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That was a typo I corrected. Top 15 was what it should have said
There is absolutely no way you can play Fox and Fears at the same time. That means you're using a lottery pick on a guy who gets 14 minutes a game. Drafting him is senseless.
That was a typo I corrected. Top 15 was what it should have said
It's a close call. I wouldn't mind getting both and I don't care if they are projected a few picks lower than 8. The players projected around 8 aren't any better. Together they will fit nicely onto the team's needs.
I know some here are wanting to draft backup guards but upgrading and adding more depth at SF and PF is more important for the current team.
Aren't you the one who said Fox does not factor into anything?
He never wanted Fox. He hand waves any future plan involving him. He talks like Fox is 33 and will only effective another year or so
How do you people read things and not understand anything?
I've talked about how Fox is 28 years old next year and only impacts the first maybe third or hopefully fourth of Wemby's career.
Which is true.
Lol, you guys were obsessed with getting an expensive player, swore Fox is a top twenty player in the league, and both think he's going to be the franchise fire the next fifteen years and we need to trade for another max guy.
Stop exaggerating and just get real.
Cause you are doing a Chinook impression and contradicting yourself in the same post.
we're all amateurs, no need to suck your own here
The Fox trade has sped up the timetable of the rebuilding. Spurs off-season can't just be to add a couple of rookies. Trades and significant free agent signings should be part of it.
Spurs pick (likely 8th or 9th) and Hawks pick likely (14th) are two great trade assets. It opens some questions: What is the best vet you can get for #8/#9 ? for #14 ? How much more trade value can you get for #8/#9 than for #14 ?
I'm not sold on most of the players available at #8/#9 for Spurs. Players like Fears, Queen, Maluach, Jakucionis, CMB or Demin are questionable fit and/or talent. Spurs might end up trading that pick.
At #14, there are a bunch of fine prospects who aren't good enough to be picked at #8/#9: Liam McNeeley, Noa Essengue, Carter Bryant And Asa Newell.
I agree about the timeline aspect, but I don‘t agree about the logic regarding trading 8/9. if the draft wasn‘t offering enough talent in that region, the pick‘s trade value would be limited as well, right? so, would they really burn it as a trade bait for someone like, say, Cam Johnson? I think they would rather use some of the future picks, to make such trades work.
but I agree that they might not pick two guys. so any trade action on draft night will be in play. and this might be a trade up scenario as well, if they don‘t like the talent at 8. (I know that trade ups not often happen though)
overall I do think they see this draft still as the right moment to bring future talent in, even if the plan is, to go for the PO next year.
they should have enough options to go both directions.
See Bruno agrees. It is best for high trade value players to drop to our picks. We should pray the role guys are picked before us like Malauch, CMB and Nipple to set us up for equal value trade.
He said he wasnt sold on Fears, that's not exactly agreeing with you. If the central tenant of your argument is "we should be open to trades" then just about everyone here agrees with you and that includes picks and players if the deal is right.
Bit off topic but watching Samanic right now. Can confirm he’s still an utter idiot.
Edit: game’s over now, so just to expand. His team is up 5 with 2 mins to go, he makes 2 incredibly dumb fouls, one on defence, one on offence. Then he has a horrible defensive play where he turns his back on the attacker (gets bailed out).
And finally, the cherry on top - they’re up 3 and have the ball with 10 seconds to go. They inbound to Samanic, he doesn’t hold the ball waiting to be fouled but attacks immediately and misses, the other team hit a 3 with the buzzer to send the game to overtime. He’s promptly benched for the OT, his team proceed to win in double OT.
Samanic literally a mix of the worst of Simmons and Russ.
Last edited by BG_Spurs_Fan; 04-27-2025 at 07:59 AM.
Mitch Johnson reiterated at the end of the regular season that they will be taking it slow and that there will be no shortcuts. He said they are focused on the core players. Doubt they change that approach and make a lot of trades. They will be opportunistic again.
I checked out Ryan Kalkbrenner and he looks nice. I think if they go cheap again for bigs, he’s a nice option. However, I think since last year’s draft, they are waiting for the right big to fall to them. Their interest in Salaun last year (bringing him in for a workout, Tony Parker wanting to be the first one to call it, and all of that) showed that if their target is there, they will take him. I doubt they don’t do anything serious with their frontcourt situation— they don’t want to continue playing the other guys like Sochan out of position.
Value of the pick might be higher to another team than for Spurs. A player like Derrick Queen should be viewed as a high quality prospect by rebuilding teams while, for Spurs, there is the obvious question mark about his fit with Wembanyama.
