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[baseline bum]

Jesus Christ Milwaukee can't catch a break. Guess they used up their luck when KD's shoe size was one inch too big in Game 7 2021.

[spursistan]

Agreed. Sure it was the Mavericks' decision, but it still should be a cautionary tale. We've seen too many examples of supposed wide open windows that slammed shut far sooner than expected for one reason or another.

The style of play now is already conducive to more injuries and that's before considering Wembanyama's unique body type.

The goal should be to win a championship within' 3 years. Get that and they'll one, always have the bare minimum no matter how the remainder of his era plays out and two, presumably go a ways towards getting him to spend his entire career here.

Which is why all I care about is winning one more. One le is so unbelievably hard if you're not the Lakers and we got spoiled by seeing five from one of the greatest runs in the history of sports. But a lot of that was luck, like everyone being scared to draft Tony and the Spurs hitting the ultimate shot in the dark with Manu, who you could have argued was the greatest draft pick in NBA history until Jokic. You look at how many ridiculously good teams never won one. The Payton & Kemp Sonics. The unbelievable Bibby & Webber Kings. The Durant/Westbrook/Harden/Ibaka Thunder (this one is still the most shocking). The MAGA & Warm Karl Jazz. The Ewing & Mark Jackson Knicks. Nash & Amare's Suns. I really don't want these Spurs to be the next what if should they take le contention for granted just because they have an unbelievable #1 guy.

I am late to this, but in light of the Lillard news, which formally closes the Bucks’ le window and perhaps slam shut the door on Giannis contention days in Milwaukee, this, again, couldn’t be stressed highly enough ..

He won his first Championship at age 26 on the back of 2 straight MVPs and 1 DPOY and looked poised to rule the East, but a spate of horrendously-timed injuries, the supporting cast growing old around him and their inability to get anything out of the draft has resulted in Antetokounmpo’s not even sniffing the Conference Finals since then.

Between the piling examples and cautionary tales and their own early red flag (John Hollinger 2 months ago mentioned no player of Wemby’s height or taller has ever played more than 1000 games in league history), they better realize the futility of trying to recreate the Duncan era of near 2 decades of perpetual excellence/contention—a historical anomaly by any mean.

If things break right for us, all I am asking/expecting is a mini-dynastic run during Wembanyam’s peak years similar to Lebron’s Miami run— a couple of les to officially catapult us to the rank of 3rrd greatest franchise in NBA history behind the Lakers and the Celtics . Not bad for a small market team, I guess.

[spursistan]

Kings Fans were starting to get giddy thinking they won the Fox trade especially after Wemby got shutdown. Now back to reality: 2-8 in their 10, and a game from missing the play-in entirely..

Even some Spurs fans were whispering that Lavine would have been a better target. In reality, the latter empty stats reputation followed him to Sacramento. And like I said in the other thread, Fox is a superior defender, historically far more durable and is more than 2 years and 9 months younger than Lavine, which is hugely important in terms of timing better with Wemby/Castly in what is shaping up to be the first rough iteration of a Big 3 in the Wembanyama era

[exstatic]

miami looking like they're going to pick up a win against the warriors. 8th spot is our best realistic outcome, with a 26% chance of moving up to top 4. a few weeks ago it seemed like we could climb/fall to 7, but brooklyn has been intensely tanking, and now they're out of reach along with toronto

other than hoping ATL loses in the play-in games, the other thing to look out for is the Kings. they owe ATL a top 12 protected first round pick this year. ideally, this pick doesnt convey, giving the hawks less means to improve going into next season. as it stands, sacto is expected to receive the 14th pick. they are neck and neck with phoenix and dallas (mavs lost today). if they finish behind both squads, they will be in the 12th position, and there will be about a 93% chance the pick does not convey

They’re 1/2 game from keeping the pick. If the choice is #10 in the West, make the play in, and lose because a #10 has never played in, or keeping the damn pick, you keep the pick. They have only one more year after this one, 1-10 protection, and then it becomes 2 seconds. It would be rough justice for ATL to get two seconds after foisting off that Charlotte pick on us.

You have to wonder, though, if Sacto would convey the pick just to F us over for fleecing them on the Fox trade…

[LeBowen]

Wright needs to get on the phone and sell our family values to Aldama.
We don't want him to stay with those thugs in Memphis.

