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    Our lack of capspace will prevent us from signing Naz Reid.

    Only way to get him will be a S&T, so signing somehow else won't impact that.

    John Collins hasn't opted in or our of his option with UTA yet. He probably won't be a FA.

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    The Spurs have long wanted two PGs on the floor at the same time. We saw that all the way back in 2003 with Parker and Kidd. I think Castle's size was appealing to him not because they wanted to play a 6-7 PG with a 6-9 SG, a 6-11 SF, a 7-foot PF and a 7-3 C, but because they wanted to play a 6-7 PG who could play with a second PG without having to compromise the defense in the way that playing two guards under 6-4 often does.

    I don't think the Spurs see Fox and Castle as the entire main PG rotation going forward because simply put it's not enough PG play for their liking. Even not going into whether they SHOULD trust Castle to be the sole PG on the court at times if they're seriously trying to win, we're talking about a team that had no issue playing Paul with Jones or Wesley. It would be weird if the team didn't try to find at least one quality player to add to that depth chart, be it a cheap vet or a mid-draft pick.

    A lot of people have been getting upset about the idea of trading Castle. I find that sort of odd given how many also believe the Spurs should be trying to bring in another name. If you think they should slow-play this and see what they have with Fox and Wemby for a full summer and some modest changes to the roster, that's fine. That's basically where I'm at. But if you're talking about adding a third star, cleaving to Steph doesn't make a ton of sense. They would definitely not have the touches to develop Castle as a star, and they may not have the leeway to let Castle figure things out as a role-player. If the team kept him and leveraged the unprotected picks needed to get a star without him, they could be forced into a situation where they can't play him high in the rotation. A guy like Knueppel may just be a better fit. So if folks want to hop back on Markkanen or Booker or Giannis or Sabonis or JJJ, that's where it's at.

    The only star who could come in and meaningfully open a window for the Spurs but not either cost Castle or limit Castle's long-term path with the Spurs would be Durant. The Spurs might be able to get Durant with Vassell, Johnson/Barnes and some protected picks/lesser projects. His age would make it to where Castle could take over in a couple of years when KD aged out. I still don't think Steph could start for that team without improved shooting and a commitment to consistently good defense. Let's say Vassell, Johnson, Sochan and some future protected picks get it done.

    Then in the draft, go Queen at 8, Richardson at 13/14 and Isaiah Evans at 38. In free agency, through a modest deal at Jake LaRavia and bring back Biyombo and promote one of Ingram/Minix. That leaves 14 roster spots taken as follows:

    Fox, Richardson, Wesley
    Champagnie, Castle, Branham,
    Barnes, _____, Evans
    Durant, LaRavia, Ingram
    Wembayama, Queen, Biyombo

    I'd REALLY want the Spurs to find a vet wing who could fill in that last rotation spot, be it a SF to back up Barnes or a SG to start in place of Champagnie, but there's a dearth of competent wings in the NBA right now. There's no one worth the MLE, even as a trade candidate.

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyX5nKWpG94

    Rasheer Fleming interview. Such a humble, relaxed, quiet personality. In contrast to his playing on the court - always fire in his eyes.

    He behaves like a spur.

    Wow, he is so good-looking. Lion's big eyes, nose and mouth!

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    The Spurs have long wanted two PGs on the floor at the same time. We saw that all the way back in 2003 with Parker and Kidd. I think Castle's size was appealing to him not because they wanted to play a 6-7 PG with a 6-9 SG, a 6-11 SF, a 7-foot PF and a 7-3 C, but because they wanted to play a 6-7 PG who could play with a second PG without having to compromise the defense in the way that playing two guards under 6-4 often does.

    I don't think the Spurs see Fox and Castle as the entire main PG rotation going forward because simply put it's not enough PG play for their liking. Even not going into whether they SHOULD trust Castle to be the sole PG on the court at times if they're seriously trying to win, we're talking about a team that had no issue playing Paul with Jones or Wesley. It would be weird if the team didn't try to find at least one quality player to add to that depth chart, be it a cheap vet or a mid-draft pick.

