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[rankingtear]

Primo was not just the worst pick the Spurs ever made, he could be the worst pick anyone has ever made. He wasn't projected to go high. The Spurs only picked him because they worked him out. The Spurs could have traded down twice and still gotten him. That is all before addressing his character issues and lack of NBA talent.

Nah the pick is inconsequential. James Wiseman and Darko Milic have championship and financial implications. They waived Primo and moved on.

[Sugus]

There is proof, namely that he never made it.

After a career-derailing public sexual incident? You don't think this has had an impact on his development whatsoever, as both a person as a player, in his most crucial years? Jesus.

The Clippers jumped on signing him after his suspension was up and he never could hack it. The Primo pick wasn't a up because he became a sex criminal, it was a up because he was a complete scrub drafted in the lottery.

He wasn't a scrub when drafted, just a low-usage player who wasn't the focus offensive player in his lone college season. Much like - pitchforks down - Castle was. Sure, a gulf of difference in counting stats between the two (and they were draft-slotted accordingly in the draft) but the point remains that a lot of "scrub" players on draft day/rookie season end up developing plenty impactful careers.

You just gotta avoid being a sexual deviant for that, which again, is part of who he is.

[Sugus]

I think that’s some revisionist history to fit a narrative. Wouldn’t call him a scrub. He actually started that last season pretty well, and it wasn’t like the Clips (or any other team) pounced to get him. It took time. The Spurs were also marketing him aggressively.

https://www.nba.com/watch/video/josh...a-city-thunder

The big blunder though was how the a team that prides itself on picking winners and losers on character could miss so badly in that area. Honestly, I also kinda think if it was another team they would have looked the other way.

Thank you - correct on all accounts, including your very important last point. There are several wife-beaters currently employed by the NBA. None on the Spurs though.

People cannot seem to separate between their narratives or preconceptions and what's actually in front of their eyes. Primo (by his own damn fault, of course) was robbed of a normal player's development path and curve.

Lastly, I'd like to again point out that it is not currently possible to predict or "out" sexual deviant players. Like, how many dozen public figures once beloved, from Diddy to Bill Cosby, were well-regarded for years by everyone before their misconduct came into light? It's not something that's "below the Spurs", it's a pretty ing hard thing for anyone at all to see through, and they mask it on purpose.

[Sugus]

Nah the pick is inconsequential. James Wiseman and Darko Milic have championship and financial implications. They waived Primo and moved on.

People go absolutely re ed whenever there's an opportunity to on PATFO. Objectivity be damned.

that Wiseman pick, what a -up by the Dubs. Trading that pick for immediate help instead of drafting the historically raw, underdeveloped center was the most obvious move they had to make.

[Sugus]

A final thought on the topic, as I really don't wish to keep derailing this Castle thread with Primo bull ;

The reason why the judgment on the Primo pick irks me is that people have seen, time and time again, the Spurs succeed with the same exact process and philosophy, yet can only criticize the failed attempts without considering they're the necessary counterpart to their success stories.

Like, put draft slot aside for a second - wasn't Dejounte Murray a "scrub" when drafted as well? How many years did this forum run the Instagram Baller horse into the ground before he actually developed into a positive, All-Star level player, and shut everyone up? He's a serviceable player by all accounts and he's far from the Spurs' only successful "draft the hidden gem" example.

Point is, the Spurs follow a tried-and-true drafting philosophy and methods, that begets the Primo's and Samanic's and Lonnie's of the world, because the same philosophy also gets you the Dejounte's, the White's, the Castle's. You can argue the methods, but I honestly think the results speak for themselves in the end.

And again I say, to anyone faulting the Spurs for "not realizing" he was a sexual assaulter, please post forward your method, because society as a whole could reeeeally ing use that.

[baseline bum]

After a career-derailing public sexual incident? You don't think this has had an impact on his development whatsoever, as both a person as a player, in his most crucial years? Jesus.



He wasn't a scrub when drafted, just a low-usage player who wasn't the focus offensive player in his lone college season. Much like - pitchforks down - Castle was. Sure, a gulf of difference in counting stats between the two (and they were draft-slotted accordingly in the draft) but the point remains that a lot of "scrub" players on draft day/rookie season end up developing plenty impactful careers.

You just gotta avoid being a sexual deviant for that, which again, is part of who he is.

Meh players get all kinds of second chances if they have talent, and Primo got a second chance. He was just a scrub, same as he was here save that one preseason game he went off in.

[baseline bum]

A final thought on the topic, as I really don't wish to keep derailing this Castle thread with Primo bull ;

The reason why the judgment on the Primo pick irks me is that people have seen, time and time again, the Spurs succeed with the same exact process and philosophy, yet can only criticize the failed attempts without considering they're the necessary counterpart to their success stories.

Like, put draft slot aside for a second - wasn't Dejounte Murray a "scrub" when drafted as well? How many years did this forum run the Instagram Baller horse into the ground before he actually developed into a positive, All-Star level player, and shut everyone up? He's a serviceable player by all accounts and he's far from the Spurs' only successful "draft the hidden gem" example.

Point is, the Spurs follow a tried-and-true drafting philosophy and methods, that begets the Primo's and Samanic's and Lonnie's of the world, because the same philosophy also gets you the Dejounte's, the White's, the Castle's. You can argue the methods, but I honestly think the results speak for themselves in the end.

And again I say, to anyone faulting the Spurs for "not realizing" he was a sexual assaulter, please post forward your method, because society as a whole could reeeeally ing use that.

