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Alright
Let's cut back on the hyperbole
I wouldn't be so sure that Doc Rivers is worse than Mitch...and Doc is straight garbage.
Alright
Let's cut back on the hyperbole
You know this is just a continuation of last year? Pop is still in the office with his grubby hands on everything, of course he's going to be involved with coaching decisions. That's why you keep the young, cheap coach, so Pop gets to keep dictating. A Malone wouldn't have allowed Pop to do that. So in my mind the last decade of incompetance continues.
Yep, as I said before Mitch reminds me of Forbes and we all know he was a ty player but yet Pop would continue to start him and even rewarded him with a new contract. Looking back not only was he a ty player but it turns out he was even a worse person.
The old man made the right call. He still is head of basketball operations.
The Mitch Johnson selection I'm neither happy or upset about. It just isn't an exciting decision and just have to hope it pans out next season. Here is to hoping the draft favors the spurs
Is Mitch’s window open yet?
Chinook is having an objectively good thread
Some of the takes in here are embarrassing, tbh.
My take on PATFO is known and I'm not even slightly optimistic about this, but can we have a normal discussion without all these circlejerk takes?
As I wrote in that other topic, Spurs scored 117ppg over 25 March/April games and it's not like we didn't play against a lot of playoff teams taking it seriously.
Mitch obviously knows basketball, but I'd say that being a leader and a motivator/psychologist are as just as important as all the gameplan stuff. Head coaches have a dozen assistants for that.
Obviously the biggest issue will be Pop's influence. I'd give Mitch a chance if there wasn't any outside influence on him, but it was obvious he couldn't do some stuff this season, like sitting CP3 after we got Fox.
Will he have the authority to tell Wemby to stop with the awful heroball and turnovers? This season was experimental and he had the green light to do whatever he wants. If we're going to seriously compete, he shouldn't be able to iso on the perimeter at will and jack up Curry range 3s whenever he wants.
Defense was garbage, but there's only so much a coach can do when the personnel isn't there. At what point it stops being coach's fault NBA players are completely unaware on every rebound and don't know the basics of boxing out. That's not his job, they're supposed to know that .
What's roster going to look like? I said it many times, but I don't want to see Devin start with Fox/Castle. We need two legit wings with size, not makeshift smallball just because Devin is making a lot of money.
If Mitch can convince him to be the 6th man, that would be a big win. We all know PATFO won't give up on Devin and trade him.
If Jeremy doesn't fit the team as a wing in Mitch's basketball, he shouldn't be a regular rotation player, we need an actual backup big, no more charity cases or veterans. Again, a coach can't do much if he's left with Collins/Biyombo/Sochan/Bassey as his backup bigs.
Much like the players, Mitch will need to grow into the job and develop. If everyone's healthy and we get a couple of legit players, even a subpar coach should be able to get ~45 wins next season.
Two seasons should be enough to evaluate Mitch unless he fails miserably and shows he's out of his depth. We need to be a serious contender in 2027 playoffs, no excuses.
Some of you just want to be happy with everything the Spurs do and get upset where there are others who disagree with you. I didn't mind the trade, I liked the Castle pick, and I hate this hiring. Address specific people's posts aand avoid making these bull arguments against whoever the you intend them for.some of you just like to and moan before things are even played out. it's what you did when we traded dillingham and people kept saying stuff like "castle willl suck, we should have gotten Reed." it's one thing to be disappointed that they didn't pursue other options, I kinda am. but you have idiots saying things like "the spurs will not make the playoffs again", "wemby will leave", " and its always form the same band of morons.
youre acting like the spurs didn't improve by 12 wins from last year and also started making progress when both wemby and fox were shut down. and don't bring up that teams were mailing it in already, the spurs were also suppose to be tanking and people here get ing that they were getting late season wins because maybe just maybe they might eventually figure things out.
they come back next year with fox for a full season, improved castle, and hoping vassell will stay healthy if they keep him, and some other upgrades through the draft and free agency and you can believe they will be better. the west is tough but we're not ruining our chances already because we decided to keep Mitch.
all this is useless anyway if wemby isn't healthy.
That's why I said, it's on Mitch now.
popp's mind has been gone for a while tbh basically the joe biden of basketball coaching
I've been on Team Mitch since the beginning. I don't think he's going to up.
Mitch will step up or not; this is not phenomenon exclusive to the spurs! Not worth all this handwringing in my opinion. He’s 0-0 as a head coach….
Mitch will step up or not; this is not phenomenon exclusive to the spurs! Not worth all this handwringing in my opinion. He’s 0-0 as a head coach….
Will Mitch demand his team box out and hold them accountable for lazy plays on both offense and defence? Is he willing to get into a players face no matter who they are to wake them up and demand excellence when needed? If this is so than what has he been waiting for ???
