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    Pop is an incredible coach and a candidate for the GOAT, regardless of what the miscreants here say.

    That said... it just doesn't appear to be worth risking. Imagine if he has something like this happen during a game? Yeesh. I hope the Spurs keep him on in an advisory role so he can stay plugged into the team, but if he comes back to the sideline I'm just gonna worry about him, I would imagine the players would as well, and it would be a distraction.

    Thanks for all your years, Pop. You set some records that will never be touched by anyone, I would imagine.

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    hipaa precludes health care providers from disclosing such info. not binding on the media or en ies not directly related to the healthcare process
    So,they report that something happened. Do you think people are going to just leave it at that?

    We live in a juvenile social media driven society, and people just can’t leave something like this alone. He’s a ing human being, for s sake, and he deserves any level of privacy that SSE can give him for as long as it lasts.

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    Pop is an incredible coach and a candidate for the GOAT, regardless of what the miscreants here say.

    That said... it just doesn't appear to be worth risking. Imagine if he has something like this happen during a game? Yeesh. I hope the Spurs keep him on in an advisory role so he can stay plugged into the team, but if he comes back to the sideline I'm just gonna worry about him, I would imagine the players would as well, and it would be a distraction.

    Thanks for all your years, Pop. You set some records that will never be touched by anyone, I would imagine.
    Well put.

    I have nothing but respect for Pop, and have been labeled as a "Pop-sucker" on multiple occasions. How quickly people forget he helped this team earn 5 championships and is the winningest coach in NBA history when we were previously known as a bunch of pretenders prior to him taking over.

    That said, time catches up to everyone. As someone who has lost both parents, and is currently supporting my wife going through the same (one with dementia, the other with heart failure)...once your body and mind start breaking down, it's unlikely they are going to just bounce back and you will be your old self again.

    Pop has had a legendary run by all means, but he needs to focus on himself and his health. No one could have predicted that he would have a stroke and it's not his fault, but it's also fair to say it changed the trajectory of this season. With a young Wemby and this young core, it would be irresponsible to risk another incident like that risking future seasons.

    It's time for the Spurs to move on.

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    now's not the time to talk about Pop's future with the Spurs.
    First, prayers for Pop. His life and eternity are most important, and it’s not close.

    However, it is absolutely time—long, long, long past time—to talk about his future with the Spurs. The Spurs need to quietly secure Jenkins, etc., if they haven’t already, while they still can.

    Additionally, any persons in the organization who seriously thought Pop could come back next year and planned to gamble his life, Wemby’s third year, and a billion-dollar franchise on 76-year-old-stroke-victim Pop handling an 82-game NBA season: reality just told you you’re grossly reckless and incompetent morons who should immediately be fired or resign in disgrace.

    The fact that the Spurs haven’t handled this long ago and may have even tried to avoid having this come out is alarming.

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    I hope Pop will be OK but it's long past the time to make that difficult decision. Be it Pop himself or owners and FO they need to call the ball and move on into the next Era of the Spurs.

    It's completely reckless for everyone involved to push for his return at this point. The uncertainties are also hurting this team's future and nobody wants to see Pop have an episode on the floor during a game.

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    And yes, our local media is a complete joke. I imagine nobody ever gets fired there so there is no accountability for poor performance

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    i've since read that he's home and doing well. what the spurs are processing is beyond anyone's knowledge but i'm sure ST will speculate that they're doing nothing and have no plan. vogel-meh. jenkins-has familiarity with the spurs so maybe. malone-not sure the fit is there. van gundy will also be on some teams' radar whenever the clippers are eliminated.
    Any of them other than Van Gundy would be a massive improvement over Mitch.

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    Can‘t wait for the Spurs statement that Pop is recovering and trying to coach next season, cause he deserves to do whatever he wants. He should just hang it up. Btw Shams is saying he‘s alright

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    And yes, our local media is a complete joke. I imagine nobody ever gets fired there so there is no accountability for poor performance
    Do we even have local media?

