2025 NBA Draft

[ace3g]

[Uriel]

How would you guys group the prospects into tiers based on the consensus mocks? I know Tier 1 is Flagg, Harper, Bailey, Edgecombe (since they're top 4 in pretty much every mock I've seen so far). But what about the others?

[mo7888]

How would you guys group the prospects into tiers based on the consensus mocks? I know Tier 1 is Flagg, Harper, Bailey, Edgecombe (since they're top 4 in pretty much every mock I've seen so far). But what about the others?

Tier 1:
1. Cooper Flagg
Tier 2:
2. Dylan Harper
3. V.J Edgecombe
4. Ace Bailey
5. Tre Johnson
Tier 3:
6. Jon Knueppel
7. Liam McNeely
8. Kasparas Jackucionis
9. Jase Richardson
Tier 4:
10. Derick Queen
11. Thomas Sorber
12. Carter Bryant
13. Egor Demin
14. Noa Essengue
15. Shaman Maluach
Tier 5:
16. Jeremiah Fears
17. Asa Newell
18. Ben Saraf
19. Will Riley
20. Nolan Traore
21. Collins Murray-Boyles
Tier 6:
22. Rasheer Fleming
23. Walter Clayton jr
24. Danny Wolf
25. Boogie Fland
26. Alex Condon
27. Tyrese Proctor
28. Alex Karaban
29. Ryan Kalkbrenner
30. Yaxel Lendeborg

[PhantomDashCam]

Tier 1:
1. Cooper Flagg
Tier 2:
2. Dylan Harper
3. V.J Edgecombe
4. Ace Bailey
5. Tre Johnson
Tier 3:
6. Jon Knueppel
7. Liam McNeely
8. Kasparas Jackucionis
9. Jase Richardson
Tier 4:
10. Derick Queen
11. Thomas Sorber
12. Carter Bryant
13. Egor Demin
14. Noa Essengue
15. Shaman Maluach
Tier 5:
16. Jeremiah Fears
17. Asa Newell
18. Ben Saraf
19. Will Riley
20. Nolan Traore
21. Collins Murray-Boyles
Tier 6:
22. Rasheer Fleming
23. Walter Clayton jr
24. Danny Wolf
25. Boogie Fland
26. Alex Condon
27. Tyrese Proctor
28. Alex Karaban
29. Ryan Kalkbrenner
30. Yaxel Lendeborg

With you being one of the more consistent draft evaluators on this site Mo,
what made you put Fears as a non-lottery/Tier 5 prospect?
The draft looks a little weak to me overall and he looks like/reads like only one of the prospects capable of a Star-like trajectory.
Not a knock, just curious.

[DAF86]

You’re probably confusing Sorber with Queen. Sorber’s one of the best defensive bigs in this class.





He’s also 72th percentile in APG, among the best passer at the center spot.

Winning the rebound game is an underrated aspect when it comes to the playoffs.

Denver outrebounded Clippers by 10 in their game 7. Game won.

Rockets plugged Steven Adams in with Sengun and found that was the key to their success. Two mostly-inside bigs. Game won.

Anyway, not out here to convince you but food for thought for everyone else.

Yeah, I was confusing Sorber with Queen, but the point still remains, I don't understand any Spurs fan that wants to draft a non-shooting center in the lottery.

[mo7888]

With you being one of the more consistent draft evaluators on this site Mo,
what made you put Fears as a non-lottery/Tier 5 prospect?
The draft looks a little weak to me overall and he looks like/reads like only one of the prospects capable of a Star-like trajectory.
Not a knock, just curious.

My tiers are based on my opinion of what I think the Spurs board should be. If I were doing one league wide then Fears would be higher. The reason I have him there on a Spurs board, is because his lack of shooting makes him almost unplayable with Castle and Fox (not to mention Sochan) I'm looking for balance and spacing that he doesn't provide at the guard position.

As for the overall draft, I've been pretty consistent that I think it's just an average draft, with the exception of Flagg. I don't think it's that bad, just average. It wouldn't hurt my feelings if we moved picks for current players if our guy isn't there.

[ace3g]

[benefactor]

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[CGD]

This guys seems to be the long toolsy profile of player they like. Can see him or Bryant at 14. Sorber is the other one I think they reach for at 14 if there.

[drpill]

This guys seems to be the long toolsy profile of player they like. Can see him or Bryant at 14. Sorber is the other one I think they reach for at 14 if there.

Vecenie's mock livestream just drafted Bryant at 8 for Spurs and Sorber at 14. I liked both picks given the available options. Bryant is rising on a lot of boards already and will likely be considered a top ten player before too long.

[BatManu20]

Will be interested to see Fleming's measurements at the combine. He looks smaller than 6'9 tbh. Still an intriguing prospect though.

[CGD]

Will be interested to see Fleming's measurements at the combine. He looks smaller than 6'9 tbh. Still an intriguing prospect though.

There are few guys that will make or lose millions based on those measurements. Kon has to top that list. Can’t help but feel he’ll come in like at 6’4.5” with a negative Furphy-like wingspan.