The reasoning behind trading Spurs' pic is just that Spurs mostly need forwards who can shoot and that most of the BPAs at 8th/9th should be guards or centers who can't shoot. Saying that, I'm not sure exactly for who Spurs should trade that pick. Cam Johnson is great fit wise but is he really worth trading away such a high pick?
I wonder if Nets would be interested in swapping 8 OA + Keldon for early 20 pick and Cam Johnson
JFC if Coach Fivehead is back next year. Spurs need to fire Pop already and go out and get a coach.
My ranking of draft prospects by position:
PG, point guard (1 only - usually due to lack of size or poor defensive versatility)
1. Fears
2. Fland
G, guard (1 and 2)
1. VJ Edgecombe
2. Jase Richardson
3. Kasparas
4. Nolan Traore
GW, guard-wing (1 and 2 and 3)
1. Dylan Harper
2. Ben Saraf
W, wing (2 and 3)
1. Kon Knueppel
2. Tre Johnson
3. Will Riley
WF, wing-forward (2 and 3 and 4)
1. Egor Demin
F, forward (3 and 4)
1. Cooper Flagg
2. Ace Bailey
3. Carter Bryant
4. Noah Penda
5. Noa Essengue
6. Liam McNeeley
FC, forward-center (4 and 5)
1. Sorber
2. Queen
3. Fleming
4. Wolf
5. CMB
6. Yaxel Lendeborg
7. Asa Newell
C, center (5 only - usually due to lack of offensive skills or poor mobility)
1. Malauch
2. Joan Beringer
3. Ryan Kalkbrenner
Last edited by Dejounte; 04-27-2025 at 08:29 AM.
Is this for a Spurs board or just in general overall?
General… and what I’d hope the Spurs would have too… so both, I guess
Imagine the Spurs thinking we have more than 3 “core players.” Take what slow exactly? Learning how to play defense? Everyone knows it takes 6 years to learn how to switch a screen guys or to not ball watch the entire possession. I look at other young teams (like Cleveland, Detroit, OKC) and they play smart basketball. Meanwhile our team is like let’s take it slow. We have “core pieces” that are young and need to learn how to play.
Fire Pop and use his money on actual player development please. I’m tired of all this low level basketball.
I was not sold either.
I don't know why it's hard to understand plain English.
They're on the same track they were two summers ago. They wanted to see what works around Wembanyama. They did. They wanted to build those pieces in. They are. This year, they wanted to add veterans to help the overall team, but obviously not everything is there yet.
Somehow you are forgetting that this was a team on track to make at worst the play-in in a psychotically hard Western Conference until Wembanyama got hurt and then went down.
In the midst of this, they managed to get a very good older player who raises the talent level and barely gave up anything to get him, in Fox. Which is what you people kept insisting they do -- but wanting give up the farm to do so. Somehow they didn't give up the farm.
Now, people like you want to give up the farm for expensive players who might only serve for a few years. Maybe they should, maybe they will.
But this childish screaming about what's going on is just so completely stupid, to be honest. Why I get a huge laugh at this board. Consistently the people with horrible ideas look back at their horrible ideas, acknowledge them, then get really, really mad when others point out how horrible their current ideas are. Maybe if you keep coming up with horrible ideas, change your approach?
That's neither here nor there. The point is -- this team IS where it needs to be at this point. You just get jumpy because other teams are further along the timeline. The FO is going to add more pieces, but aren't in a big ing rush because 1) they're already a play-in team, 2) some teams in the WC are going to decay very soon, 3) they added a major piece in Fox who will be good for a number of years for nothing.
And, no, to throw fuel on the fire, they're not trading Keldon or Devin 'just because.' That's wild. They're not trading Castle for any imaginable reason. Just hold the on. If you gotta pee, go pee. Don't dance around like a toddler.
Fair take, but you didn't mention the biggest issue, which is coaching.
The uncertainty needs to be resolved before the draft night.
RC needs to step in and tell Pop it's time to retire, he's the only one who can do it. Or even have Timmy convince him.
Having Pop still formally in charge with his health issue would be awful, we need to figure out a direction before the draft night and more importantly free agency.
I honestly don't care which style of basketball Spurs go for, as long as it enables them to be a serious contender in a few years.
But we can't complete the roster, mainly that PF position, before we know who's in charge and what's his style of basketball going to be.
As for current roster, my biggest issue is Devin's fit. I don't believe he's the long term scorer we need, but I understand where people who believe in him are coming from.
One thing that's not up for debate for me is him in the starting lineup. If we go with Fox/Castle/Devin we're giving up so much advantage on both ends of the floor.
Players way better than Devin accepted a 6th man role for the sake of winning, he should do the same.
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