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I don't think KG had anything approaching Prime DRob's agility nor athleticism which is why I choose Giannis as the closest comparison.
Imo, not counting shooters due to obvious reasons, he's the all-time great who would benefit the most from modern basketball.
Can't even say Giannis would have better handles if Admiral was developing his skills in the modern era.
I don't think KG had anything approaching Prime DRob's agility nor athleticism which is why I choose Giannis as the closest comparison.
Yeah if David played in this era where your big has to be able to switch onto guards and hit jumpers JFC would he be dominant. And no way he doesn't develop a three in this era.
I’m not sure about that. Dave was a superior athlete but I don’t think he really understood the game like the best of them. I think malik rose said Dave was the dumbest smart person ever, they’d go out from a timeout and Dave was like “what was that play about?” And Malik’s like “that’s your play!” The game has changed so much. In the 90s superior athleticism can take you to a very high level, but I felt in today’s game it’s not about understanding the game with all the movements and cuts. I still think Dave would be great, and not like he was stupid and clueless, but Dave would have a hard time excelling in the plays that are much more complex in today’s game.
That's weird. Doesn't D-Rob have a pretty high IQ. I know certain things (even simple things) can be hard to understand for some people, but I wouldn't have thought D-Rob would have a hard time understanding basketball plays?
Yeah I don’t think really much of that is correct. I actually think the game is easier today than it ever has been. It’s why players like LeBron, KD, Steph can put up their counting stats without really breaking a sweat. It’s also why Vic can average nearly 25 a game as a second year player despite not really knowing what to do on offense all the time. The league literally put rules in place to help offense.
With today’s small ass players, a prime DRob would just demolish everyone. He is faster than every center in the league. He is bigger than all of them except two. And he is too quick for Joker and Embiid. The only player I can think of that had Drobs size and athleticism is Wilt. Not even Giannis is on DRobs level for that. And Giannis gets 30 a game just by blowing by people on pick n roll. In today’s NBA, that’s all Robinson would need to do to score. Lucky for him though that unlike Giannis, Robinson had a jumper.
Now as far as Robinson bb iq, I have made mention numerous times on this site that if I were to draft one player from the history of the sport, it would be David Robinson. And that’s primarily bc the man was so great despite never being taught how to play basketball. Long rant ahead.
Think about it. He went to Navy. ing Navy in the 80s for college. Wtf does Navy know about college basketball? Nothing. Imagine if he went to Dean Smith in North Carolina and was actually taught the game of basketball. I actually went back and watched some old tape of Robinson Navy games and it was atrocious basketball. Holy if that wasn’t the epitome of what you were talking about with just Robinson being gifted and relying on athleticism. Defensively it was Dave bail us out and offensively it was a show.
So Robinson spent 4 years “learning” basketball from a place that barely knows how to keep boats afloat. Then he takes 2 years off completely from basketball. And do the Spurs hire a coach to train him? To teach him the system or break down film, or work on his game? Nope. Not one iota. It’s just 2 years off (including being schooled by Sabonis) and we give him Larry Brown. And Larry Brown was the first person who ever taught Robinson how to play basketball. It was such an eye opening experience that 30 years later Robinson chose him as his representative for the HOF. And Brown taught him for all of a season and a half. Might’ve been 2 seasons, it’s been so long ago I forgot.
But Brown has to deal with McCombs and leaves. Now Robinson in his prime has zero people to teach him how to play basketball. He learns literally 6 different systems in 5 years. And his best coach during that timeframe is Bob Hill. The guy who told Durant he wouldn’t make it as a SF in the league. And then Robinson gets hurt, loses his athleticism, and is just never the same guy. And by the time Pop gets him, it’s too late. He’s not a young buck anymore and he still never learns the game at a high level. Pop is focused on Timmy.
