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    I think Gafford is more gettable.

    Also think PJ Washington would be a good fit.

    I said in another thread I think the Mavs blow it up this off-season after the Kyrie injury. Including trading AD and Kyrie.

    Lively is the only young + prospect they have so don’t see them giving him up cheaply.
    Any of those 3 would be excellent additions. What a mess in Big D.

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    I think Gafford is more gettable.

    Also think PJ Washington would be a good fit.

    I said in another thread I think the Mavs blow it up this off-season after the Kyrie injury. Including trading AD and Kyrie.

    Lively is the only young + prospect they have so don’t see them giving him up cheaply.
    They can't, they don't have control of their drafts for four years. And it's not like the Phoenix situation where Houston controls three of their primo picks and they can just trade their star for their future back, as their picks / swaps have been given away to four teams: Charlotte (2027 top 2 protected pick), OKC (2028 unprotected swap), Houston (2029 unprotected swap), and the Spurs (2030 unprotected swap).

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    They can't, they don't have control of their drafts for four years. And it's not like the Phoenix situation where Houston controls three of their primo picks and they can just trade their star for their future back, as their picks / swaps have been given away to four teams: Charlotte (2027 top 2 protected pick), OKC (2028 unprotected swap), Houston (2029 unprotected swap), and the Spurs (2030 unprotected swap).
    It's a beautiful thing lol

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    It's a beautiful thing lol
    Can you imagine going from the Finals to more ed than the Suns in a span of nine months?

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    Can you imagine going from the Finals to more ed than the Suns in a span of nine months?
    It couldn't happen to a more deserving organization lol

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    This off season is going to be nuts with the 3-superstar team model dying an ignoble death.

    I'm not seeing much to build around in the 6-15 range of the draft, especially if we end up with 2 picks in that range. I'm not seeing us adding 2 (or more) rookies from this draft. Derik Queen is an odd player, but I could him see being a Sengun-lite type which might pair well with Wemby. Everyone out of the top 4 looks like a project with a lot of bust potential. Maybe I've haven't looked hard enough. March Madness could bring some clarity and some new names to the list.

    I'm hoping that we can trade a pick/player for a young vet in a position of need (Vassell for Gafford AND PJ Washington works in the trade machine) and grab an available free agent ala Aldama, LaRavia, Naz Reid, or Yabusele.

    Double happy about Vassell's huge game vs the Nets. Hopefully, someone bites based on that.

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    This off season is going to be nuts with the 3-superstar team model dying an ignoble death.

    I'm not seeing much to build around in the 6-15 range of the draft, especially if we end up with 2 picks in that range. I'm not seeing us adding 2 (or more) rookies from this draft. Derik Queen is an odd player, but I could him see being a Sengun-lite type which might pair well with Wemby. Everyone out of the top 4 looks like a project with a lot of bust potential. Maybe I've haven't looked hard enough. March Madness could bring some clarity and some new names to the list.

    I'm hoping that we can trade a pick/player for a young vet in a position of need (Vassell for Gafford AND PJ Washington works in the trade machine) and grab an available free agent ala Aldama, LaRavia, Naz Reid, or Yabusele.

    Double happy about Vassell's huge game vs the Nets. Hopefully, someone bites based on that.
    Phoenix is a 0-superstar team though and Beal was never that good lol

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    Phoenix is a 0-superstar team though and Beal was never that good lol
    Less "three superstars" and more "three max contracts".

    Paying max money to someone who doesn't deserve it is the easiest way to your cap. That's why I want the Spurs to move off Vassell's contract: it isn't a max but it's bad value. I would have liked to see them trade Vassell to the Wizards for Middleton straight up at the deadline, though the Wizards probably say no.

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    Interesting though his game reminds me of a Center I like in this draft Max Raynaud
    Who also happens to be Wemby's close friend and a guaranteed smart dude, which we don't have too many in the current roster...

    Not sure about his mobility tho, projected 2nd round for now

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    Less "three superstars" and more "three max contracts".