    No one even cares about the SAExpress anymore. Jeff McDonald is a joke and always has been.

    Our long-time play-by-play guy (Bill Land) and radio guy (Bill Schoening) both just retired, and I wouldn't blame Sean for being right behind them.

    Finger left a long time ago, Beadle got run out of town. ESPN sure as isn't calling in any "local beat writers" from San Antonio to report anything.

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    Holt, Dell, someone step in and end this organizational malpractice please.

    Unless the goal is to have him die on the sideline so they can say he went out doing what he loved.

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    Wish Pop the best. This is probably a good thing either way. As a minor setback it happens with plenty of time to at least attempt to continue recovery. If not, as I am assuming, then may it remove all uncertainty at a time when a few legit replacement candidates are available for hire. Truly hope for the best possible outcome for Pop and the future of the basketball team. Also possibly somewhat open to different options where it's not only stay or go. Come on as a coaching consultant in the org, only head coach home games, be a luminary in the scene that observes from the stands occasionally like TP or Manu. Pop deserves a little time and respect to figure it out after all he's done but not at the expense of the #1 priority, preparedness for games with the intention of winning championships for San Antonio.

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    But I should also say, I'm just gutted. Absolutely s ed. It's like losing a father and the entire city of San Antonio and the very concept of basketball owes a great deal of gra ude and respect to Coach Pop. 100% serious.

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    Wish Pop the best. This is probably a good thing either way. As a minor setback it happens with plenty of time to at least attempt to continue recovery. If not, as I am assuming, then may it remove all uncertainty at a time when a few legit replacement candidates are available for hire. Truly hope for the best possible outcome for Pop and the future of the basketball team. Also possibly somewhat open to different options where it's not only stay or go. Come on as a coaching consultant in the org, only head coach home games, be a luminary in the scene that observes from the stands occasionally like TP or Manu. Pop deserves a little time and respect to figure it out after all he's done but not at the expense of the #1 priority, preparedness for games with the intention of winning championships for San Antonio.
    He's had plenty of time to figure it out.

    A 75 year old stroke survivor can't stand up to the rigors of coaching pro sports. Make it end.

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    Can‘t wait for the Spurs statement that Pop is recovering and trying to coach next season, cause he deserves to do whatever he wants.
    Just heard it on the 5:00 news

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    Yeah honestly I can't realistically see how this ever goes back to normal either. It's a lot of travel, lack of sleep, high stress environment. I love Pop and would welcome him back, but only if there were assurances it would be a sustainable situation and I'm afraid the ship has sailed. Maybe modern medicine and lifestyle changes? It seems so much less likely at that age though.I do however trust Spurs management to get a fix worked out. Look at the Fox trade as maybe a small sign that the FO can still operate nimbly without the direct supervision of Pop. Sure they ran it by him but they managed that slick deal without Pop in the drivers seat so maybe that's optimism that draft strategy won't be too hampered by such a key role absence or maybe they will make a change before then.

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    Even worse, I've seen some of them basically berating fans for thinking that they should have reported anything earlier - saying that Pop and the Spurs deserve whatever level of privacy they want (which is true, but there are caveats).

    The Spurs do not view fans as cons uents. One reporter was flat out ridiculing a fan who questioned why the Spurs and local media haven't said anything several days after the fact with "you don't deserve , you fans have such an en led at ude".

    To the Spurs, the fans are just their piggy bank. They expect the fans to fork over their money on demand and not make their lives difficult. The Spurs don't believe the fans deserve anything more than the right to sit in seats and cheer. Don't expect any information. Don't expect wins. Don't boo Kawhi.

    Pop is a public figure. A public figure's health is of note to an organization's cons uency. For politicians, that is the public. For companies, it's the company's shareholders, customers and vendors/suppliers. For a sport team - who are their cons uents? Shareholders, players, the staff, the league, AND THEIR FANS (the people who keep them in business).

