2025 NBA Draft

[scottspurs]

Did some research and the NBA announced the draft coin flips last year on this Monday at 4:36 central time

[duncan2150]

PICK 14

[Vienna]

The more footage I see of Fleming, the more I'm convincing myself that he should be the guy with our first pick.

The doubts come from him being a 3 year prospect, but his improvements seem for real. It's not just that he's shooting 39% from 3 on 5 attempts per game, he passes the eye test too. He shoots it with confidence and not only on spot ups, coming off screens too.

Then, there's the defense. He's more of a 4/5 than a 4/3 and probably won't be able to hang with NBA guards, but what 6'10" forward really does? With his physical build and athletic traits he's always gonna be a plus on the defensive end. 7'5" wingspan, imagine pairing that with Wemby. Folks would need the Godfather of pitch sales to sell me that Kon ing Knueppel is a better get at our range.

a #8 pick for Fleming……? Jesus.
the doubts don‘t come from him being a 3rd year player, the doubts come from the fact that he is a 3rd year player on a mediocre team (#84 in the country) that plays in a mediocre conference and he was still just the 3rd option on this team on rather low usage. that he choked big time in the conference tournament and the NIT didn’t help.
that‘s the point when I would ask, why couldn‘t a player, who is athletically far superior to his peers, not get a bigger role on such a team, if he was a lottery talent? and why could‘t this superior athlete power forward get to the line more often than 2.9 times a game? I mean, he can‘t pass either. there is something missing, right?

btw. people freak out because of his 7’5 wingspan. as if Rakeem Christmas was that much of a success story.

First off, that number war self reported. Givoney jumped on it, because he is obsessed with wingspan, singe he built his carrer on talking about wingspan instead of talking about skills. yaeh, Fleming might have some long arms. So what.
Oscar Tshibwe has some really long arms and he might be the best rebounds in the history of the g league…..do we bring him in next?

[spurraider21]

PICK 14

damn, this means that had Dallas beaten Memphis in the play-in, we'd have gotten the #13 pick and the Kings would have kept their #12 pick instead of shipping it to ATL

i think Hawks will look seriously at Sorber and Jase Richardson

[scott]

I'm fading the Spurs in any and all coin flip compe ions going forward.

[SpurSpike]

I know some family of Micah Peavly and was told the Spurs sent someone to look at him recently. Could be a good target for the second round 3D wing if his shooting improvement this year was real. Shot 40% on 4.1 attempts/game (was closer to 30% in previous years)

https://www.noceilingsnba.com/p/a-sc...he-ingredients

[Guru of Nothing]

You had one job!

[Ice009]

Does Atlanta get a higher pick than the Spurs via the Kings?

[mo7888]

Does Atlanta get a higher pick than the Spurs via the Kings?

No

[Biggems]

1. The Spurs got burned as by Kawhi, who turned out to be a turncoat asshole of the highest order.

2. Primo did show signs of being a good dude, and I'm sure Nick Oats gave glowing recs when he was called, among other people.

2b. Whether Nick Oats knew about his sexual obsession of exposing himself and lied about it, we don't know.

3. The Spurs ed up by not taking Sengun, as many here wanted. So did a lot of teams. Presti drafted him and immediately trade him to the rival Rockets.

4. It will never be clear whether Primo would have been alright if he could have been developed. He was showing flashes, although was a long-term thing.

But yeah, character became an even bigger consideration after Kawhi stabbed an icy dagger in their back.

But do we get Wemby if we draft Sengun? I would love and Wemby/Sengun front court. I doubt it could have happened.

[scottspurs]

Worst case scenario

1. Rockets- Cooper Flagg
2. Mavericks- Dylan Harper
3. Blazers- Ace Bailey
4. Hornets- VJ Edgecombe
5. Jazz- Tre Johnson
6. Wizards- Derik Queen
7. Hornets- Kon Knueppel
8. Thunder- Khaman Maluach
9. Nets- Kasparas Jakucionis
10. Raptors- Rasheer Fleming
11. Spurs- Thomas Sorber
12. Bulls- Nique Clifford
13. Hawks- Asa Newell
14. Spurs- Traore, Fears, Richardson, Demin, Essengue?

[Ice009]

What percentage chance is there moving up from 14th?

[scottspurs]

What percentage chance is there moving up from 14th?

0.7% for top pick

[scottspurs]

0.7% for top pick

1.25% was the biggest move up to #1 overall ever so it would make history

[intlspurshk]

The worse case scenario is not so bad. Carter Byrant, Richardson, Demin, Clifford, Essengue, CMB, Boogie could all be very decent bench player for guards and forwards.

[CGD]

Worst case scenario

1. Rockets- Cooper Flagg
2. Mavericks- Dylan Harper
3. Blazers- Ace Bailey
4. Hornets- VJ Edgecombe
5. Jazz- Tre Johnson
6. Wizards- Derik Queen
7. Hornets- Kon Knueppel
8. Thunder- Khaman Maluach
9. Nets- Kasparas Jakucionis
10. Raptors- Rasheer Fleming
11. Spurs- Thomas Sorber
12. Bulls- Nique Clifford
13. Hawks- Asa Newell
14. Spurs- Traore, Fears, Richardson, Demin, Essengue?