Now imagine a world where Dave went to NC. Was coached 3 years by Dean Smith. Got drafted to a competent franchise instead of the show that was SA. He had an actual game plan around him and dint waste 2 years of his career on the Navy. Imagine for instance if he went from Larry Brown to Chuck Daly (instead of 17 game Tark) and then he gets Pop. He’s taught by 4 HOF coaches. Now he has the smarts, and with all 4 of them being his coach he has the drive too bc if there’s one thing Smith, Brown, Pop, and Daly believe in it’s that details and little things matter. So D-Rob is brought up the right way. And he knows the game of basketball on a Timmy D level. And then imagine if he doesn’t get hurt. So you have the most gifted athlete maybe in NBA history, with a drive too bc improve, with knowledge of the game, and a surrounded by people who actually know what the they are doing. It’s a scary thought. And tbh I think he would’ve been up there with Kareem as the best center ever.
Modern day DRob is probably also something like a 37% 3P shooter on decent volume. He'd be as much the unicorn as everyone is counting on Wemby to be.
DRob is and engineering mind, super smart in that aspect. I think he was building TVs or something like that for fun when he was grade 10 or something like that. Basketball, or sports in general is just so different. It’s more about positioning, reading plays, guessing what will happen next, anticipating, so on and so forth.
Frankly I was really surprise when I heard Malik say that, I’m like no way someone who excelled in the game like drob did just coasted on athleticism alone. I personally think it was taken out of context and was put in for TV more than anything and would destroy everyone of us here when talking basketball knowledge, but DRob never really stood out as some insane basketball mind though, like a magic, bird, Jokic and such. And this is coming from a guy who became a basketball fan because of him.
Oh I agreed the admiral never got a proper basketball education, and plays in the 90s were pretty darn simple. I’m not sure if drob would soak up that basketball knowledge if he grew up with it, but the fact is his upbringing valued academics much more than athletics. A guy like duncan never played organized ball until 16 and he soaked that knowledge up quick. I would dare say the admiral was much more athletic than duncan but the big fundamental is a much better athletic mind.
As for stats, I agree the rule changes make scoring much easier. I’m not even sure it’s debatable anymore, but the plays are also much more complex, making scoring even easier if you know how to run plays. Good point about Giannis just bulldozing people for points, and he got a le out of it, it that was one strong team as people forgot how good Jrue was and how important Middletons secondary play making was. Giannis was a finisher and he did it well, I had no doubt robinson is the better finisher between the two but that is not the type of player who is easy to build around today.
There's no ing way Giannis is stronger than the Admiral.
Unless I'm letting bias and nostalgia take over, but I really ing doubt it.
David was a ing beast.
Oh I agreed the admiral never got a proper basketball education, and plays in the 90s were pretty darn simple. I’m not sure if drob would soak up that basketball knowledge if he grew up with it, but the fact is his upbringing valued academics much more than athletics. A guy like duncan never played organized ball until 16 and he soaked that knowledge up quick. I would dare say the admiral was much more athletic than duncan but the big fundamental is a much better athletic mind.
As for stats, I agree the rule changes make scoring much easier. I’m not even sure it’s debatable anymore, but the plays are also much more complex, making scoring even easier if you know how to run plays. Good point about Giannis just bulldozing people for points, and he got a le out of it, it that was one strong team as people forgot how good Jrue was and how important Middletons secondary play making was. Giannis was a finisher and he did it well, I had no doubt robinson is the better finisher between the two but that is not the type of player who is easy to build around today.
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Totally agree. Dave was made for this current era on the NBA. Interesting “what if.” I do think Wemby’s game is more admiral than Timmy.
The other thing I took away for that video is boy it’d be nice to have a Terry mings for Wemby.
He also had a hernia during the Olympics. It came out during one of the games and he pushed it back in and kept playing.
In todays pace and space era prime Dave would average 33-14-5 with 3-4 blocks and 2 steals. He would be a monster.
Cherry picking? Thirty years ago, during season xx, x player played in x international compe ion in which he suffered x injury. Apart from that, most of the time, playing, gaining experience, developing physically and mentally is beneficial for the players, the NTs and the franchise.
