARKO curves, IMO.

    This is one reason I really like CraftedNBA's PlusMinus algo, it's a composite of the others so you smooth out the variances.



    Also, I'm not suggesting for a moment that I'd take Buzelis over Castle. I was just pointing out that he's really come on of late. Two very different players.

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    I was so pumped he was there at 8 and I felt like we would definitely take him there... he'd be a nice fit here if his 3pt shot truly develops (I think it will) but I also understand the bandwidth limitations of trying to properly develop two Top 10 picks. Would have loved to have him, but I'm not losing any sleep over it.
    I would have taken him at that point, but the way it turned out, using that pick in the Fox move, worked out very well...so no complaints at the moment.

    I'm just gonna add this thought: I just updated my board and broke it into tiers, but when anyone does that it's based on what someone thinks about what other moves/trades are out there or likely to happen and it moves from evaluation into the realm of guessing at that point.

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    They traded him for a 31 YO who has played 45 games,and averaged < 20 minutes, so yeah, I’m calling him out on the return, if nothing else. Oh, and they signed this 31 YO to a four year extension at ~$80 M. A team that is paying SGA the SuperMax and will have to extend both Jalen and Chet this summer signs a 31 YO spare part for 4 years.
    Maybe they'll put an asterisks on the banner that says "didn't get a good enough return for Josh Giddy"

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    If they win a ring with Caruso contributing in the playoffs, the trade will be more than worth it.
    If they don't, it will be a bad move.

    Giddey was unplayable in last year's playoffs and now you're talking as if he's the next star guard just because he's putting up numbers on a tanking team.
    It’s not the tanking. He’s in a better role for him, lead guard. OKC kept trying to pigeon hole him as an off ball guy, and he isn’t.

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    It’s not the tanking. He’s in a better role for him, lead guard. OKC kept trying to pigeon hole him as an off ball guy, and he isn’t.
    It's almost like he didn't fit their team, so Presti traded him. What a moron. Definitely should have forced SGA to adapt to playing with Josh Giddy

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    Maybe they'll put an asterisks on the banner that says "didn't get a good enough return for Josh Giddy"
    Let’s not put the banner before the horse. They look really good,but I think both Boston and Cleveland have a good shot at taking 5hem out.

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    It's almost like he didn't fit their team, so Presti traded him. What a moron. Definitely should have forced SGA to adapt to playing with Josh Giddy
    Never said that señor strawman. A team that prides themselves on their horde of FRPs probably should have gotten at least one for a former #6 overall. An awkward fit isn’t the same as a bust, but they got a bust like return.

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    It’s not the tanking. He’s in a better role for him, lead guard. OKC kept trying to pigeon hole him as an off ball guy, and he isn’t.
    It's a better role for him, but is he good enough to play that role on a serious playoff team? We'll see.
    What was OKC supposed to do? They have an MVP level player in lead guard role, Giddey was on an expiring contract and didn't have much value after last year's playoff failure.

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    Never said that señor strawman. A team that prides themselves on their horde of FRPs probably should have gotten at least one for a former #6 overall. An awkward fit isn’t the same as a bust, but they got a bust like return.
    They traded a player who didn't fit with off the court baggage (which you like to remind people of all the time), who's also about to become extension eligible and got... a significantly better player. What morons!


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    dont blame buzelis for wanting to go 1v1 vs risacher. he's a much better 1v1 talent. bigger, more atheltic, better handles and shot creation. but risacher was such an easy projection to becoming a valuable cog. in a draft that didnt seem to have star power, getting a safe starting caliber player like that was an easy call. i had risacher #1 on my board for that reason, even if i didnt think he had any star potential. he hasnt exactly disappointed either. his shooting has come around since his rough start to the season and he's been a nice defender as well.

    matas had more raw ability but how he would translate and find his role in the nba was a more difficult projection. i had buzelis on the list of guys i would have liked drafting at #8. bulls getting him at 11 was strong value.

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    The Lakers defense was always fools gold given the personnel. They have no anchor and were yielding a ton of open 3's and getting lucky (if Ham were still coaching, it'd have been spun as his being an idiot, but because Re is, it was spun as a genius move) and progression to the mean has finally hit.

    Despite ESPN's wishes, neither them or the Warriors are contenders, though at least the former has a conceivable path to being one again with an MVP caliber player.

    Whaddaya know, I was right about another prospect. Was pumping him up all last year with people focusing on his shooting ability (and compe ion level - stupidest ever), I focused on just about every skill he had that I thought would be well suited for the NBA
    You were right, based on a small sample size? So if a prospect you were low on were to follow suit, would you claim to be wrong?

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    So apparently Jaime Jaquez is smashing Spoelstra‘s ex wife

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    So apparently Jaime Jaquez is smashing Spoelstra‘s ex wife
    Holy hahahah that would explain the cut in minutes lol

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    dont blame buzelis for wanting to go 1v1 vs risacher. he's a much better 1v1 talent. bigger, more atheltic, better handles and shot creation. but risacher was such an easy projection to becoming a valuable cog. in a draft that didnt seem to have star power, getting a safe starting caliber player like that was an easy call. i had risacher #1 on my board for that reason, even if i didnt think he had any star potential. he hasnt exactly disappointed either. his shooting has come around since his rough start to the season and he's been a nice defender as well.

    matas had more raw ability but how he would translate and find his role in the nba was a more difficult projection. i had buzelis on the list of guys i would have liked drafting at #8. bulls getting him at 11 was strong value.
    Wanting to 1v1 another player is one thing. Calling out that guy during a draft cycle when you don't even know him was dumb and childish. I've never seen that before.

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    The one real question that I have, and , nobody seems to be asking is this:
    Who is the next superstar who demands a trade to the Spurs? Fox may have been only the first domino falling in this previously unimaginable scenario.

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    The one real question that I have, and , nobody seems to be asking is this:
    Who is the next superstar who demands a trade to the Spurs? Fox may have been only the first domino falling in this previously unimaginable scenario.
    We don't really care, tbh.
    Can't have 3 players on max contracts with this CBA and Castle is looking like a star in the making.
    The only way I can see it happening is if Fox goes the other way.

    What I'm more interested in is how many high end role players will take paycuts in order to ring chase with Wemby.

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    We don't really care, tbh.
    Can't have 3 players on max contracts with this CBA and Castle is looking like a star in the making.
    The only way I can see it happening is if Fox goes the other way.

    What I'm more interested in is how many high end role players will take paycuts in order to ring chase with Wemby.
    True, much better frame for this than what I laid out.
    Is it plausible that we see some more FA/trades for solid high-end role players wanting to come here this summer? This is not something the Spurs are used to since the glory days. The tenuous coaching situation might be a wet blanket for some players.

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