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    Think I’d rather have Naz at a deal starting at $30M than Mark at $55M. There is a talent drop off but not at $25M one in my view.

    Preserve the flexibility for other roster needs.
    I’m in the same boat. I was one of the leading proponents of trading for Lauri last summer, but that’s when we still needed our second banana to Wemby. We now have our second and third options already in the team in Fox and Castle and our needs our different. I still love Lauri as a player and offensively he would be perfect - but he leaves a lot to be desired on the defensive end and he costs $55M. I’d rather have Naz, Santi or Herb at their respective price tags. Whatever you lose offensively with those guys versus Lauri, you gain on the defensive end.
    Markannen is definitely expensive but not $55M a year expensive. Even the last year of his deal is less than that. His deal goes:

    2025-26: $46.4M
    2026-27: $46.1M
    2027-28: $49.8M
    2028-29: $53.5M

    Not sure how Ainge managed to negotiate that dip in 2026-27. Also I think $30 million starting might be a little low for Naz, not to mention he is super unlikely to be available. What if Naz costs $35M starting with 8% Bird raises on a four year deal?

    2025-26: $35M
    2026-27: $37.8M
    2027-28: $40.6M
    2028-29: $43.4M

    Still rather have him than Mark at those prices? I wonder if even $35M starting may be low though tbh.
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    Paige Bueckers shooting lights out with a career high 36 points 6-8 3PM wonder where she would go in the NBA draft lol

    something about those UCONN #5 GOATs as we know

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    Markannen is definitely expensive but not $55M a year expensive. Even the last year of his deal is less than that. His deal goes:

    2025-26: $46.4M
    2026-27: $46.1M
    2027-28: $49.8M
    2028-29: $53.5M

    Not sure how Ainge managed to negotiate that dip in 2026-27. Also I think $30 million starting might be a little low for Naz, not to mention he is super unlikely to be available. What if Naz costs $35M starting with 8% Bird raises on a four year deal?

    2025-26: $35M
    2026-27: $37.8M
    2027-28: $40.6M
    2028-29: $43.4M

    Still rather have him than Mark at those prices? I wonder if even $35M starting may be low though tbh.
    We'll just have to see this summer, but I don't think Naz will get $35MM starting. If we had the cap space, I wouldn't want us to spend that on him.

    Not interested in Lauri at $46.4MM anymore either. Would rather have a good $25MM and a $21MM player. We're talking about our 4th and 5th options here, after all.

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    We'll just have to see this summer, but I don't think Naz will get $35MM starting. If we had the cap space, I wouldn't want us to spend that on him.

    Not interested in Lauri at $46.4MM anymore either. Would rather have a good $25MM and a $21MM player. We're talking about our 4th and 5th options here, after all.
    My concern with Naz is if he can be consistent as a starter. He's got way too many games without much impact. Can't have a $30M a year player not doing much in like a third of his games, that's exactly what we criticize Devin for.

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    We'll just have to see this summer, but I don't think Naz will get $35MM starting. If we had the cap space, I wouldn't want us to spend that on him.

    Not interested in Lauri at $46.4MM anymore either. Would rather have a good $25MM and a $21MM player. We're talking about our 4th and 5th options here, after all.
    Well this Markannen talk was based on the Spurs getting the #3 pick. And short of trading that pick plus the Frienship Crew to NOP for TMIII and Herb Jones not sure how you'd put a package together meeting that desire that's better than Mark. What's your we got the #3 pick but don't like Bailey trade? Assuming NOP told BWright to piss off with that deal I suggested.

    Reid and McDaniels maybe? I would love that.
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    My concern with Naz is if he can be consistent as a starter. He's got way too many games without much impact. Can't have a $30M a year player not doing much in like a third of his games, that's exactly what we criticize Devin for.
    Reid seems to be a pretty solid defender (84th percentile CraftedDPM per Crafted NBA) and shoots the three better than Evin though. I think I'd be pretty happy with him at PF though see no good way to land him.

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    Reid seems to be a pretty solid defender (84th percentile CraftedDPM per Crafted NBA) and shoots the three better than Evin though. I think I'd be pretty happy with him at PF though see no good way to land him.
    I see that you mentioned McDaniels, I'd maybe even prefer him.
    Mentioned him in that other topic, he's having one of the best months of his career, finally found his shot.

    Idk what's Randle planning to do, but if we assume he leaves and Naz gets ~$30M Randle is on, they'll still be at ~$175M payroll for the next season with just 7 current rotation members still on the roster, one of them being washed Conley.
    NAW is surely gone, another player I'm interested in.

    Idk if offering them their swap back and Evin for McDaniels would be worth it, I guess maybe with a third team involved.
    Tbh, if we have to take Conley, I'd be fine with it. He can be the backup PG for the next season.

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    We'll just have to see this summer, but I don't think Naz will get $35MM starting. If we had the cap space, I wouldn't want us to spend that on him.