    Paying max money to someone who doesn't deserve it is the easiest way to your cap. That's why I want the Spurs to move off Vassell's contract: it isn't a max but it's bad value. I would have liked to see them trade Vassell to the Wizards for Middleton straight up at the deadline, though the Wizards probably say no.
    At least the 10% compounded bumps to the cap yearly for the foreseeable future make max contracts way less dangerous than they were when Beal signed his a few years ago due to player raises being non-compounded and capped at 8% of base year salary. So for the next 7-8 years or so any max contract is effectively a decreasing contract when viewed as a percentage of the cap. Still don't want to up and throw a 30% max, much less a 35% max, at a scrub like Beal though. Definitely feel De'Aaron is worth paying 30% max to though so hope his extension he works out this summer is the full 4 years instead of a 2 year and then sign at 35% max after that where you might start to question that kind of money on the wrong side of 30.

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    I think Gafford is more gettable.

    Also think PJ Washington would be a good fit.

    I said in another thread I think the Mavs blow it up this off-season after the Kyrie injury. Including trading AD and Kyrie.

    Lively is the only young + prospect they have so don’t see them giving him up cheaply.
    The Mavs being forced to blow it up to tank and rebuild might end up one of the greatest self-owns in NBA history.

    I'd love to see it

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    At least the 10% compounded bumps to the cap yearly for the foreseeable future make max contracts way less dangerous than they were when Beal signed his a few years ago due to player raises being non-compounded and capped at 8% of base year salary. So for the next 7-8 years or so any max contract is effectively a decreasing contract when viewed as a percentage of the cap. Still don't want to up and throw a 30% max, much less a 35% max, at a scrub like Beal though. Definitely feel De'Aaron is worth paying 30% max to though so hope his extension he works out this summer is the full 4 years instead of a 2 year and then sign at 35% max after that where you might start to question that kind of money on the wrong side of 30.
    I know you don't think it will happen, but I still think there is a small chance Fox comes in at 27-28%.

    With that said, I'm hoping at a minimum he and Rich Paul understand that going the 2+1 route to try to score a 35% isn't the best bet, and they take the 4/30%.

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    I know you don't think it will happen, but I still think there is a small chance Fox comes in at 27-28%.

    With that said, I'm hoping at a minimum he and Rich Paul understand that going the 2+1 route to try to score a 35% isn't the best bet, and they take the 4/30%.
    I think the Spurs have a better chance at landing Flagg and Harper with their picks than they do of De'Aaron taking a paycut (which he shouldn't). He was gonna stay in Sac if he could have secured a supermax.

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    I have never been more thankful to a person in recent sports years than Mark Cuban for selling the team to a buncha dumbasses. The owner being too cheap to pay Luka is amazing. Set the franchise back literally the rest of the decade. They have zero way to improve. AD will be gone and even if he stays he will be injured all the time. Kyrie is going to be out all of next year too and probably will demand a trade after he gets his max contract. In two years time this franchise will have zero all stars and crappy late FRPs to try to improve the team.

    In 2030, the Mavs will win the number one pick for us. Just beyond thankful to Nico for trading Luka. Just imagine. It’s 2030 and we have prime Wemby and are contenders and then there’s this amazing guy in the draft that everybody wants and lo and behold the Mavs get us that guy. And we have our Duncan and Robinson for the the next decade

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    I have never been more thankful to a person in recent sports years than Mark Cuban for selling the team to a buncha dumbasses. The owner being too cheap to pay Luka is amazing. Set the franchise back literally the rest of the decade. They have zero way to improve. AD will be gone and even if he stays he will be injured all the time. Kyrie is going to be out all of next year too and probably will demand a trade after he gets his max contract. In two years time this franchise will have zero all stars and crappy late FRPs to try to improve the team.

    In 2030, the Mavs will win the number one pick for us. Just beyond thankful to Nico for trading Luka. Just imagine. It’s 2030 and we have prime Wemby and are contenders and then there’s this amazing guy in the draft that everybody wants and lo and behold the Mavs get us that guy. And we have our Duncan and Robinson for the the next decade
    ive never lived in texas so i never really cared much for the state rivalry

    id much rather dallas have a star like Luka than the Lakers

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    I have never been more thankful to a person in recent sports years than Mark Cuban for selling the team to a buncha dumbasses. The owner being too cheap to pay Luka is amazing. Set the franchise back literally the rest of the decade. They have zero way to improve. AD will be gone and even if he stays he will be injured all the time. Kyrie is going to be out all of next year too and probably will demand a trade after he gets his max contract. In two years time this franchise will have zero all stars and crappy late FRPs to try to improve the team.