These are the things a winning coach must be willing to do just as prime Pop did and yeah I'm just not seeing in him it but I'll happily be wrong.
It feels like a mob is out for Mitch’s head so it’s tough to pick which comments to reference specifically. If the board were split between the Spurs front office and coaching are inept or they are one of the best in the league, I’m in the latter. Here are a few reasons why.
Coaches are fired for a reason. Usually it either comes down to losing your team. The surprise firings over the last few weeks shared that in common.
Many on this board view Pop and the front office as awful. Opinions from around the league still view the franchise as one of the gold standards.
We don’t always get the draft right but it seems to me there are a lot of success stories on players we drafted and developed thriving around the league. Same goes for all of the coaches and front office people that the organization developed.
My impression is that the organization is evaluating whether the current team is a contender each year. If they are great go for it if not positioning for the lottery is more valuable. If you position for the lottery you can’t expect players to tank games but you can control who plays and where along with who’s on the injured list. If the team is doing that the coach will always look inept.
As for Mitch specifically, he is a highly educated, well regarded by his former teammates young guy that the team seems to like. He has 10 years in the organization so understands the Spurs culture which I believe is highly valuable.
Those of you that hate this may be right ultimately but I am more excited to have this guy than any of the others mentioned as alternatives. I also think this team will add some exciting pieces in the offseason. There should be a shift of focus to contending for next year. That will give everyone more clarity on the ability of Mitch as a head coach.
It's my firm belief that Pop's stubbornness and iron fist rule of this organization cost the team at least two les during the Duncan era. Things that were obvious then, but simulator crew couldn't get past. I'll always believe that way.
It's ridiculous that they are letting Pop stick around in any capacity at this point. He needs to ride off into the sunset, enjoy the out of his wine cellar, and spend his remaining days reminiscing over bringing SA five les and the friends he made along the way. He shouldn't be anywhere near this organization in any capacity - it's been ten years since we were relevant in the NBA. Our strategies on O and D are still living in the Duncan era while the league and game have evolved. And everyone in this organization is oriented with his philosophy.
We need new blood, new ideas, and it's never going to happen as long as Pop is around, in whatever capacity he still has.
Defense isn't a personnel problem when your defensive strategy is to sag and protect the paint and dare teams to shoot the three like it's 2010, when every team is running their offense to get their guys open looks from three.
That's just idiotic stubborness to the old ways from when we had Duncan anchoring our D and teams couldn't shoot the three.
You know it’s bleak when the supporters of these moves are saying settle down and wait until 2027.
A competent team with third year Wembanyama should be competing for a championship. Yes, he is that good.
Expecting anything less just shows how far this franchise has fallen. Years of ty players (still can’t believe the derozan era was a thing), ty moves, and ty coaching has left a pervasive stench of loserdom, where squeaking into the playoffs with a top 5 player in this league will be celebrated.
I’m neither here nor there with this move but what’s funny to me is that the same guys who burst a vein complaining about Pop for the past 10 years thought they were going to see a new beginning will instead have another 10 years of bursting their veins. Relax and have a good time, and your blood pressure will thank you for it.
LeBron won in Year 8. Durant won in year 10. Just because YOU want it in year 3,that doesn’t make it the norm.
It actually is a personnel problem. Bad defenders sag off because they know they'll just get blown by if they play aggressive defense.
CP3, Barnes, Devin, Keldon are all awful 1v1 defenders. Playing small lineups on top of that is a killer. Like for example Devin being matched up with Bane who just ran though him every single time.
Did you watch how Timberwolves destroyed the Lakers? Reaves played aggressive defense, but it doesn't help when he's too slow and can't guard anyone on the perimeter. He just got blown by.
Can't have two bad defenders on the floor. Now look at the players I listed as bad defenders, how many lineups without at least two of them Spurs played this season?
Fox/Castle/Barnes/PF/Wemby is our best hope of having a solid defense next season. PF being a ~6'10 good defender who can also shoot the ball decently well.
Don’t change my statement to fit your agenda. Lebron and Durant were in the nba finals by their fourth years. Tatum was in the eastern conference finals by his second year.
Wembanyama has the gifts to be better than any of these guys.
It’s sad that the front office seems to have the same low expectations and standards as the sniffers on a fan message board. I would expect better from a multibillion dollar business with one of the most valuable assets in the league.
Who's bursting a vein?
I've resigned myself to watching us be largely irrelevant as long as Pop has a death grip on how this franchise operates. He's become the Jerry Jones of the NBA. Nothing will change for this franchise until he's gone, unfortunately. Just hope somehow Victor has patience and we don't watch him leave to another program because of it.
It still hurts tbh.
Him being a coach made me disgust Spurs basketball.
They played the most boring and disappointing bball in a long time.
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