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Very reasonable questions. But are they as relevant for a high level role player? I guessing someone like mikal bridges would have had similar questions. That type of player 14 would be perfect for San Antonio
I'm waiting for the first one, who develops trade up scenarios for Fleming, to make it 100000% sure to get him, after he watched the 30 seconds video where he dunks over some 5'10" guys.
I asked several times and didn't get an answer that made senes: if this guy is that huuuuge and has such superior athleticism and is so fluid and has such a great shot WHY ????? wasn't he able to dominate his compe ion as an experienced junior, when the compe ion was as low as A10?
why did this lottery talent totally fail, whenever it counted?
why was a junior with 100 games under his belt not able to deliver in a ing NIT game?
why did his production go south till Cap Horn whenever they played the conference tournament?
why was this superior player only the 3rd option on a very average team?
why was his usage so low?
and if so, why is his assist% so low? why wasn't he involved more in the offense?
why did a "huge athlete" like him only make 3 trips to the foul line?
why was he so underwhelming on the offensive boards?
when I see like 10 red flags, I don't rave about some 7'5" wingspan (self reported) before I got some reasonable answers.
Very reasonable questions. But are they as relevant for a high level role player? I guessing someone like mikal bridges would have had similar questions. That type of player 14 would be perfect for San Antonio
a few ways tbh. i agree that Kon is pretty squarely a 2.
1) i think Castle can defend 3's, so a Fox/Kon/Castle lineup should work if need be, much like how jimmy butler usually has played the 3 despite being 6'6 with a barely positive wingspan. castle is half an inch shorter with a longer wingspan than butler, and is already quite strong. basically im giving Devin's spot to Kon and having Castle defend up. butler has played the 3 and even the 4 for most of his career
2) unless Castle' shooting improves by quite a bit, theres a world where he is best served as a manu esque super sixth man, at which point Kon starts at the 2 and Castle is a combo guard who will run the point for all the minute Fox is subbed, and play off-ball the rest of the time
Mikal Bridges won the NCAA championship as a key player in college.
It's a bit nuts to me that people see him dribbling in a workout video against nothing and think that matters. Or that he is sort of like Mikal Bridges because they might be physically similar.
I'd take a swing at Fleming at some point, but vienna is right that the production is just not there for someone you can really expect to be good at the next level. Again, I'd take a swing at some point, but not sure where that would be.
For Carter Bryant, it's a huge red flag to me that he wasn't played as much as other freshmen in the country and was restricted in what he could do. Sure, the highlights look great, but what's the story here? I've seen people claim that the coach was holding him back -- the way ppl claimed Kerr was holding Wiseman or Kuminga back. That's... not how these things work. If a player can play, they play. Arizona's coach ain't gonna sit his phenom if he can win games.
we saw splitter playing behind blair and white playing behind forbes. sometimes thats exactly how these things work
its not unheard of for some college coaches to favor upperclassmen. obviously not possible at one-and-done mills, but a place like Arizona where Bryant was the only freshman to even crack the rotation? sure. particulalyr where the advanced metrics heavily favored him and the film backs up the things he can do
like Fleming, Carter offers little to no on-ball juice. both are good athletes, and both were solid shooters this past year. carter on lower volume by virtue of lower minutes, but on a per minute basis he was shooting more 3's than Fleming was. both were poor FT shooters so theres a question of how real their shooting is
Let me use one data to answer all your questions:
Fleming is one of 8 college players history who made 60+ 3s and 40+ blocks in one season.
That's all we need for his role.
No one can guarantee that his 3s will translate to NBA. But he has as high a chance as anyone, including Kon.
If translates, he will have a high NBA role regardless of your questions answered or not.
Mikal Bridges, Jalen Brunson, Donte DiVincenzo, and Josh Hart won the NCAA championship. For those poor at counting, that’s 3 FRPs and a SRP who turned out to be the best of the bunch.
While Knueppel is the more complete player, Bryant seems to have the higher ceiling. Especially cause he plays lockdown defense. We really need a 3-and-D forward, but he and Fleming are not good at handling the ball, which goes against the whole „positionless basketball“ philosophy the Spurs been talking about all these years. I really hope we draft one of them.
I've seen in a few places that Bryant was thought to have some on-ball chops that didn't really end up translating in college. Maybe with some development he can add that into his game.
No way Kon is good enough to push Castle to the bench. He's not dynamic enough and too limited athletically as a player. He will mainly be a catch and shoot player as his strenght on offense at the NBA level. Spurs need more out of a starting SG.
If you start Castle at SF you lose his positional size at SG. So basically a Vassell replacement will be spent on the 8th pick and that is if the Spurs are really even serious of replacing Vassell.
I'm not even sure Kon will be so much or even any better than Vassell that it's worth using the 8th pick on him.
The only guards I would draft are Harper, VJ(if in the top 4) or Tre Johnson(if the Spurs are lucky enough he falls to 8) because those three players have more upside than Kon.
With Jaku appearing to fall in mocks I want to lead the Jaku > Kon bandwagon. Join on everybody!
You think CIA Pop hasn't rigged one last lottery for us? I'd enjoy getting the top4 pick just because of the league wide meltdown it would cause.
#1 or bust!!!You think CIA Pop hasn't rigged one last lottery for us? I'd enjoy getting the top4 pick just because of the league wide meltdown it would cause.
You should listen to Vecenie's podcast on Kon that just came out. Absolutely raves about him. Has him as his #3 on his big board above Ace and Edgy. He is probably not even an option at #8 at this point sadly. I'm now seeing Carter leap up the boards as I expected though. I've seen three recent mocks where he is at Spurs or above. I don't expect he will be available at #8 either at this point.
Jaku is hard to evaluate imo. on-ball juice is always valued. jaku's outside shooting started hot and fell off. in his first 15 games was making over 40% on 5 attempts. in last 16 games he was making 24% on 5 attempts. the FT% is there. but he's a poor athlete and can he generate enough rim pressure for the playmaking to really show up? his high FT rate suggests he did so well enough at the college level. i still think translation is a legit question.
is he a good enough shooter to play off-ball the way Nips is projected to? what type of player can he reasonably defend?
I have heard he comes from a deaf family and his mother signs for him during his interviews. Very high character and spursian pick.
Fixed.You think CIA Pop hasn't rigged one last lottery for us? I'd enjoy getting two top 4 picks just because of the league wide meltdown it would cause.
There's no reason to keep talking to him about Kon. He sees him as " catch and shoot white guy/taller Reed Sheppard" and he's never going to think about him any other way no matter what you ask him to look at.
And you were on the Reed Sheppard band wagon.
Not crazy about Castle at the 3, he's a little small for handling those types.
If Bryant is a legit 6-8 with 7' or + wingspan, that's more SF sized. And he's 225 and looks it.
he is a bright and eloquent kid. very positive personality. He will do great interviews. teams will fall in love.
I think you guys are underestimating how big 3s are in the modern NBA. Castle needs to be starting in the Spurs’ backcourt. If selecting Kon means castle is not starting in the backcourt, then the Spurs should select someone else.
I'm increasingly of the mind that Kon is going to be a disappointment in the NBA. We'll revisit in a few years.
You got it!
castle will start. Will not be benched or traded for no matter who.
You can bet any new draft will be a disappointment with 60+% confidence.
One third of them will be out of the league in 4 years; Another one third will be less successful than expected.
I'll be happy if Kon can be a starter and average 14+ point with 37% 3-point accuracy while providing average defense and about 3 assists each game.
I have 60% confidence that Kon can accomplish the above stats. Thus I have no problem drafting him at #8.
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