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    there's an eyeball test for African asylum seekers

    www.nytimes.com/2025/03/30/u...

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    The "men" here crying over deportations are full of estrogen.
    the stupid backlash to it might collect you

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    there are 600,000 people in the class

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    "Secretary [Noam]’s actions appear predicated on negative stereotypes casting class-wide aspersions."

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    whoopsie

    The Trump administration acknowledged in a courtfiling Monday that it had grabbed a Maryland father with protected legal status and mistakenly deported him to El Salvador, but said that U.S. courts lack jurisdiction to order his return from the megaprison where he’s now locked up.


    The case appears to be the first time the Trump administration has admitted to errors when it sent three planeloads of Salvadoran and Venezuelan deportees to El Salvador’s grim “Terrorism Confinement Center” on March 15.
    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...i-w5fH-zT91Z90

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    "we ed up, but you lose anyway"

    Simon Sandoval-Moshenberg, Abrego Garcia’s attorney, said he’s never seen a case in which the government knowingly deported someone who had already received protected legal status from an immigration judge. He is asking the court to order the Trump administration to ask for Abrego Garcia’s return and, if necessary, to withhold payment to the Salvadoran government, which says it’s charging the United States $6 million a year to jail U.S. deportees.

    Trump administration attorneys told the court to dismiss the request on multiple grounds, including that Trump’s “primacy in foreign affairs” outweighs the interests of Abrego Garcia and his family.

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    Court filings show Abrego Garcia came to the United States at age 16 in 2011 after fleeing gang threats in his native El Salvador. In 2019 he received a form of protected legal status known as “withholding of removal” from a U.S. immigration judge who found he would likely be targeted by gangs if deported back.


    Abrego Garcia, who is married to a U.S. citizen and has a 5-year-old disabled child who is also a U.S. citizen, has no criminal record in the United States, according to his attorney. The Trump administration does not claim he has a criminal record, but called him a “danger to the community” and an active member of MS-13, the Salvadoran gang that Trump has declared a Foreign Terrorist Organization.

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    there's no reason to object to due process unless you're doing shady

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    TSA gonna have to take a vacation from this thread for awhile too.

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    the stupid backlash to it might collect you
    What are you deluded about now?

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    Court filings show Abrego Garcia came to the United States at age 16 in 2011 after fleeing gang threats in his native El Salvador. In 2019 he received a form of protected legal status known as “withholding of removal” from a U.S. immigration judge who found he would likely be targeted by gangs if deported back.


    Abrego Garcia, who is married to a U.S. citizen and has a 5-year-old disabled child who is also a U.S. citizen, has no criminal record in the United States, according to his attorney. The Trump administration does not claim he has a criminal record, but called him a “danger to the community” and an active member of MS-13, the Salvadoran gang that Trump has declared a Foreign Terrorist Organization.
    Watching you guys go to bat for illegal immigrant MS13 members is comedy gold


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    Watching you guys go to bat for illegal immigrant MS13 members is comedy gold

    Abrego Garcia is barred from disputing that, as a member of the criminal
    gang MS-13, he is a danger to the community. This factual finding was made in his
    bond proceedings before the agency, IJ Order 2–3, and he appealed that finding to
    the Board of Immigration Appeals, which affirmed it as not clearly erroneous, BIA
    Opinion 1–2. Because he did not seek further review of the Board’s decision, that
    decision is a final judgment precluding relitigation of the issues it resolved.

    Hagan Case 8:25-cv-00951-PX Do ent 11 Filed 03/31/25 Page 17 of 22
    16 v. McNallen (In re McNallen), 62 F.3d 619, 624 (4th Cir. 1995) (noting that
    collateral estoppel may apply to administrative proceedings as well as judicial).
    Collateral estoppel applies when “(1) the issue sought to be precluded [was]
    the same as that involved in the prior action, (2) that issue [was] actually litigated,
    (3) it [was] determined by a valid and final judgment, and (4) the determination
    [was] essential to the prior judgment.” Combs v. Richardson, 838 F.2d 112, 115
    (4th Cir. 1988) (quoting In re Ross, 602 F.2d 604, 607–08 (3d Cir. 1979)); see also In
    re McNallen, 62 F.3d at 624 (requiring that “the party against whom the prior
    decision was asserted enjoyed a full and fair opportunity to litigate that issue in an
    earlier proceedings”).

    Here, Abrego Garcia cannot now relitigate the finding that he is a danger to
    the community. That issue was actually litigated and decided in his bond hearing in
    2019. IJ Order 2–3 (“Respondent failed to meet his burden of demonstrating that
    his release from custody would not pose a danger to others, as the evidence shows
    that he is a verified member of MS-13” and he “has failed to present evidence to
    rebut that assertion.”). He appealed that decision to the appropriate administrative
    review body, the Board of Immigration Appeals, which adopted and affirmed the
    immigration judge’s “danger ruling” notwithstanding Abrego Garcia’s arguments.
    BIA Opinion 1–2. There is no evidence of further review by the Fourth Circuit, and
    the time for such review has passed, so the agency decision is a valid and final
    judgment.

