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    The first three of those seasons the Spurs tried to make the playoffs and just failed, finishing 10th twice. Then they tore things down and were bad for two seasons, and this season losing Wemby with 30 games to go ruined any realistic chance at a play-in run.

    Saying that the front office sucks just because they have the longest playoff drought in the league is far too simplistic. I can fault them for taking too long to get off the treadmill, but the teardown and rebuild is something many teams, even ones with competent FOs, often do.
    We actually don't disagree here. Though I would say that trying to make the playoffs for 3 straight years and failing is often times enough to justifiably spur (no pun intended) change for some organizations. Earnestly trying to make the playoffs for 3 straight years and failing is actually a pretty clear signal that you aren't doing a very good job (since over 50% of the teams make the playoffs... doing so is actually a fairly low bar). The Spurs management benefitted from an extremely long leash earned (and I want to stress that they earned this long leash, because they did) over 2+ decades of excellence. And I think they've actually done a fine job with the rebuild (now that it has actually started), and I'm not actually calling for the Front Office to be fired...

    But if it takes us another 3-5 years to reach Houston's level (first playoff appearance after a drought), then they will deserve to have been fired. Because then it will have either been:

    a) 9 to 11 years of rebuilding, or
    b) 3 years of failing to make the playoffs followed by 6 to 8 years of rebuilding

    Both of those scenarios are equally atrocious. Like Sacramento Kings/Charlotte Hornets level bad.

    Thankfully, I think next year we'll be in the playoffs.
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    KAT's a punk.

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    Too bad Mitc Robinson is another one of those guys who's bodies just have betrayed him. I like him as an old school C.

    KAT and Cam Payne alone make NYK one of the most unlikeable teams imaginable.

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    You're right. There is nothing revelatory about the idea that the Spurs should fire people if it takes them 3 to 5 more years to be relevant again. And you're also right... arguing about it is boring and redundant, because hopefully everyone is in agreement that we should make big time changes to management (which includes the FO and coaching staff) if it takes us 3-5 more years to return to relevance. It's only interesting when someone disagrees... the same way that it's interesting to watch public figures have complete meltdowns.

    Thankfully for me, I don't really care how interested you are in my posts. You do not need my permission to not read them.
    i wasn't just referring to your posts. sure, you have your fair share of them but you also have more than your fair share of interesting points. i just know that other fans who avoid this site because they tell me it's just a bunch of know-it-alls who just about everything all the time. i counter that there are a lot of weeds in the lawn but every once in a while you'll find some very solid takes and really great information. that's why i stay true to the site. it has nothing to do with the poster so, yeah, it's not personal.

    and i'm sure there is some version of ST in Detroit in which there were tons of posts to fire everyone because they were too far away from being relevant, especially when they were in the middle of their horrendous losing streak. and now, they're posting about tonight's game against the knicks. we're just fans.

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    and i'm sure there is some version of ST in Detroit in which there were tons of posts to fire everyone because they were too far away from being relevant, especially when they were in the middle of their horrendous losing streak. and now, they're posting about tonight's game against the knicks. we're just fans.
    Wait until you find out what DET did before this season...

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    Wait until you find out what DET did before this season...
    already know. what i don't know is what the spurs will do before next season. hopefully, one of your reverse jinxes will pay off.

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    already know. what i don't know is what the spurs will do before next season. hopefully, one of your reverse jinxes will pay off.
    Ha! Fair enough. Though I'm not actively trying to reverse jinx anything currently... I truly believe this will be our offseason:

    -Pop will retire, we'll get a new coach. Maybe Mitch but I think probably less than a 40% chance of that
    -CP3 will move on
    -We'll add two rookies
    -We'll add a useful vet with the MLE
    -No big move like Naz/KD/Giannis/etc

    And again for the record... I'm not actually saying our FO needs to be fired. This was all in the response to the idea that we are 3-5 years behind HOU/OKC (which I don't agree with).

    Hopefully I'm definitely NOT reverse jinx'ing that last thought!

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    There is going to be a lot of growing pains next year with probably a new coach bringing in a new staff it is going to take some time to jell. Even if we bring in someone from past Spurs organization it is still going to take time to building new relationships to new offense and hopefully new defensive schemes. There are so many bad habits that need to be fixed it is going to take a lot of time to fix everything but I agree IF everyone can stay healthy we probably make Play In.

    One thing from watching current Playoff’s is that teams are playing very Physical we are going to need to get some dogs on this team if we want to go far. And we are definitely going to need to get Wemby some help as I don’t think his body will hold up very long in Playoff environment

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    Last year’s HOU team was 3-5 years behind this year’s HOU team, tbqh

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    Last year’s HOU team was 3-5 years behind this year’s HOU team, tbqh
    Facts

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    NBA refs are so bad. This game is going to end up with a fight.

    Edit: Payne and Schroeder double tech. Schroeder had to beg for that.

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    Is Jalen Duren always this much of a bonehead? What was that jump ball?

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    Is Jalen Duren always this much of a bonehead? What was that jump ball?
    Bbiq has never been his strength..

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    Anyone else think the Grizz blow this lead?

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    If the Spurs are truly 3 years behind HOU and 5 years behind OKC... then everyone in the front office should be immediately fired, considering both HOU and OKC's rebuilds* started the year after ours.

    *I'm defining the start of the rebuild as the season following their last playoff appearance. Some will argue that the Spurs didn't start their rebuild until they traded DDR two years after that... but this isn't exactly a ringing endorsement for the FO's decision making either, tbh.

    For the record, I don't think we are 3 and 5 years behind... but we need to get serious with our roster building and especially coaching, asap.
    I personally think the rebuild started once they ended the DJ-LMA-DDR era in its entirety (so DJ trade). But I will accept it being the DDR trade too (year earlier).

    The Primo miss also set them back.

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    Anyone else think the Grizz blow this lead?
    Yea, especially with Morant out

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    Yea, especially with Morant out
    been watching the NFL draft so I missed that

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    been watching the NFL draft so I missed that
    Cowboys get anyone good?

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    Caruso guarding JJJ is pretty crazy.

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    OKC vs the Clippers is gonna be a great series.

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    Cowboys get anyone good?
    Drafted safe imo

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    I bet Sam Presti is just sick to his stomach that he traded Giddey for Caruso

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    Anyone else think the Grizz blow this lead?
    Robztradamus, tbh

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    The Grizzlies getting what they deserve, tbh.

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    It is looking increasingly the case that both the Nuggets & Bucks may have wasted the prime of two All-timers in Giannis and Jokic. Giannis hasn’t won a playoff series since 2022. Imagine such drought spanning the typical peak age of an NBA star (27-31). Meanwhile Jokic keeps racking up MVPs as the undisputed best player in the world for the past 4 years only for it to result in a 1 le/Conference Finals in the same run beating a bunch of sub 50-win teams. The Nuggets never even had a truly dominant regular season with Jokic like every All Time Great.


    As much as it still bugs me to this day that the Spurs never repeated, we at least still won three championships at the height of the Duncan Era (2003-2007), and that only a couple of bounces and bad breaks (0.4 and Manu foul on Dirk) prevented a potential threepeat during the meat of Timmy’s prime
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