The players are not paid. They are estranged from their family. I doubt that all the international players who play to these tournaments do so for patriotic reasons. They go there because it benefits them. To think that this is not the case is quite surprising coming from a Spurs fan who nevertheless has a culture of, yes, thirty years of these offseasons. Not accepting them looks more like the decisions of small franchises, those who think that drafting international players high, bringing them in to integrate them into D-league rosters that have the level of a third division in a handful of European championships is a good decision. To polish jewels, you have to work on them. Not let them languish in their box.
Better a player who starts his season in good shape than a player injured in training or another who draws a gun during an online video, rushes for food or has a car accident, all because he is bored during the six months off of the year.
Players are not prohibited from driving because they may have an accident. They are not forbidden from taking the helicopter because it can crash. They are not prohibited from flying even though statically this increases the risk of venous thrombosis. Baths have not been banned in France since the national pop star was electrocuted there.
If Victor is fully recovered and in good physical condition, if he wants to come to NT to get his butt kicked by Poland, he should come. This can only be beneficial for him, and therefore for Spurs.
One day, I was served a cold pizza at a restaurant. I have refused to eat it ever since. I've been eating croissants ever since. Every day. Partly because I hoped that crescent after crescent, I would eventually get down the full moon ("moving mountains" in NBA rules). Today, I'm going to eat pizza.
LOL, it's not going to happen, there is no chance that we can beat France, with or without Vic, even playing home.
I hope we can still put up a good fight but talent gap is huge.
I've been saying this since the moment we drafted Wemby. Someone to teach him by example of how to be a winning professional. We got it close enough in CP3 and Barnes this season, though neither are on the level that TC was on-the-court David's rookie year. It's a moot point now, but I think that would have really helped Wemby his rookie year.
I've been saying this since the moment we drafted Wemby. Someone to teach him by example of how to be a winning professional. We got it close enough in CP3 and Barnes this season, though neither are on the level that TC was on-the-court David's rookie year. It's a moot point now, but I think that would have really helped Wemby his rookie year.
Neither. Both were NBA strong on their rookie year and could mix it up in the paint with the likes of Ewing, Malone, Barkley or Shaq, Webber, Garnett for Timmy. Granted DRob didn’t really back his defender like a traditional big, more like a spin-move. But nobody’s taking the ball off his claws lest they lose an arm. I doubt if Wemby’s body will ever develop mass to pound inside. Wemby will likely be a more KD face in the basket style and occasionally Garnett moves.
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Who is your GOAT?
Depends on criteria
Narratives - jordan. 6-0 in finals, stopped greats from winning during his reign (Ewing, pedo, Stockton, Barkley, robinson, shaq, miller, Hakeem only won during the two year stint, Payton and kemp), scoring les, steals les, highest blocks for a guard, all nba, defensive teams, mvps, DPoY, Roy basically at accolade that a player can get. Commercially fhe most incredible athlete one can think of, took the nba to new heights. I think Pippen was massively underrated and Jordan wouldn’t have won on any other team, at least not as much. That bulls team was tailor made for him winning les.
Skill set - lebron. He can score, pass, defend, direct offence, half court, full court, shoot later on on his career, ridiculously long prime. Got les, all the accolades, scoring leader despite him supposedly being an even better passer. He can really do it all.
Building a team - duncan. Won two les with no all nba/all star teammates in 99 and 03. Built a dynasty in a small market and I don’t recall anyone else ever doing that. Led the spurs to les in vastly different setups (99 vs 03 vs 05/07 vs 14). Only player with Russell to win two les on the same franchise with totally different teammates. Can carry a defense on very different defensive schemes, can carry an offense in his prime but also be a major cog past his prime. No drama, led by example.
Where is Wemby, he was at the home games in early March and even travelled to some games. he's been missing for 2 or 3 weeks now.
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