TMZ: Pop Suffers Medical Emergency at Restaurant, Taken Via Ambulance

[Ice009]

Not so quick. Spurs have the 2030 Dallas and 2031 Sacramento unprotected swaps, along with a 2030 top 1 protected swap from Minnesota. Gotta think one of those will be top 10 after the way the Mavs have wrecked their roster and traded all their picks away and well Sac just being Sac. Wouldn't surprise me to see the 26 or 27 ATL become a top 10 either after they were morons and fired a GM who did an amazing job salvaging Murray into something useful.

Yeah, those could still be promising picks. With the Dallas and Minnesota swap in 2030, who gets what if the Spurs take either team's pick. For example, if the Spurs take Dallas' pick, does Minnesota just get to keep their pick and Dallas gets the Spurs' pick instead?

Also, what was the pick that the Spurs gave up in the De'Aaron Fox trade. Alright, just realized I answered my own question. It was the Minnesota 2031 pick the Spurs gave up in the trade with the Kings.

[exstatic]

Yeah, those could still be promising picks. With the Dallas and Minnesota swap in 2030, who gets what if the Spurs take either team's pick. For example, if the Spurs take Dallas' pick, does Minnesota just get to keep their pick and Dallas gets the Spurs' pick instead?

Also, what was the pick that the Spurs gave up in the De'Aaron Fox trade. Alright, just realized I answered my own question. It was the Minnesota swap the Spurs gave up in the trade with the Kings.

No, it was the Minnesota PICK in 20131.

The 2030 swaps will be processed as follows.

San Antonio will receive the most favorable of its 2030 1st round pick, Dallas' 2030 1st round pick and Minnesota's 2030 1st round pick protected for selection 1; Dallas will receive the less favorable of its pick and the San Antonio pick; Minnesota will receive the less favorable of (i) its pick and (ii) the more favorable of the San Antonio pick and the Dallas pick; if the Minnesota pick falls on its protected selection, then Minnesota's obligation to San Antonio will be extinguished and San Antonio will instead have the right to swap its pick for the Dallas pick

[Ice009]

Yeah, I got it, thanks. Edited that before your reply that is was the 2031 pick.

With the 2030 swaps, the wording has thrown me off. Why does Minnesota get the more favorable of the SA and Dallas pick. If the Spurs swapped for Minnesota's pick, wouldn't they just get the Spurs pick and Dallas gets to keep their own?

[exstatic]

Yeah, I got it, thanks. Edited that before your reply that is was the 2031 pick.

With the 2030 swaps, the wording has thrown me off. Why does Minnesota get the more favorable of the SA and Dallas pick. If the Spurs swapped for Minnesota's pick, wouldn't they just get the Spurs pick and Dallas gets to keep their own?

It is overly complicated verbage, but from a Spurs standpoint, all you have to know is that if Minnesota doesn’t get the #1 pick, we get the best pick of us, Dallas, and Minny. If Minnesota gets #1, we get the better pick of us and Dallas. Right now, I don’t care what happens with the other two picks after we get the best one.

[Obstructed_View]

That Dallas pick looks really good thanks to Nico.

[scott]

Yeah, I got it, thanks. Edited that before your reply that is was the 2031 pick.

With the 2030 swaps, the wording has thrown me off. Why does Minnesota get the more favorable of the SA and Dallas pick. If the Spurs swapped for Minnesota's pick, wouldn't they just get the Spurs pick and Dallas gets to keep their own?

If you are curious about how Swaps work when there are multiple, it's all about the order in which they are acquired and the conditions of the trade.

For this instance, the Spurs had first acquired the swap with DAL in the Reggie Bullock trade. So The Spurs 2030 Pick now becomes the best of SA/DAL. Dallas has already relinquished it's rights to take the worst of these two picks, and this happens first. AFTER this swap happens, the Spurs then have the right to Swap the better of SA/DAL with MIN (top 1 protected). SA would only do this if the MIN pick is higher, so MIN would get SA/DAL which by definition would be the second best (since SA already took the better of SA/DAL).

[MannyIsGod]

Wait until the PR campaign starts and likely will be no organized opposition. The numbers will reverse. San Antonians will never risk losing the Spurs.