    Moreover, because the Board affirmed the immigration judge solely on
    the ground that Abrego Garcia was a danger to the community, that ground is
    Case 8:25-cv-00951-PX Do ent 11 Filed 03/31/25 Page 18 of 22
    17 essential to the judgment. Restatement (Second) of Judgments § 27 cmt. o (Am. L.
    Inst. 1982). Finally, Abrego Garcia had a full and fair opportunity to litigate the
    issue. He had the opportunity to give evidence tending to show he was not part of
    MS-13, which he did not proffer. IJ Order 2–3. And he had sufficient motivation to
    challenge the finding—he needed to prevail on it to obtain bond pending his
    removal proceedings. See Compl. ¶ 39 (discussing missing the birth of his son
    because he was detained); accord Restatement (Second) of Judgments § 28 cmt. j
    (discussing unfairness in applying preclusive effect to first judgment when “the
    amount in controversy in the first action [was] so small in relation to the amount in
    controversy in the second”). Thus, the finding of Abrego Garcia’s danger to the
    community is conclusive, and he is estopped from challenging it now.

    https://storage.courtlistener.com/re...78815.11.0.pdf

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    What are you deluded about now?
    abuse of power breeds its own backlash

    extreme policies can get turned around on y'all whenever you lose an election

    golden rule and all that

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    abuse of power breeds its own backlash

    extreme policies can get turned around on y'all whenever you lose an election

    golden rule and all that
    Yeah I really don't care about your deluded world you seem to live in.

    As well, I don't lose elections because I don't campaign to be an elected official.

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    Watching you guys go to bat for illegal immigrant MS13 members is comedy gold

    Lol "unidentified past proven source" good now

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    Abrego Garcia is barred from disputing that, as a member of the criminal
    gang MS-13, he is a danger to the community. This factual finding was made in his
    bond proceedings before the agency, IJ Order 2–3, and he appealed that finding to
    the Board of Immigration Appeals, which affirmed it as not clearly erroneous, BIA
    Opinion 1–2. Because he did not seek further review of the Board’s decision, that
    decision is a final judgment precluding relitigation of the issues it resolved.

    Hagan Case 8:25-cv-00951-PX Do ent 11 Filed 03/31/25 Page 17 of 22
    16 v. McNallen (In re McNallen), 62 F.3d 619, 624 (4th Cir. 1995) (noting that
    collateral estoppel may apply to administrative proceedings as well as judicial).
    Collateral estoppel applies when “(1) the issue sought to be precluded [was]
    the same as that involved in the prior action, (2) that issue [was] actually litigated,
    (3) it [was] determined by a valid and final judgment, and (4) the determination
    [was] essential to the prior judgment.” Combs v. Richardson, 838 F.2d 112, 115
    (4th Cir. 1988) (quoting In re Ross, 602 F.2d 604, 607–08 (3d Cir. 1979)); see also In
    re McNallen, 62 F.3d at 624 (requiring that “the party against whom the prior
    decision was asserted enjoyed a full and fair opportunity to litigate that issue in an
    earlier proceedings”).

    Here, Abrego Garcia cannot now relitigate the finding that he is a danger to
    the community. That issue was actually litigated and decided in his bond hearing in
    2019. IJ Order 2–3 (“Respondent failed to meet his burden of demonstrating that
    his release from custody would not pose a danger to others, as the evidence shows
    that he is a verified member of MS-13” and he “has failed to present evidence to
    rebut that assertion.”). He appealed that decision to the appropriate administrative
    review body, the Board of Immigration Appeals, which adopted and affirmed the
    immigration judge’s “danger ruling” notwithstanding Abrego Garcia’s arguments.
    BIA Opinion 1–2. There is no evidence of further review by the Fourth Circuit, and
    the time for such review has passed, so the agency decision is a valid and final
    judgment.

    Moreover, because the Board affirmed the immigration judge solely on
    the ground that Abrego Garcia was a danger to the community, that ground is
    Case 8:25-cv-00951-PX Do ent 11 Filed 03/31/25 Page 18 of 22
    17 essential to the judgment. Restatement (Second) of Judgments § 27 cmt. o (Am. L.
    Inst. 1982). Finally, Abrego Garcia had a full and fair opportunity to litigate the
    issue. He had the opportunity to give evidence tending to show he was not part of
    MS-13, which he did not proffer. IJ Order 2–3. And he had sufficient motivation to
    challenge the finding—he needed to prevail on it to obtain bond pending his
    removal proceedings. See Compl. ¶ 39 (discussing missing the birth of his son
    because he was detained); accord Restatement (Second) of Judgments § 28 cmt. j
    (discussing unfairness in applying preclusive effect to first judgment when “the
    amount in controversy in the first action [was] so small in relation to the amount in
    controversy in the second”). Thus, the finding of Abrego Garcia’s danger to the
    community is conclusive, and he is estopped from challenging it now.

    https://storage.courtlistener.com/re...78815.11.0.pdf
    ICE admitted it was an error. You still trying to simp for deportation of this guy is comedy platinum

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    what a pitiful clown

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    Lol "unidentified past proven source" good now
    That quote is from the immigration judge you stupid

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    ICE admitted it was an error. You still trying to simp for deportation of this guy is comedy platinum
    Simping for illegal immigrant MS13 members

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    ICE admitted it was an error. You still trying to simp for deportation of this guy is comedy platinum
    illegal immigrant MS13 gang member that immigration judge ruled a danger to the community got sent home

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    illegal immigrant MS13 gang member that immigration judge ruled a danger to the community got sent home
    Looks like you missed a step there.

    According to court do ents, Abrego Garcia in 2019 he was served a notice to appear in immigration court. An immigration judge did find him to be removable from the U.S. — but granted him a withholding of removal, which barred the U.S. government from deporting him to El Salvador specifically.

    The Board of Immigration Appeals, which handles appeals from both immigrants and the U.S. government, later upheld Abrego Garcia's block on being deported to El Salvador.

    Abrego Garcia's lawyers and Robert Cerna, acting field office director for Enforcement Removal Operations, both agree that these prior court decisions mean that Abrego Garcia should not have been deported to El Salvador last month.

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    Why did you leave all that out, sport?

    Why are you and your political heroes so bad at everything that actually matters?

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    Hoisted on his own pe , a classic TSA maneuver

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