I don't know why you want to die on this Primo hill. Dejounte was the second to last pick of the first round who only slipped because GMs didn't like his gang ties but with his talent it was a worthy gamble at pick #29, and it turns out all those worries were wrong. If the Spurs had drafted Primo at the end of the first and he busted well happens. I don't hold Samanic, Branham, or Wesley against them because late firsts usually aren't all that good and sometimes you gotta take a big chance like Samanic. But Primo at 12 was lunacy, they could have traded for a pick in the mid to late 20s and probably gotten him there.

[Ice009]

There is proof, namely that he never made it. The Clippers jumped on signing him after his suspension was up and he never could hack it. The Primo pick wasn't a up because he became a sex criminal, it was a up because he was a complete scrub drafted in the lottery.

Yep. I wasn't watching the Spurs much when Primo was drafted, but the whole time, I was trying to figure out what the they saw in that guy.

in 4 games he was averaging 7/3/4.5 on 34.6% shooting. he was awful.


thats because they were re ed and thought he was the face of the franchise for some reason that never made sense


this was a preseason game


thats a blunder too, but he was also a subpar prospect who had no business being picked that guy... good character or not

This was another thing that put me off. I kept hearing people (even Sean) mention the Spurs are saying he's going to be the face of the franchise (I don't even know if Sean believed it or was just going along with/pushing what they were saying) and I kept think WTF every-time I heard that. I kept thinking, what is giving them that impression.

except that he's out of the league and his game never went nowhere, while players drafted after him became All-Stars



and yet you're still here ing and moaning like the you are

Exactly, he never was good or showed any potential as far as I saw.

Primo was not just the worst pick the Spurs ever made, he could be the worst pick anyone has ever made. He wasn't projected to go high. The Spurs only picked him because they worked him out. The Spurs could have traded down twice and still gotten him. That is all before addressing his character issues and lack of NBA talent.

Exactly. I don't get why more people don't think this way about Primo. The guy was a joke of a pick. The reach of reaches. He must have been great in the interview, or maybe there is just someone weird in the organization that wanted another weird guy on the team.

Meh players get all kinds of second chances if they have talent, and Primo got a second chance. He was just a scrub, same as he was here save that one preseason game he went off in.

Again, couldn't say it better than that. If a player has any of decent to good level of talent, those players usually get lots of second chances quite a bit. He got one and did nothing in that either.

I'm sorry to even bring this up in a thread about Steph, as I don't ever really want to talk about of think about this pick again.

[Leetonidas]

Primo was a terrible pick regardless of him flashing his or not. at the time it was a head scratcher and over time it looks even worse. The fact that he has been unable to stick on an NBA roster tells you he simply isn't good enough. To take a dude that wasn't even projected to be taken in the first with the 12th pick is inexcusable. Can't believe people still defend that pick

[The Truth #6]

His scandal was a blessing in disguise only in that they were able to cut him and not continue to waste time on him as a centerpiece. Brian Wright was learning the ropes around this time and is lucky he didn't get fired. He's generally been a solid GM since then, though our underfunded development staff makes his picks look worse.

[Mr. Body]

Primo wasn't a great pick, it was a swing at a possible emerging young guy. He was starting to take on multiple duties on a veteran Alabama team. Again, the draft wasn't really great at that point. It should have been Sengun. Trey Murphy and a couple other players were still there, but even Murphy didn't look that great for Virginia.

HOWEVER, it's false to say he would have always sucked because he sucks now. He lost like three years of vital development. You can't say he sucked in the G-League and that was always the outcome. That's not how things work. The same player has different outcomes if he goes to different teams or different locations. If he kept it in his pants he would have stuck on and gotten plenty of reps and focused attention.

[cutewizard]

[baseline bum]

Primo wasn't a great pick, it was a swing at a possible emerging young guy. He was starting to take on multiple duties on a veteran Alabama team. Again, the draft wasn't really great at that point. It should have been Sengun. Trey Murphy and a couple other players were still there, but even Murphy didn't look that great for Virginia.

HOWEVER, it's false to say he would have always sucked because he sucks now. He lost like three years of vital development. You can't say he sucked in the G-League and that was always the outcome. That's not how things work. The same player has different outcomes if he goes to different teams or different locations. If he kept it in his pants he would have stuck on and gotten plenty of reps and focused attention.

He lost about 10 months from the time he was cut to the time the Clippers picked him up and that's a team with an S Tier coaching staff who saw nothing interesting enough to keep Primo around for.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Primo wasn't a great pick, it was a swing at a possible emerging young guy. He was starting to take on multiple duties on a veteran Alabama team. Again, the draft wasn't really great at that point. It should have been Sengun. Trey Murphy and a couple other players were still there, but even Murphy didn't look that great for Virginia.

HOWEVER, it's false to say he would have always sucked because he sucks now. He lost like three years of vital development. You can't say he sucked in the G-League and that was always the outcome. That's not how things work. The same player has different outcomes if he goes to different teams or different locations. If he kept it in his pants he would have stuck on and gotten plenty of reps and focused attention.

Lol, he wasn't emerging on Bama. He was a mid bench guy.

It was a ty, stupid pick.

[Sugus]

I don't know why you want to die on this Primo hill.

I don't, actually; I hardly care, despite writing a bit on the topic. It wasn't my original point.

Let's move on.

[Sugus]

Castle on consecutive ROTY + future:

"I think that just speaks super highly of our front office, the guys that make the decisions. Obviously, speaks highly of me and Vic, but I definitely think it speaks highly of our future as well, what we have going on and what we plan on doing here pretty soon."

[Tyronn Lue]

Well deserved

Better than Rookie Tony Parker tbh

Rookie TP had to conserve energy to carry those 4 rings and the Finals MVP trophy.

[Tyronn Lue]

Castle on consecutive ROTY + future:

Victor is unreal, next to those giants he dwarfs them.

Next to Tim, Alien vs Predator