    A lot of people have been getting upset about the idea of trading Castle. I find that sort of odd given how many also believe the Spurs should be trying to bring in another name. If you think they should slow-play this and see what they have with Fox and Wemby for a full summer and some modest changes to the roster, that's fine. That's basically where I'm at. But if you're talking about adding a third star, cleaving to Steph doesn't make a ton of sense. They would definitely not have the touches to develop Castle as a star, and they may not have the leeway to let Castle figure things out as a role-player. If the team kept him and leveraged the unprotected picks needed to get a star without him, they could be forced into a situation where they can't play him high in the rotation. A guy like Knueppel may just be a better fit. So if folks want to hop back on Markkanen or Booker or Giannis or Sabonis or JJJ, that's where it's at.

    The only star who could come in and meaningfully open a window for the Spurs but not either cost Castle or limit Castle's long-term path with the Spurs would be Durant. The Spurs might be able to get Durant with Vassell, Johnson/Barnes and some protected picks/lesser projects. His age would make it to where Castle could take over in a couple of years when KD aged out. I still don't think Steph could start for that team without improved shooting and a commitment to consistently good defense. Let's say Vassell, Johnson, Sochan and some future protected picks get it done.

    Then in the draft, go Queen at 8, Richardson at 13/14 and Isaiah Evans at 38. In free agency, through a modest deal at Jake LaRavia and bring back Biyombo and promote one of Ingram/Minix. That leaves 14 roster spots taken as follows:

    Fox, Richardson, Wesley
    Champagnie, Castle, Branham,
    Barnes, _____, Evans
    Durant, LaRavia, Ingram
    Wembayama, Queen, Biyombo

    I'd REALLY want the Spurs to find a vet wing who could fill in that last rotation spot, be it a SF to back up Barnes or a SG to start in place of Champagnie, but there's a dearth of competent wings in the NBA right now. There's no one worth the MLE, even as a trade candidate.
    In this scenario, I’d want Nickeil Alexander walker for the mid level to slot in nicely as the starting 2

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    I think your general assessment of how adding another star would limit Castle is correct, Chinook, and as a result I think the logical conclusion is that the Spurs won't be looking to add another star. This also aligns with the overall frugality of this team.

    I too see some people wanting to add various stars (often without giving up anything of value), but not only do I find these unlikely... a lot of them don't really make a ton of basketball sense to me either.

    I expect changes to the roster this summer to be incremental and largely minor. Remove CP3, add two rookies and some MLE-level players is likely all we are looking at. I don't think The Power of Friendship is going anywhere either.

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    The Spurs already think we have three stars, so yeah, there's no way they're looking to trade Castle at all. Historically the Spurs just look to add undervalued affordable role players. For once I actually agree with that approach and hopefully they don't change course.

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    Chinook, Welcome back! You add more fun to our board.

    One thing I like you is that you're not shy expressing your wrong ideas.

    No reasonable person will even thinking of trade castle. This idea is like trading Manu Ginobili after his rookie year.

    Castle is this good. He will be an all star. If you don't see this happening, then it's your own problem.

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    I'm okay with the Spurs developing for a year, but under no cir stances should they think they ALREADY have three stars. I don't think folks appreciate how bad this year's ROY race was. You have to go back to 2014 and 2015 to find ROY winners who had years like Castle had. His stats are much more similar to 2014 MCW than they are to the Young stars (or "stars") who've won it recently. I'm not saying to give up on Castle. If the team is okay with being a middling team that might end up in the lottery again next year, they can give Steph the run to see if he can take some steps. But if they are trying to win, they'd be foolish for thinking Castle can be penciled in as the third piece. He's very, very far away from that right now.

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    Chinook, Welcome back! You add more fun to our board.

    One thing I like you is that you're not shy expressing your wrong ideas.

    No reasonable person will even thinking of trade castle. This idea is like trading Manu Ginobili after his rookie year.

    Castle is this good. He will be an all star. If you don't see this happening, then it's your own problem.
    I'm just being objective about Castle. I'm not trying to predict the future. I am saying that the present isn't really what a lot of posters seem to think it was.
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    The Spurs already think we have three stars, so yeah, there's no way they're looking to trade Castle at all. Historically the Spurs just look to add undervalued affordable role players. For once I actually agree with that approach and hopefully they don't change course.
    I think this is right. They’re probably super eager to get the Fox-Wemby pairing going, and as far as I’m concerned we’ve already made our “summer” trade. And if Castle hits as the 3rd guy, great, if not he effectively replaces Keldon until Castle himself is moved.