    Not interested in Lauri at $46.4MM anymore either. Would rather have a good $25MM and a $21MM player. We're talking about our 4th and 5th options here, after all.
    Totally agree with Scott here.

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    Well this Markannen talk was based on the Spurs getting the #3 pick. And short of trading that pick plus the Frienship Crew to NOP for TMIII and Herb Jones not sure how you'd put a package together meeting that desire that's better than Mark. What's your we got the #3 pick but don't like Bailey trade? Assuming NOP told BWright to piss off with that deal I suggested.

    Reid and McDaniels maybe? I would love that.
    If we landed #3, then my ideal trade would be #3 and Devin to NOP for TMIII. I think we'd get some additional compensation coming back, so maybe IND's pick next year (protected top 4) or a future Lotto Protected NOP pick, or maybe just some more SRPs. I like TMIII way more than Dev, but I don't think the gap between them is worth #3.

    Maybe instead it's just Keldon and #3 for TMIII with no additional picks coming back, and then you still have Vassell to move in a separate trade?

    I have honestly not put much thought into this, but its a fun scenario. I'd have to think about it more.

    But all else equal, I'd put TMIII >>>>> Lauri, and (as I think everyone knows) I like Lauri a lot. This is based solely on their contracts, TMIII is $20MM/yr cheaper. They rate pretty similarly offensively, though Lauri is significantly better on the offensive boards. Trey's defense has fallen off a cliff this season (it's actually worse than Lauri's this year, about on par with Devin's), but he was a positive defender previous to this year. I'm slightly concerned that the drop off might be like when Devin's fell off when he started focusing on his offensive game. Trey improved his defense every year until this one though, where's Devin's progressively got worse every year.

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    Nips continues to impress

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    He will be gone by the time the Spurs pick tbh

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    Also 35 as the first year salary would be an overpay for Naz

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    Folks would take 2 good games from a 6’9” guy and run with it, meanwhile a guy like Kon who clearly has “it” will take people 2 seasons to buy in.

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    What's with pronouncing his name K-nuppel just like K-nect...we dont do that with knock and knight...the k is silent...???

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    What's with pronouncing his name K-nuppel just like K-nect...we dont do that with knock and knight...the k is silent...???
    Maybe they just don't want to say "Nipple" openly.

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    Nips continues to impress
    Yup. He does all the little effort things to help the team win. Reminiscent of Manu in that particular way. Never stops moving.

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    What's with pronouncing his name K-nuppel just like K-nect...we dont do that with knock and knight...the k is silent...???
    They're German names. Knecht actually means knight in German.

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    Folks would take 2 good games from a 6’9” guy and run with it, meanwhile a guy like Kon who clearly has “it” will take people 2 seasons to buy in.
    Serious question, though. Like I’ve said many times before, I like Kon a lot, but how do you know that he’s not just an elite college player and that his game will actually translate to the next level, considering his relative lack of size and length?

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    Serious question, though. Like I’ve said many times before, I like Kon a lot, but how do you know that he’s not just an elite college player and that his game will actually translate to the next level, considering his relative lack of size and length?
    That’s always the question. It’s also one of the cautions about going Gaga over 4th or 5th year seniors, especially ones who have never been on the radar before.

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    Kon has a game similar to Cam Spencer. Both on championship teams with very similar games/stats.

    Would you have used a top 10 pick on Cam Spencer last year? If not then why use one on Kneuppel this year. Same type of game/player.

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    Kon has a game similar to Cam Spencer. Both on championship teams with very similar games/stats.

    Would you have used a top 10 pick on Cam Spencer last year? If not then why use one on Kneuppel this year. Same type of game/player.
    That's like saying Michael Jordan and JR Rider are the same type of player.... We'll, yea they're the same archetype, but the difference is astronomical.

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    That's like saying Michael Jordan and JR Rider are the same type of player.... We'll, yea they're the same archetype, but the difference is astronomical.
    No it isn't.

    Where is the big difference? Similar stats and similar games, compare stats. Spencer even slightly better.

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    Serious question, though. Like I’ve said many times before, I like Kon a lot, but how do you know that he’s not just an elite college player and that his game will actually translate to the next level, considering his relative lack of size and length?
    Knueppel is pretty big. He's SF size, he's not really a SG.

    As for the comparison to Cam Spencer, Spencer was a five year senior and Knueppel is a freshman. There's a full four year plus difference between them at time of draft.

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    Knueppel is pretty big. He's SF size, he's not really a SG.

    As for the comparison to Cam Spencer, Spencer was a five year senior and Knueppel is a freshman. There's a full four year plus difference between them at time of draft.
    Age and height difference Spencer is 6'4 but Kon will measure smaller than his listed 6'7. Both play as guards with similar games and stats.

    One is being mocked inside the top 10 and Spencer was drafted 53rd in the 2nd round. I don't believe Kon warrants such a high pick and should be mocked inside the top 10. Another case like sheppard being over valued although Kon has more upside and is better than Sheppard.

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