    In 2030, the Mavs will win the number one pick for us. Just beyond thankful to Nico for trading Luka. Just imagine. It’s 2030 and we have prime Wemby and are contenders and then there’s this amazing guy in the draft that everybody wants and lo and behold the Mavs get us that guy. And we have our Duncan and Robinson for the the next decade
    The only issue is that Luka went to the Lakers of all teams.
    Ever since the trade happened, it's like the rest of the league doesn't exist for mainstream media. It's beyond annoying and it won't stop as long as Luka is there.

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    The only issue is that Luka went to the Lakers of all teams.
    Ever since the trade happened, it's like the rest of the league doesn't exist for mainstream media. It's beyond annoying and it won't stop as long as Luka is there.
    lakers are 8-2 since the trade and have surged to 2nd in the west

    the attention is warranted tbh

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    Kyrie is going to be out all of next year too and probably will demand a trade after he gets his max contract.
    Who's giving 34-year old Kyrie Irving coming off an ACL a max contract? He'll certainly opt into his $44MM next season, and then what? The Mavs might come to their senses by then and realize they just need to let him walk. They are truly ed. They need to tank harder than anyone has ever tanked before to close out this season, and then trade AD and hard tank next season... but after that it's lights out.

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    If Luka went to any other team other than the Lakers, I would have been happy with Dallas losing him. As it stands, would have much rather he stay with Dallas than have gone to the Lakers. It's given the Lakers a lifeline yet again that they didn't have to work for.

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    Who's giving 34-year old Kyrie Irving coming off an ACL a max contract? He'll certainly opt into his $44MM next season, and then what? The Mavs might come to their senses by then and realize they just need to let him walk. They are truly ed. They need to tank harder than anyone has ever tanked before to close out this season, and then trade AD and hard tank next season... but after that it's lights out.
    Love it

    Also I hate the Lakers as much as the next person but they are so badly run that Luka won’t win a championship with them so I’m not sweating it.

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    Assuming Spurs did not win lottery and will be drafting for depth, would you trade Vassell + Barnes + fillers for Durant with 2 years extension around 50-55m /2 ? You can fit his 54 cap hit for 25/26 and then you he would only overlap with Wemby`s supermax for 1 season ?

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    Assuming Spurs did not win lottery and will be drafting for depth, would you trade Vassell + Barnes + fillers for Durant with 2 years extension around 50-55m /2 ? You can fit his 54 cap hit for 25/26 and then you he would only overlap with Wemby`s supermax for 1 season ?
    in a heartbeat. but phoenix would insist on picks being included

    also not sure why suns would want vassell anyway. he's just a worse booker and they already have Beal for that role

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    in a heartbeat. but phoenix would insist on picks being included

    also not sure why suns would want vassell anyway. he's just a worse booker and they already have Beal for that role
    Spurs have to send salary back, a lot of it. Vassell and Barnes are biggest expandable cap hits. About adding pick - well I dont know if any picks that Spurs have would make a difference for them. They are stuck with Beal no matter what. Their picks are heavily involved in some swaps, that I cant even understand by reading about them. Durant is gone, gone from there, I dont who may want to trade for him, and Vassell is still good player.

    I can see 40 yrs Kevin Durant spreading the floor with Fox, Wemby, Castle and even Sochan as starting lineup.

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    Maybe a little early, but based on the start of this post season it looks like alot of bigger names could ask out. Young, Giannis, Lillard etc. Who would we want to add? What would it cost? How would we make the fit work?

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    Maybe a little early, but based on the start of this post season it looks like alot of bigger names could ask out. Young, Giannis, Lillard etc. Who would we want to add? What would it cost? How would we make the fit work?
    Can’t get a third huge deal. We’ll be paying Wemby and Fox already. No more big threes.

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