    Nico Harrison's tone def comments the other day are along this line of thinking. He told reporters that his duty is to the Mavericks, not to their fans. This completely ignores the fact that the Mavericks cannot exist without their fans. The Spurs seem to share Nico's twisted vision of what their cons uency is.
    This is pretty much 100% why I dropped my season ticket plan a number of years ago. Sure the team sucking helped, but holy they do not give a about fans and seem to care even less about season ticket holders 'family'. The Saddles and Spurs club 5 years ago was a ing joke of a disaster. Maybe its gotten better but probably not.

    The lack of actual basketball reporting in this town is ing stupid. Not that the Express News is any good, but there is no actual real reporting done for this team which is honestly quite ing sad.

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    Tuesday night?
    Damn, local media is full on North Korea if it's TMZ breaking the news days later.

    Pop is done with coaching, we just need a confirmation.
    Sucks, but he doesn't need to prove anything to anyone.
    At his age, he's lucky to be alive.

    We need RC to officially announce Pop is done so Wright can start interviewing new candidates for the position.

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    That’s more of a sign to Pop to retire. Like none of us want to see him collapse during a game.

    Give him a front office role and move on. Thanks for everything, legend!

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    shams said hes home and stable

    word is that when he was being carried off, instead of the traditional thumbs up, he gave the 4-down signal

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    Do we even have local media?

    No one even cares about the SAExpress anymore. Jeff McDonald is a joke and always has been.

    Our long-time play-by-play guy (Bill Land) and radio guy (Bill Schoening) both just retired, and I wouldn't blame Sean for being right behind them.

    Finger left a long time ago, Beadle got run out of town. ESPN sure as isn't calling in any "local beat writers" from San Antonio to report anything.
    I forgot about Mike Finger. Did Mic e Beadle get run out of town? What's the story there? I thought she left to do other things.

    Also, does anyone read the SAExpress news anymore? I actually used to read the sports articles, but can't access them anymore as I'm outside of the US. I wonder if their numbers dropped massively when they put that paywall system in (not sure if you have to pay to read the articles).

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    hipaa precludes health care providers from disclosing such info. not binding on the media or en ies not directly related to the healthcare process
    Exactly. What was reported was what people witnessed in a public setting it sounds like.

    As far as Pop deserving privacy, yeah. Of course. But...all this privacy is in conflict with being a public figure. Even more, it precludes fans from being able to actually show support. There's no thought of a dialogue, even via an online message.

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    But I should also say, I'm just gutted. Absolutely s ed. It's like losing a father and the entire city of San Antonio and the very concept of basketball owes a great deal of gra ude and respect to Coach Pop. 100% serious.
    The same. Such a huge and long part of so many of our lives that experienced more highs than almost any other fan of the NBA in his time.
    I don't know what's going to happen but, at this point I wish him the best of the rest of his life and hope it lasts much longer.

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    Holt, Dell, someone step in and end this organizational malpractice please.

    Unless the goal is to have him die on the sideline so they can say he went out doing what he loved.
    Honestly, I’d have to look into it, but do members of the Spurs organization have a duty of care toward their 76-year-old-stroke-victim employee who might have some cognitive or senility issues?

    If they do, the Spurs need to consider the very real possibility that they could have serious civil and even criminal responsibility for letting him coach an 82-game season. God forbid, but the possible (maybe even likely at this point) result is entirely foreseeable, and the Spurs organization’s failure to intervene would be a gross deviation from the reasonable person standard of care (i.e. potentially manslaughter).

    Regardless, the Spurs will be morally culpable if and when the predictable happens.

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    Did Mic e Beadle get run out of town? What's the story there? I thought she left to do other things.
    Probably an exaggeration on my part...but she definitely got forced out from both NBC and ESPN (the latter being because she made comments that got Stephen A Smith suspended, but he still has his job) and she got bought out.

    She was doing Spurs coverage for a while and still makes a random appearance here and there, but then just seems to disappear even though she is a huge Spurs fan.

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    Beadle is currently on NBA TV- Run It Back’

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