[Ice009]

Got darn. Not what I expected there with Aldama. Maybe he could become available. Wow, I wonder what that was about.

The Lillard news has shocked me even more, though. Before Chris Bosh, was there ever any blood clot issues with players. This is very concerning to me.

[exstatic]

Got darn. Not what I expected there with Aldama. Maybe he could become available. Wow, I wonder what that was about.

The Lillard news has shocked me even more, though. Before Chris Bosh, was there ever any blood clot issues with players. This is very concerning to me.

The Lillard one is bad. Bosh also had leg clots, and he was never able to shake them, ending his career.

[baseline bum]

Kings Fans were starting to get giddy thinking they won the Fox trade especially after Wemby got shutdown. Now back to reality: 2-8 in their 10, and a game from missing the play-in entirely..

Even some Spurs fans were whispering that Lavine would have been a better target. In reality, the latter empty stats reputation followed him to Sacramento. And like I said in the other thread, Fox is a superior defender, historically far more durable and is more than 2 years and 9 months younger than Lavine, which is hugely important in terms of timing better with Wemby/Castly in what is shaping up to be the first rough iteration of a Big 3 in the Wembanyama era

Has their schedule picked way up in difficulty or are they starting to tune Christie out like they did Brown?

[itzsoweezee]

Time to cash in those assets for Giannis. Brian, gotta get this done this offseason

[spurraider21]

The Lillard one is bad. Bosh also had leg clots, and he was never able to shake them, ending his career.

we dont know much about lillard's yet. the lower body ones are more common. they also have the capability to become bigger because the vessells are simply larger. i dont think we know about whether he had a PE or anything like that yet.

hope his is isolated as well

[scott]

The wording of the Lillard injury is interesting to me in that it sounds like the Bucks are saying he's week-to-week, not out for the season? Or am I reading too much into it?

[LeBowen]

The wording of the Lillard injury is interesting to me in that it sounds like the Bucks are saying he's week-to-week, not out for the season? Or am I reading too much into it?

I'd say it's just copium to keep the fanbase from going into full doomer mode.
Lillard played his last game 8 days ago, iirc when people with medical knowledge talked about Wemby's injury in here, they said it's a minimum of 3 months on blood thinners, more likely 6.
I don't see how can Lillard take blood thinners for just a month or whatever, doesn't make any sense.

[scott]

I'd say it's just copium to keep the fanbase from going into full doomer mode.
Lillard played his last game 8 days ago, iirc when people with medical knowledge talked about Wemby's injury in here, they said it's a minimum of 3 months on blood thinners, more likely 6.
I don't see how can Lillard take blood thinners for just a month or whatever, doesn't make any sense.

I think it depends on the severity of the clot, tbh, but I'm not a doctor. Could just be copium like you said.

[dn0774]

I'd say it's just copium to keep the fanbase from going into full doomer mode.
Lillard played his last game 8 days ago, iirc when people with medical knowledge talked about Wemby's injury in here, they said it's a minimum of 3 months on blood thinners, more likely 6.
I don't see how can Lillard take blood thinners for just a month or whatever, doesn't make any sense.

Pretty sure its not even up to the Bucks entirely on when he can play. Ausar Thompson had to got through the 'NBA Fitness to Play Panel' before he could even officially return to team activities. The wording of the article at the time iirc suggested the panel wouldn't even consider approving the return of a player with a blood clot instance within 6 months of discovery/treatment beginning. Perhaps cir stances are different for Lilliard but returning this season sounds out of the cards entirely.

[GAustex]

Derrick White is magnificent with Boston

[Ice009]

Derrick White is magnificent with Boston

There was someone mentioning the other day that maybe the Spurs could try and pry Derrick away from Boston if they're looking to avoid that second apron at some point soon. I don't think there is any chance of them letting him go or trading him, do you?

[LeBowen]

There was someone mentioning the other day that maybe the Spurs could try and pry Derrick away from Boston if they're looking to avoid that second apron at some point soon. I don't think there is any chance of them letting him go or trading him, do you?

Derrick is their third most important player and there's no way they'd even consider trading him.
They'll trade either Jrue or Porzingis if they fail this season. Jrue because of his age or KP because of his health and contract that has only one year left.