In this worst case scenario (there is an over 30% chance pick is lower than 8 btw), just go grab who you they're eying at 14 (I've liked Liam or Sorber myself at that position). With any luck the other will be there at the actual 14th pick.

Also, Fleming is not going in the Top 10 (not sure he even makes the lottery). He's a junior.

[Ice009]

1.25% was the biggest move up to #1 overall ever so it would make history

Thanks a lot ScottSpurs. I should have said, though, I just meant moving from 14th to other spots. Basically, what are the chances of moving from 14th to something higher?

Getting first would be amazing, but I'm not greedy enough to try and nab 1st with it.

I'm not used to all this lottery stuff as I never really followed it until the Spurs got Victor. During the Tim Duncan era, the Spurs never really got any lottery picks, so I never really looked at how it all worked.
Isn't there also a rule where the worst 3 teams or so are guaranteed a top 5 pick?

[rjv]

What percentage chance is there moving up from 14th?

out of the 1000 combinations that are assigned to the teams, the 14th slotted team receives only 7 of them. with the 60 from the 6th slot, the spurs will have 67 combinations.

[scott]

Thanks a lot ScottSpurs. I should have said, though, I just meant moving from 14th to other spots. Basically, what are the chances of moving from 14th to something higher?

Getting first would be amazing, but I'm not greedy enough to try and nab 1st with it.

I'm not used to all this lottery stuff as I never really followed it until the Spurs got Victor. During the Tim Duncan era, the Spurs never really got any lottery picks, so I never really looked at how it all worked.
Isn't there also a rule where the worst 3 teams or so are guaranteed a top 5 pick?

https://tankathon.com/pick_odds

[DAF86]

a #8 pick for Fleming……? Jesus.
the doubts don‘t come from him being a 3rd year player, the doubts come from the fact that he is a 3rd year player on a mediocre team (#84 in the country) that plays in a mediocre conference and he was still just the 3rd option on this team on rather low usage. that he choked big time in the conference tournament and the NIT didn’t help.
that‘s the point when I would ask, why couldn‘t a player, who is athletically far superior to his peers, not get a bigger role on such a team, if he was a lottery talent? and why could‘t this superior athlete power forward get to the line more often than 2.9 times a game? I mean, he can‘t pass either. there is something missing, right?

btw. people freak out because of his 7’5 wingspan. as if Rakeem Christmas was that much of a success story.

First off, that number war self reported. Givoney jumped on it, because he is obsessed with wingspan, singe he built his carrer on talking about wingspan instead of talking about skills. yaeh, Fleming might have some long arms. So what.
Oscar Tshibwe has some really long arms and he might be the best rebounds in the history of the g league…..do we bring him in next?

Danny Green wouldn't be able to be anything other than a 3rd option on any school either, yet he was a vital part of our championship winning squad for years. We are not looking for go to scorers anymore. We need players that fit a role. A 6'10" guy with a 7'5" (or whatever you think he has) wingspan that is an athletic freak and shoots threes at a 40% clip seems pretty valuable to me, tbh.

[DAF86]

In this worst case scenario (there is an over 30% chance pick is lower than 8 btw), just go grab who you they're eying at 14 (I've liked Liam or Sorber myself at that position). With any luck the other will be there at the actual 14th pick.

Also, Fleming is not going in the Top 10 (not sure he even makes the lottery). He's a junior.

Most of the mocks I've seen have him there.

[Dejounte]

Someone ask the Warriors why they’re not playing their long athletic freak in Kuminga. Oh yeah, it’s because he doesn’t know how to play basketball. The Spurs need to get guys who know how to hoop. It’s like y’all havent learned your lesson with Keldon, Vassell, Branham, etc.

This post isnt about Fleming specifically but moreso criticizing how people put too much stock in length and height.

[Manu&Duncan fan]

Danny Green wouldn't be able to be anything other than a 3rd option on any school either, yet he was a vital part of our championship winning squad for years. We are not looking for go to scorers anymore. We need players that fit a role. A 6'10" guy with a 7'5" (or whatever you think he has) wingspan that is an athletic freak and shoots threes at a 40% clip seems pretty valuable to me, tbh.

I endorse your message!

[Ice009]

out of the 1000 combinations that are assigned to the teams, the 14th slotted team receives only 7 of them. with the 60 from the 6th slot, the spurs will have 67 combinations.

So if you add the two together it slightly increases the odds. So do the two picks get added together for the Spurs' combinations rather than treated as separate picks?

https://tankathon.com/pick_odds

Thanks. The odds of moving into the top 4 are even lower than I thought.

[Manu&Duncan fan]

In this worst case scenario (there is an over 30% chance pick is lower than 8 btw), just go grab who you they're eying at 14 (I've liked Liam or Sorber myself at that position). With any luck the other will be there at the actual 14th pick.

Also, Fleming is not going in the Top 10 (not sure he even makes the lottery). He's a junior.

Fleming likely will not be in the lottery. But not because of he is a junior. Jalen Williams was picked at age of 22.

The reason is that he is not projected to have much upside. Most lottery teams will pick for star potential.

So, he will be safely there at pick #14. A perfect match for spurs.