You think tehre will be no organized opposition on a public tax for private sports arenas? lol, ok.

[buttsR4rebounding]

You think tehre will be no organized opposition on a public tax for private sports arenas? lol, ok.

It will have less than 1/10th the funding of the pro-arena forces and will be overwhelmed by the volume and variety of their messaging.

[Ice009]

If you are curious about how Swaps work when there are multiple, it's all about the order in which they are acquired and the conditions of the trade.

For this instance, the Spurs had first acquired the swap with DAL in the Reggie Bullock trade. So The Spurs 2030 Pick now becomes the best of SA/DAL. Dallas has already relinquished it's rights to take the worst of these two picks, and this happens first. AFTER this swap happens, the Spurs then have the right to Swap the better of SA/DAL with MIN (top 1 protected). SA would only do this if the MIN pick is higher, so MIN would get SA/DAL which by definition would be the second best (since SA already took the better of SA/DAL).

OK, thank you. That makes sense. So it goes in order the swaps were acquired.

[MannyIsGod]

It will have less than 1/10th the funding of the pro-arena forces and will be overwhelmed by the volume and variety of their messaging.

The groups opposing these issues ALWAYS have less money and they routinely make it a difficult political situation for the people in office proposing it. Money isn't everything.

I'm not saying this will or will not pass as I no longer live in San Antonio but I've seen more than enough stadium initiatives fail when people called them done deals. It happens ALL the damn time and these issues ALWAYS have organized opposition because not everyone gives a about sports teams and the amount of people that care about giving billionaires money to build stadiums is much larger than you think.

[scott]

The groups opposing these issues ALWAYS have less money and they routinely make it a difficult political situation for the people in office proposing it. Money isn't everything.

I'm not saying this will or will not pass as I no longer live in San Antonio but I've seen more than enough stadium initiatives fail when people called them done deals. It happens ALL the damn time and these issues ALWAYS have organized opposition because not everyone gives a about sports teams and the amount of people that care about giving billionaires money to build stadiums is much larger than you think.

And it appears the Spurs aren't starting out from a position of strength on this matter. Would be interesting to see how early polling looked for various initiatives that passed/failed elsewhere (I'm not going to actually do this research). But no matter how you slice it, this initiative being under water out of the gates is not a positive sign.

[ChumpDumper]

I'll have to review the possible sites for an arena up here in Austin again, then.

[bigzak25]

The groups opposing these issues ALWAYS have less money and they routinely make it a difficult political situation for the people in office proposing it. Money isn't everything.

I'm not saying this will or will not pass as I no longer live in San Antonio but I've seen more than enough stadium initiatives fail when people called them done deals. It happens ALL the damn time and these issues ALWAYS have organized opposition because not everyone gives a about sports teams and the amount of people that care about giving billionaires money to build stadiums is much larger than you think.

Good to see you online Sir. I hope you and your family are doing well. Godbless and Go Spurs Go!

[slick'81]

Enjoy retirement pop we all love ya

[baseline bum]

The groups opposing these issues ALWAYS have less money and they routinely make it a difficult political situation for the people in office proposing it. Money isn't everything.

I'm not saying this will or will not pass as I no longer live in San Antonio but I've seen more than enough stadium initiatives fail when people called them done deals. It happens ALL the damn time and these issues ALWAYS have organized opposition because not everyone gives a about sports teams and the amount of people that care about giving billionaires money to build stadiums is much larger than you think.

Yeah last one to die out of nowhere when it was a supposedly done deal was the Tampa Rays stadium deal thanks to the hurricane tearing up the roof at their current stadium.

[K...]

can we get a new thread, or use the other pop is TOSB can't wipe his ass thread? he can only pull the "im going to the restaurant, ahh medical emergency i can't pay my bill" trick so many times before they stop seating him

[MannyIsGod]

Yeah last one to die out of nowhere when it was a supposedly done deal was the Tampa Rays stadium deal thanks to the hurricane tearing up the roof at their current stadium.