[Maddog]

Don't have enough information
Oversimplification- but location and cause are very important.
If superficial vein may not even need anticoagulant
If I remember correctly this was a below the knee DVT (or distal DVT). Management of Distal DVTs is less clear in certain cir stances can be treated with observation.

[Ice009]

Derrick is their third most important player and there's no way they'd even consider trading him.
They'll trade either Jrue or Porzingis if they fail this season. Jrue because of his age or KP because of his health and contract that has only one year left.

Yeah, I can't remember who it was. I was going to reply and say that I don't think they'd ever trade him and there is 0% chance of that happening. I don't know where all their guys rank contract wise, so I didn't post a comment.

Also, just want to wish Damien Lillard the best and I hope he can come back 100% from this. I want to see him back. It sucks badly that he is out as I also wanted to see how Milwaukee would do in the playoffs. I thought they had a real good chance at an upset or two.

[R. DeMurre]

Yeah, have to agree on D White, and as much as I love Jrue Holiday, Boston is letting him go before they let Derrick go.

[R. DeMurre]

Before when I looked at Memphis (before LaRavia's trade to the Kings), I thought that both Jake and Santi were good free agent targets but that Jake would be an easier get, being unrestricted. Now I'm starting to hope for both of them. As a pair, they'd be a really solid addition. I think the Spurs still need a #2 guy-- sorry, I don't think Fox is it, though he can be a #3 guy imo-- but the addition of LaRavia and Santi would completely solidify the depth, and put the Spurs in the discussion for a serious playoff run. With LaRavia, it's just a question of convincing him to be a glue guy on a Wemby led team, and I don't think he'd be overly expensive. Aldama <might> require at least a bit of an overpay, so that's the ultimate question: do the Spurs like him enough to overpay him, which I think is plausible, especially if it's a sign and trade situation where they send back something to the Grizzlies. Landing those two would be an incredibly successful off season to me.

[exstatic]

Before when I looked at Memphis (before LaRavia's trade to the Kings), I thought that both Jake and Santi were good free agent targets but that Jake would be an easier get, being unrestricted. Now I'm starting to hope for both of them. As a pair, they'd be a really solid addition. I think the Spurs still need a #2 guy-- sorry, I don't think Fox is it, though he can be a #3 guy imo-- but the addition of LaRavia and Santi would completely solidify the depth, and put the Spurs in the discussion for a serious playoff run. With LaRavia, it's just a question of convincing him to be a glue guy on a Wemby led team, and I don't think he'd be overly expensive. Aldama <might> require at least a bit of an overpay, so that's the ultimate question: do the Spurs like him enough to overpay him, which I think is plausible, especially if it's a sign and trade situation where they send back something to the Grizzlies. Landing those two would be an incredibly successful off season to me.

All NBA is an incredibly high bar, 15 guys out of like 450 players, like 3%. If you make that even once, you’re good enough to be a #2. He was put onto a team built for another guy, and then that other guy was sidelined for the rest of the season. Don’t judge his handful of games played here.

I think if we want LaRavia,he’s pretty possible. Aldama, not so much, being restricted.

[R. DeMurre]

All NBA is an incredibly high bar, 15 guys out of like 450 players, like 3%. If you make that even once, you’re good enough to be a #2. He was put onto a team built for another guy, and then that other guy was sidelined for the rest of the season. Don’t judge his handful of games played here.

I think if we want LaRavia,he’s pretty possible. Aldama, not so much, being restricted.

Julius Randle and Bradley Beal were all NBA too. It's not a definitive guideline. Beal can't even help a team with two other all NBA guys to a .500 record. I'd argue that Third Team all NBA awards are notoriously weighed for offense over actual impact.

[LeBowen]

Nephew is averaging 26/8/4 on 58/52/81 over his last 7 games.
Clippers in 6th with a fairly easy remaining schedule.
I don't think anyone wants to face them in the first round, they're a very good team when everyone's healthy.
And most importantly, well coached.

[Ice009]

Clippers are 8-2 in their last 10 games. Only the Celtics, Thunder and Rockets have had a better run (9-1), and yeah, Kawhi looks to be playing really well. If he can remain healthy, they could go on a run in the playoffs.