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What's with the obsession with Fleming? He's good, I guess, and an archetype, but I swear no one here every saw a single St Joe's game.
For spurs', need, Fleming > Kon> Tre Johnson.
Dejounte and Lebowen analyzed in a separate topic, both of them are right. We need both shooters and big defenders who can bang inside and chase guards outside. Fleming will serve both purpose. So, I hope we draft him. Plus, trade Keldon for Naz Reed.
What's with the obsession with Fleming? He's good, I guess, and an archetype, but I swear no one here every saw a single St Joe's game.
The problem is this…
When a low-medium athlete, high skill athlete hits— you get your Lukas, Doncics, Currys, and many more
when your low skill, high athlete hits— you get your Giannises, Siakams, (I would have said Kawhi, but his talent level in college was higher than anyone actually remembered)…and that’s it?
yet you guys are fantasizing that there’s a lot more similar types that come out of group B when most of the stars you’re thinking these top athletes can become were already skilled from the getgo
And then you have Jokic, Luka. Bird wasn’t a leaper either. Andre Miller. Agree it’s a mixture of both with BBIQ having the more weight consideration for me.
High basketball IQ will always take priority over everything else just because it's faster to be in the right position than it is to be in the wrong position and have to move the right position
However, this year I've leaned slightly more in the rascal direction - whereas last year I didn't give a about physical characteristics/athleticism at all, this year I'm trying to find a balance. In Dejounte's IQ/Skill/Athleticism heuristic (and I'd probably add "motor" as the 4th element), I weigh skill and athleticism / physical characteristics about equal, with skill probably taking a slight precedence.
But I'd probably take a medium skill/medium physical characteristics guy over a high skill/low physical characteristics guy all things being equal.
In this case, physical characteristics is anything that can give a physical advantage over an opponent relative to skill, including length, strength, explosiveness, agility, endurance, etc.
Also, so long as a prospect shows some amount of touch indicators relative to position, I still don't care whether a prospect can shoot the 3 or not - especially not underclassmen
EDIT:
Was just thinking about this some more, skill and physical characteristics actually go hand in hand to some degree. In general smaller guys are more skilled, but if a bigger guy shows himself to be as skilled other guys who are much smaller, that inherently gives him a size physical advantage over his peers. In this way, guys like Jokic and Luka actually have more physical advantages than originally thought. Curry is the only exception but honestly this preference list really only applies to the non GOAT level outliers
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It’s the archetype and his positional size.
I want him as well. You don’t find many guys that can offer legitimate rim protection while being able to defend the perimeter, while also providing floor spacing and interior finishing offensively in one player
its the unicorn PF that would fit great with Wemby
caveat that he’s not really a great interior “finisher” as other thank dunks i don’t think he has shown great touch around the rim. But he knows how to timely cut and is a very good athlete so he’s able to dunk fairly often
I don’t want a deer, either. I consider Bailey to nearly fall in this category, with his horrible asst/TO ratio. Do not want. I hated Cam Reddish when he came out, and that’s the vibe I get from Bailey, the scary low floor. I just think with our last lotto pick for a while, we should take a swing. We’ll have plenty of time for high IQ safe picks when we’re stuck in the 20s for a decade or more.
It’s funny, because this board used to about drafting high IQ, high character guys, and passing on athletes. Now, the board es about drafting raw athletic prospects, and wants high IQ guys. Basically, this board hates however the team currently drafts.
Yes, size, height, wingspan all can add a physical advantage and plays into how a prospect can overcome some limitations in athleticism.
I was also bullish on Fleming, until his recent poor showing against Axel Lendeborg. The latter has a similar physical profile but with much higher BBIQ. Perhaps this one bad game is merely an outlier and not indicative of any red flags.
Bailey is no brainer #3 tbh
hes not a bad defender and even if he’s not a lockdown man defender he’s disruptive on that end.
I'd take Flagg and Harper well above anyone from last year's draft... but I'm officially less excited about the rest of this class than I was last year's class.
Trade both picks, tbh
Even if they dont pronounce the k unless eu is an i sound in German id pronounce it knupel or knoopel in English
no it doesn‘tKnecht means servant and the K is loud, not silent
Fears just seems like a bad fit
Yaxel… seems reminiscent of our very own Mamu. If he’s bigger and stronger than I think, everything about him seems like the archetype the Spurs are looking for at PF. He’s old, which sucks, but if the Spurs see something there I would be excited. Either the Spurs believe Yaxel has something Mamu doesn’t and he’s everything they were trying to looking for from Mamu OR they have seen enough of what someone like Mamu would bring to this team and it’s not the path they want to go for.
If Yaxel is merely a clone copy of Mamu, then I think they’ll pass.
why hasn’t Mamu gotten consistent playing time? It’s either he’s not passing the Spurs’ eye test on defending perimeter players OR they feel he’s not doing an effective job when he’s switched onto an opposing C and he’s being pushed over or scored on easily. If Yaxel passes both of these tests, then he’s a Spurs pick, IMO.
Raptors have found themselves on an unexpected 4W streak.
They're just 3Ws behind the Spurs and have the easiest schedule remaining, with Pistons being the only playoff team and they'll probably have some suspensions due to Timberwolves brawl.
We might find ourselves in an epic tank-off for 7th best odds on the last day of the season.
On the other hand, Blazers have 4L streak and we simply can't afford to win our h2h against them since they're just 1W ahead.
Bulls and Heat should be out of the picture with their easy schedules, we're more or less guaranteed to be in #7-9 range. Hopefully Mitch can pull off a miracle and get us 7th best odds.
#tank4Kon
Reminds me of the tank thriller against who was it DET maybe where both teams were tanking and it was a close loss lol
is it this one maybe: https://www.nba.com/game/sas-vs-det-0022100540
I think I remember that one.
Brent Forms with 22 FGA, Saddiq Bey with 23 and Hamidou Diallo with 32.
holy haha man it was a real dark ages for spurs fans. Can't believe I watched so many Forbes games lol.I think I remember that one.
Brent Forms with 22 FGA, Saddiq Bey with 23 and Hamidou Diallo with 32.
Yeah, someone corrected me. Do you not read the threads? What's interesting is that our knight does come from the German Knecht, so somehow the meaning slid.no it doesn‘t
And yes, my point was that in German the K is pronounced.
Just feel like there's a lot of excitement about a player no one has actually watched solely because he seems to play a position of need. He's definitely not a unicorn.
There's not really any real comparison. You just don't like him because he doesn't fit your archetype. I'm willing to bet you that he has a better pro career than your boy Shaden Sharpe..
Sharpe will be better
There was also the De'vonte Graham debut game versus Detroit in an epic 2OT tankathon thriller. https://www.espn.com/nba/game/_/game.../spurs-pistonsI think I remember that one.
Brent Forms with 22 FGA, Saddiq Bey with 23 and Hamidou Diallo with 32.
Imagine how terrible your roster construction needs to be to be led by Graham with 31, Zollins with 29 and Branhim with 27.
ST does have strong contrarian tendencies, that's for sure.
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