The caps and wizards owner tried to move them out of DC to a stadium across the River in Alexandria and it was a "done deal" until it wasn't and he came crawling back to DC. I don't think people realize how little negotiating power a lot of owners have now compared to 15-20 years ago because people hated the stadiums that were built for them with public money. Its very different today and that's why you have a lot more owners paying for their own stadiums. Balmer just paid for his arena. Same with the Warriors arena. The Bucks arena was half public funded, but that was only 250 million. The Spurs are looking at a 1.2-1.5 BILLION dollar arena as part of this project which I mean JFC. San Antonio should probably be looking more to something like what the Bucks have not something along the lines of what Balmer paid for with the Clippers. I think some parts of the project probably should be financed with public money - not the arena - but man if you guys think people are going to want to foot a new tax after the recession the orange idiot is about to put us all in then I think you've forgotten how people respond to like that during a recession. Especially when when billionaires are going to get blamed (rightly) almost exclusively.

Yeah, if the Spurs want a new arena they're probably going to have to pay for it. And people can talk about Austin, but I really doubt Austin is going to want to build a new one after they just build the soccer stadium but maybe. I doubt it.

[baseline bum]

The caps and wizards owner tried to move them out of DC to a stadium across the River in Alexandria and it was a "done deal" until it wasn't and he came crawling back to DC. I don't think people realize how little negotiating power a lot of owners have now compared to 15-20 years ago because people hated the stadiums that were built for them with public money. Its very different today and that's why you have a lot more owners paying for their own stadiums. Balmer just paid for his arena. Same with the Warriors arena. The Bucks arena was half public funded, but that was only 250 million. The Spurs are looking at a 1.2-1.5 BILLION dollar arena as part of this project which I mean JFC. San Antonio should probably be looking more to something like what the Bucks have not something along the lines of what Balmer paid for with the Clippers. I think some parts of the project probably should be financed with public money - not the arena - but man if you guys think people are going to want to foot a new tax after the recession the orange idiot is about to put us all in then I think you've forgotten how people respond to like that during a recession. Especially when when billionaires are going to get blamed (rightly) almost exclusively.

Yeah, if the Spurs want a new arena they're probably going to have to pay for it. And people can talk about Austin, but I really doubt Austin is going to want to build a new one after they just build the soccer stadium but maybe. I doubt it.

I wouldn't read too much into LA and SF having privately financed arenas. LA and SF always tell owners to go themselves when they beg for stadiums because they're extremely desirable markets. LA resisted the NFL coming for 20 years until the Rams paid for their own stadium and SF told the 49ers to go ahead and leave when they tried to shake them down for a stadium. Also man San Antonio area probably isn't going to blame the billionaires. I just want to slug people in the out here when they about Biden out of nowhere while Trump is crashing the economy so his criminal friends can buy the dip, suspending the first amendment, deporting citizens, and kidnapping legal residents to traffic to literal concentration camps.

[dn0774]

Didn’t the Spurs just pay for/open a brand new practice facility and offices that cost a pretty penny? Would a threat to leave even be credible as that would require walking away from that investment they made?

[Extra Stout]

Part of the price tag on the Spurs arena is redevelopment of that part of HemisFair Park, correct? Has the existing redevelopment moved the numbers on the downtown economy at all? Like, do people go downtown to take their kids to Yanaguana Park and then stay downtown and spend money? Or is it all just a prestige project?

[ChumpDumper]

The arena itself is estimated at ~$1.5B. The rest is for convention center expansion, a hotel and making the courthouse into an event venue.

https://www.ksat.com/news/local/2025...ment-district/

[Extra Stout]

It would be a lot more cost-effective to renovate Frost Bank Center. Admittedly, its location is not great. There is something to be said about having an arena smack dab in the entertainment district like the FedEx Forum on Beale Street, but I cannot see all those costs being recouped.

Did that San Pedro Creek development project ever turn into anything, or has it just become someplace for the homeless to hang out?

[itzsoweezee]

I’d be on board with JVG taking over for Pop
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/631... all year long

[LeBowen]

I’d be on board with JVG taking over for Pop
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/631... all year long

Can hold a rebound better than most of our roster.

[spurraider21]

i thought JVG was a really good coach in his day. but he hasnt been a head coach for nearly 20 years and has been an assistant for 1 year since 2007. i also thought he was one of the better color commentators on TV

but this would be kinda ridiculous imo