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clifford is not falling to the 2nd round
haven't heard much here on the following players: johni broom, alex condon, and nique clifford. What are some of yalls thoughts, and would anybody be on board if one fell to the spurs with the 38th pick. (assuming no one better lands in their lap at that point[including carter bryant]).
clifford is not falling to the 2nd round
I don't make bets with people I don't know and who I'm not even sure will pay out. Also how would you set the parameters as who is better and when will the bet be determined. After 3 years? 5 years?
It's just going to have to stay your opinion vs my opinion.
Go ahead and go for the limited upside player in Kon and I'll go for the athletic freak who still needs to improve areas on defense and 3p shooting %.
I'm good with 3 or 5. Also, I'll use DPG as a reference, we bet on something draft oriented a few years ago with the winner making a contribution to St Judes. He won... I paid...and then he matched me... it was a win for what mattered most.
The 'role player' will play a real role that contributes to winning and the 'athletic freak' won't ever be more than a role player that doesn't contribute to winning basketball.
Yeah, unlikely. But Eason would be a different vibe than Devin, that's where I'm at. Jabari is obviously the higher ceiling player but Eason might not fit into their budget unless they move on from Jalen Green or others.
I see Fears from OU is entering the draft. I didn't watch OU at all this season. I read a little about him. Does anyone have a fair player comparison for him? Also, how does his game compare to another former Sooner, Trey Young?
I am big on Broom, have been for the last few months. I doubt we use either top 20 pick on him though.
Toolsy, young, undeveloped player. Super quick, but kind of a loose handle, not a great 3 point shooter, but 85% FTs on over six attempts per game, so a strong shooting signal. He’ll be 18 on draft night. He’s raised a few eyebrows by being #40 in his HS recruiting class, and now mocking around #10.
Spurs won't draft him. A small offensive minded guard that has quickness. Spurs already have that with Fox.
Fears is 18. Fox is 27, and at some point will need replacing.
It’s kind of crazy to enter college at 17 in a D1 power conference and do what he’s done already.
Spurs are still in the process of putting a balanced winning team together and aren't yet at the point of trying to think long term of players who will replace current all star core starters.
Upgrades at the 3 and 4 are top priorities at this time.
Thanks guys
Not only am I high on Broome, also JT Toppin. I would stoked if we walked out of the draft with both. It would involve a trade or two, but so be it.
This is how I have it as of now having watched at least 4 games of each prospect. Would be happy with the spurs ending up with 3 of these guys if they keep their picks. Have not watched international guys
2025 NBA Draft Board
1. Cooper Flagg-potential Franchise Guy
2. Derik Queen-potential all-star
3. Dylan Harper potential all-star
4. Tre Johnson potential all-star
5. Kon Knueppel potential all-star
6. Jase Richardson potential all-star
7. Vj Edgecombe potential all-star
8. Ace Bailey potential all-star
9. Rasheer Fleming potential starter
10. Thomas Sorber potential starter
11. Kasparas Jakucionis potential starter
12. Nique Clifford potential starter
13. Collin Murray-Boyles potential starter
14. Jeremiah Fears potential starter
15. Egor Denim potential starter
16. Khaman Maluach potential starter
17. Asa Newell potential role player bench
18. Carter Bryant potential role player bench
19. Isaiah Evans potential role player bench
20. Sion James potential role player bench
21. Walter Clayton Jr. potential role player bench
22. Tyrese Proctor potential role player bench
23. Will Riley developmental prospect
24. Darrion Williams developmental prospect
25. Ian Jackson developmental prospect
26. Yaxel Lendeborg developmental prospect
27. Chaz Lanier developmental prospect
28. Maxime Raynaud developmental prospect
29. Thomislav Ivisic developmental prospect
30. Ryan Kalkbrenner developmental prospect
Im out on Wolf because for a guy that will need the ball he sucks at free throws. Broome and Congdon I think are shorter than listed. Also out on Mcneely because he is a shooter that can’t shoot. Measurables could change things and I’ll watch some of the international guys later but yeah I would be happy with 3 of these
i dont think McNeeley "cant shoot" but he was on an abysmal cold streak for the last month and a half, not unlike what we saw from Risacher last year. and his entire season was 27 games
for the first half of the season or so he was around 37-38% from 3, and for the full season hes an 87% free throw shooter i think if his role simplifies in the NBA (as it should, UConn had him on-ball too much), he should bounce back. he has a quick and crisp release.
my questions with him are really on the other end. he's not a very good defender, but him getting 6 rebounds per game tells me he's a reasonable athlete. i think measurements will go a long way in determining if he could survive as a 3. i wouldnt mind landing him with the hawks pick (depending on what happens with our earlier pick)
to be fair the games I watched of him were later in the season but yeah don’t love his defense. I wouldn’t be super upset if the Spurs drafted him with hawks pick but I think there are better prospects. When I have time I’ll go watch his early season stuff
The Spurs only have two firsts and their own second in this draft. Your list would need to go to around #38 or 39 for the Spurs to be guaranteed to get 3 off of it.