    Now it’s about a) cycling in some vets, and b) drafting players who can eventually replace/push our current “good” role players (Dev, Keldon, Sochan). e.g., Tre Johnson as Dev 2.0 etc.

    Up or out as they say in the consulting world.

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    Castle - Fox - Wemby needs to be the big 3 plan.

    From there we need front court help the most. But we need size, rim protection, rebounding, AND shooting.

    Thats why many of us push for Fleming at 14 since he checks about all of those boxes. At 8, it’s more like BPA likely a wing, must be able to shoot. I’m not high on Maluach, Queen is a maybe, not sold on Newell.

    If we did take a big at 8, then it’s more like Demin or McNeeley at 14. I don’t like that approach as much as the above.

    The other option I see in the draft is take a couple wings, and at least one with with legitimate SF size at 8 and 14, then aim for a backup big, PF/C or true C at 38.

    if we took a big at 8 or 14 I noticed Chaz Lanier has also slotted to us at 38 on Tankathon which could give us another wing option with strong 3 ball % shooting.

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    I like Castle and I'm not really looking to trade him, but I do think he's a bad fit with Fox (as we're currently constructed..and I realize that can change). I think eventually Fox or Castle gets moved. I'm fine keeping both for now and finding another shooter at the1-2 position to fill out a back court rotation. I'd be looking at Knueppel or Jackucionis at #8, maybe even Jase Richardson, though I think that's a little high for him.

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    I think this is right. They’re probably super eager to get the Fox-Wemby pairing going, and as far as I’m concerned we’ve already made our “summer” trade. And if Castle hits as the 3rd guy, great, if not he effectively replaces Keldon until Castle himself is moved.

    Now it’s about a) cycling in some vets, and b) drafting players who can eventually replace/push our current “good” role players (Dev, Keldon, Sochan). e.g., Tre Johnson as Dev 2.0 etc.

    Up or out as they say in the consulting world.
    I would agree that while front court help is the most glaring need, if BPA at 8 is a SG - or we move into top 4 - we can go that route since we really only like Castle and Fox a lot amongst our guards and need to start thinking about whether to continue on with Vassell as our 3rd guard or make upgrading that spot a priority.

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    I like Castle and I'm not really looking to trade him, but I do think he's a bad fit with Fox (as we're currently constructed..and I realize that can change). I think eventually Fox or Castle gets moved. I'm fine keeping both for now and finding another shooter at the1-2 position to fill out a back court rotation. I'd be looking at Knueppel or Jackucionis at #8, maybe even Jase Richardson, though I think that's a little high for him.
    A PG/SG is an option and I don’t hate Richardson, but if our top 3 guards were Fox - Richardson - Castle that doesn’t check the box on sufficient guard size. Yet having a couple small guards worked out for CLE. That also assumes that Vassell was not around as a guard option such as due to being traded. Of course if Vassell is our 4th guard that’s a pricey option but at least he can play some SF too.

    As Yoda said the future is cloudy, but at least we have our core for now to build around.

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    The five players who I think will KILL it in the Spurs workouts:

    Jase Richardson
    Egor Demin
    Derik Queen
    Ben Saraf
    VJ Edgecombe

    I’m gonna bet at least one of the Spurs picks will be coming from this group, not confident yet to say that both picks will come from these five but I’m close to there.

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    The five players who I think will KILL it in the Spurs workouts:

    Jase Richardson
    Egor Demin
    Derik Queen
    Ben Saraf
    VJ Edgecombe

    I’m gonna bet at least one of the Spurs picks will be coming from this group, not confident yet to say that both picks will come from these five but I’m close to there.
    Could you expound a little more on what you see in Demin and how you think his shooting will project? I have him #12 currently.

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    A PG/SG is an option and I don’t hate Richardson, but if our top 3 guards were Fox - Richardson - Castle that doesn’t check the box on sufficient guard size. Yet having a couple small guards worked out for CLE. That also assumes that Vassell was not around as a guard option such as due to being traded. Of course if Vassell is our 4th guard that’s a pricey option but at least he can play some SF too.