[LeBowen]

Wrong topic.

[Mr. Body]

Vecenie's mock livestream just drafted Bryant at 8 for Spurs and Sorber at 14. I liked both picks given the available options. Bryant is rising on a lot of boards already and will likely be considered a top ten player before too long.

I'll be happy to eat my words, but Bryant would be a massive mistake in the top 10. I'd hate for the Spurs to waste their pick on him.

[itzsoweezee]

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[DAF86]

Will be interested to see Fleming's measurements at the combine. He looks smaller than 6'9 tbh. Still an intriguing prospect though.

He definitely doesn't look smaller than 6'9" in game. I thought he was 6'10", tbh.

[DAF86]

And yeah, still firmly on the Fleming train. There isn't a single player in our range that I like more.

[spurraider21]

He definitely doesn't look smaller than 6'9" in game. I thought he was 6'10", tbh.

its not just the height with him. he's just a huge dude.

[spurraider21]

Bryant is kind of on the lower end of guys i'd want to take at 8-9, but i do think he should go above Fleming. I love Rasheer but he's largely a bet on traits. ive said before that the idea/concept of rasheer fleming is better than the actual player/prospect, but thats a gamble worth taking at the end of the lotto because of his athletic profile.

if we cant land a starting caliber SG/SF type like Johnson or Nipple, then i do think Bryant becomes a reasonable pick at 8. id certainly take him over CMB, Richardson, Newell, Sorber, etc. i think Fleming at 8/9 is a bit rich though

carter is a more dynamic athlete (yes fleming is athletic for his size but i dont really think he generally pops off the screen the way bryant does), a better defender (even if he doesnt have the same rim protection upside), and generally has much better feel for the game.

[SpursGenius]

this is the guy I have been clamoring for before anyone on this board. 10 months ago.

[onechance87]

Yall are sleeping on noah penda.Probably the best defender in this draft.Improving ball handler and playmaker.
Will do the dirty work and is smart player.

[rascal]

Bryant is kind of on the lower end of guys i'd want to take at 8-9, but i do think he should go above Fleming. I love Rasheer but he's largely a bet on traits. ive said before that the idea/concept of rasheer fleming is better than the actual player/prospect, but thats a gamble worth taking at the end of the lotto because of his athletic profile.

if we cant land a starting caliber SG/SF type like Johnson or Nipple, then i do think Bryant becomes a reasonable pick at 8. id certainly take him over CMB, Richardson, Newell, Sorber, etc. i think Fleming at 8/9 is a bit rich though

carter is a more dynamic athlete (yes fleming is athletic for his size but i dont really think he generally pops off the screen the way bryant does), a better defender (even if he doesnt have the same rim protection upside), and generally has much better feel for the game.

How do you figure Kon will be a starter with the Spurs? He isn't going to measure at 6'7 and is floor bound vertically. A catch a shoot offensive player coming off the bench in the NBA.

You don't think you can find a similar player at a lower cost(the 8th pick, likely to be the last top 10 pick for the Spurs in awhile)?
He's a bench player on the Spurs. You want to burn a top 8 pick on a bench player and not even at a position of need?

[DAF86]

Bryant is kind of on the lower end of guys i'd want to take at 8-9, but i do think he should go above Fleming. I love Rasheer but he's largely a bet on traits. ive said before that the idea/concept of rasheer fleming is better than the actual player/prospect, but thats a gamble worth taking at the end of the lotto because of his athletic profile.

if we cant land a starting caliber SG/SF type like Johnson or Nipple, then i do think Bryant becomes a reasonable pick at 8. id certainly take him over CMB, Richardson, Newell, Sorber, etc. i think Fleming at 8/9 is a bit rich though

carter is a more dynamic athlete (yes fleming is athletic for his size but i dont really think he generally pops off the screen the way bryant does), a better defender (even if he doesnt have the same rim protection upside), and generally has much better feel for the game.

I actually see it the other way around. I see Bryant as the bet with probably the higher ceiling and Fleming as the guy more ready to contribute right away because of his NBA ready build and his shot already being good.

[Manu&Duncan fan]

Fleming's dribble is better than advertised. I'm very excited!

[drpill]

I'll be happy to eat my words, but Bryant would be a massive mistake in the top 10. I'd hate for the Spurs to waste their pick on him.

I don't know... It's starting to make sense to me. Good to excellent athlete, good to excellent size (I'm seeing 7-foot wingspan), very high motor, defensive dog, and decent potential to space the floor. Apparently can guard 1-4. I think I heard he was a 6' guard for a while before a huge growth spurt? Also missed some time with a broken leg so he could have a lot of room to grow. Supposedly very high character kid, does charity work, etc. Sounds like an obvious Spurs pick to me if he does well in workouts.

At that spot in the draft, the only other highly rated players on the board were Queen, Fears, Maluach, maybe Colin Murray-Boyles? It looks like a realistic scenario if Spurs are picking at 8 or 9. I was debating if I'd prefer Queen/Fears and whatever wing is available at 14 (Fleming, Essengue?) over Bryant and Sorber.