Today, I have a hard time seeing, once it’s all said and done, how a player outside of the two Rutgers kids, the 3 Dookies, and VJ goes is the Top 6. I think the “champions” narratives will be too strong in favor of the non-Cooper Duke guys, and Queen will get dinged on his fitness.
[QUOTE=scottspurs;11225429]This is how I have it as of now having watched at least 4 games of each prospect. Would be happy with the spurs ending up with 3 of these guys if they keep their picks. Have not watched international guys
2025 NBA Draft Board
1. Cooper Flagg-potential Franchise Guy
2. Derik Queen-potential all-star
3. Dylan Harper potential all-star
4. Tre Johnson potential all-star
5. Kon Knueppel potential all-star
6. Jase Richardson potential all-star
7. Vj Edgecombe potential all-star
8. Ace Bailey potential all-star
9. Rasheer Fleming potential starter
10. Thomas Sorber potential starter
11. Kasparas Jakucionis potential starter
12. Nique Clifford potential starter
13. Collin Murray-Boyles potential starter
14. Jeremiah Fears potential starter
15. Egor Denim potential starter
16. Khaman Maluach potential starter
17. Asa Newell potential role player bench
18. Carter Bryant potential role player bench
19. Isaiah Evans potential role player bench
20. Sion James potential role player bench
21. Walter Clayton Jr. potential role player bench
22. Tyrese Proctor potential role player bench
23. Will Riley developmental prospect
24. Darrion Williams developmental prospect
25. Ian Jackson developmental prospect
26. Yaxel Lendeborg developmental prospect
27. Chaz Lanier developmental prospect
28. Maxime Raynaud developmental prospect
29. Thomislav Ivisic developmental prospect
30. Ryan Kalkbrenner developmental prospect
Good list!
I'm not high on Derik Queen at all. To see him in an NCAA tournament game walking back on D and having his hands down when he finally gets back in the play is so against the grain of the game in my mind. His inside and mid-game on O is great, however. Going against NBA quality bigs might be too much for a guy like that. I might've said the same of Sengun, but, he at least tries, he's just ty at D. Queen wasn't even trying in an NCAA tourney game. Yikes.
yeah but I’m also assuming one of those guys would be there in 2nd round. If not you are looking at a 2-way Gleague player anyway. Also haven’t watched international prospects
McNeely is 100% a better shooter than he showed this season. As spurraider21 mentioned, he shot it really poorly down the backstretch of the season, but that's not indicative of the type of shooter he really is. He can usually stroke it (pause) from deep. My bigger concern with him by far is on the defensive side of the ball, where his athletic limitations and lack of length will hinder him at the next level.
[QUOTE=ginobilized;11225467]Queen is definitely not the perfect prospect but his skill level at that size is rare. I don’t think he makes it to the Spurs if they don’t move up. Also probably best suited for him to go to a franchise that doesn’t have any expectations so he can grow his game.
Interesting, because I came to the exact opposite conclusion regarding McNeeley's athleticism - his athleticism indicators (BLK%, OREB%, dunks) are concerningly low for a guy who's legitimately 6'8+ in shoes (UConn doesn't typically fudge numbers if you look at how their players measure out at the combine)
McNeeley - 3.7 OREB%, 0.6 BLK%, 4 dunks @ 6'8" (legitimately)
Jeremiah Fears (a decent athlete) - 3.1 OREB%, 0.5 BLK%, 9 dunks @ 6'4" (generously)
Kon Knueppel (the poster child for unathletic) - 4.2 OREB%, 0.6 BLK%, 2 dunks @ 6'7" (also generously)
For comparison of what high level athleticism looks like from a numbers standpoint:
Rasheer Fleming - 7.6 OREB%, 4.9 BLK%, 43 dunks @ 6'9"
I am actually very concerned about McNeeley's athleticism at the next level. It's not so much that he's bad at 1 of the 3 categories, but more the overall picture that his numbers paint.
McNeeley was asked to do too much at UCONN.
UCONN was short on talent this year. McNeeley struggled as the primary scorer down the stretch but is now under rated for the NBA draft. Put in a position not to be the primary scorer he will be fine.
Imo, it's about fit.
Knueppel looks great, but I don't think he's got star potential. High end role player, borderline all-star looks to be his best case.
For example, I don't see why would Raptors draft him. They have so many of those guard hybrids and small forwards, but they don't have a floor general.
If they're outside of top4, I don't see them getting Knueppel or Tre Johnson over Jakucionis or Fears.
Even Maluach to take over from Poeltl who has a lot of value would be a great pick for them.
Nets will have literally nothing and Knueppel isn't the guy you take a swing on after you bottom out. They need someone with superstar upside.
Blazers also have too many SG/SFs, but then again, they seem to be well-rounded and in need of a franchise player.
Pelicans are similar to Raptors, they need a PG while Dejounte is out or another big.
Sixers and Hornets are our main Knueppel rivals, imo. If they're in #5-7 range and ahead of us, he's gone, tbh.
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