    As Yoda said the future is cloudy, but at least we have our core for now to build around.
    Richardson should fit well with Castle, but it's a small backcourt when paired with Fox. I still think it can work for the shorter-term while we figure out who's part of the core.

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    Could you expound a little more on what you see in Demin and how you think his shooting will project? I have him #12 currently.
    I favor players who have a lot more 1 on 1 skill in their bag and I think Egor is one of those guys (like Castle) who sacrificed the opportunity to show this skill and instead focused on playing a specific role for his college team. I’m looking at more of Egor’s older tape where he let himself takeover more than trying to be part of the team.

    On the opposite side of this spectrum is Queen who showed nothing but 1 on 1 skill during his college tenure. (Highly impressive for a guy his size but can be seen as bad at the same time)
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    I favor players who have a lot more 1 on 1 skill in their bag and I think Egor is one of those guys (like Castle) who sacrificed not showing much of that type of skill for the team. I’m looking at more of Egor’s older tape where he let himself takeover more than trying to be part of the team.

    On the opposite side of this spectrum is Queen who showed nothing but 1 on 1 skill during his college tenure. (Highly impressive for a guy his size but can be seen as bad at the same time)
    I raye Demin above Queen. Questions about his motor and D bother me quite a bit. I also worry about Demins D, lateral movement, and shooting. That said, if he could shoot he'd be top 2 or 3 in this draft. I'd risk it though after about #10. He's got all of the other offensive tools plus positional size. I think he's got the best court vision in this draft, although Jackucionis is a little better in the PnR. I also don't think Demin's shot is broken. I think he can become a passable shooter. I just am uncomfortable taking a guy who can't shoot at #8. If he's there at #14 sign me up.

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    People are sleeping on Ben Saraf, tbh. Watching Kawhi slug his way on offense and still be super effective because he’s methodical, navigating through screens, securing the ball with ease, and just smartly reacting to what the defense gives him… Saraf has that advanced level feel, too.

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    Speak of the devil, HH just uploaded the Saraf video:



    i’ve only begun the video obviously but peep the moves at 1:30 (Castle-like move) and 1:52 (doesn’t matter if it went or not). Just a high display of skill and feel from this kid.

    Saraf is like the on ball version of Kon (which is why I think Saraf will wow teams more than Kon when they bring him in). People might have feelings over what the team may need or not need, but getting either of these two would be a huge plus for the team.

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    The plus side of having so many roster needs is we can target any position, but we still need to probably have 2 of our 3 draftees be frontcourt players if we keep all 3 picks. One player I liked quite a bit at 32 last draft was Filipowski. Someone like that at 38 could be a nice value.

    I’m making that statement about 2 frontcourt draftees in a vacuum - i.e. not trying to account for any trade or free agent acquisitions. Pick up a Naz Reid and I think we can reduce to one front court draftee, BUT we still need more help at SF and backup C.

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    Speak of the devil, HH just uploaded the Saraf video:



    i’ve only begun the video obviously but peep the moves at 1:30 (Castle-like move) and 1:52 (doesn’t matter if it went or not). Just a high display of skill and feel from this kid.

    Saraf is like the on ball version of Kon (which is why I think Saraf will wow teams more than Kon when they bring him in). People might have feelings over what the team may need or not need, but getting either of these two would be a huge plus for the team.
    Jeesh, I think he shot leas than 20% for that whole video.

    I also don’t know about that German league… talent coming from there will have that Killian Hayes stank on them, until one of them proves otherwise

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    Jeesh, I think he shot leas than 20% for that whole video.

    I also don’t know about that German league… talent coming from there will have that Killian Hayes stank on them, until one of them proves otherwise
    Video has been out for one hour and the video is four hours long.

    but also if you’re watching the videos and counting makes and misses you’re not doing a good job evaluating the player, tbh. You can look up the stats for that and formulate your opinion from there. That’s clearly not what these videos are for smh. Anyone here actually serious about this

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    Jeesh, I think he shot leas than 20% for that whole video.

    I also don’t know about that German league… talent coming from there will have that Killian Hayes stank on them, until one of them proves otherwise
    This guy looks horrible. McNeeley is much better

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