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    Interesting. He said "San Antonio and Houston" several times in a row, it doesn't get much more emphatic than that.

    A three-team deal with the Pelicans to get the Bucks their own picks back would be very difficult, though. The team acquiring Giannis would have to give the Pelicans enough assets to pry those picks loose, and those picks alone might not be enough of a return for the Bucks which means the acquiring team has to give up even more. Perhaps that's why Windhorst keeps talking about the Spurs and Rockets because they're the two teams with enough assets to get this done if they want and are looking to upgrade their rosters.

    Houston has much more of an incentive to deal with Phoenix, though.
    Rockets don’t have any incentive to deal with Phoenix with those picks. They can use them to get Giannis while the Bucks benefit from the Suns being .

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    Any deal with Phoenix is going to be for scraps

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    Imo, trading for Giannis is about if we can construct a top5 roster in the league after the trade.
    Trading for him only to have awful 4th-8th player on the roster wouldn't be worth it, but if there's a bigger plan how to get a couple more elite role players, you go for it.
    If Giannis even asks out, that is.

    He surely has 3 MVP level seasons in him and a couple more all-star level ones after that. We saw what happened with Wemby, we can't take anything for granted and expect he'll have Duncan's longetivity.
    Obviously he can get injured after trade for Giannis, but let's be honest, if Wemby suffers any kind of career altering injury, this franchise is ed and some extra FRPs wouldn't change that situation.

    As for the trade, it would surely be Castle (the only valuable young piece), Jeremy (cheap, some potential, doesn't fit with Giannis) and Keldon. Then either Barnes or Devin, depending on how they see Devin and would they rather have him or Barnes' expiring.
    Then 4 or 5 FRPs on top of that.

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    Giannis is the perfect archetype next to Wemby tbh

    of this archetype, there are lower level tiers

    tier 4: Kevin Looney
    tier 3: Onyeka Okongwu
    tier 2: Bam Adebayao
    tier 1: Giannis

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    The basic framework for the 3 way deal is there:

    SAS: Giannis
    MIL: Zion; NOP returns MIL (swaps)
    NOP: Spurs Players & picks

    Obviously need to Christmas tree up this thing with draft pick ornaments, but the framework is there.

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    Still think there's no way the Spurs get him without giving up Castle. For a player like Giannis guys like Amen Thompson/Jalen Green/Jabari Smith and Chet Holmgren will be on the table.

    If you're Wemby do you really want Giannis? He'll cast a big shadow over the first half of his career like Shaq did to Kobe.

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    I like Castle and all but he should not be a deal breaker in a potential Giannis deal

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    Giannis wants to win. He has a better shot with San Antonio. Houston will only have one of Amen or Sengun left, Brooklyn will still be trash. New Orleans without Zion wouldn’t be compe ive. I like the Spurs’ chances better than any other team. Let’s hope for a top 4 pick and get this done.

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    Giannis wants to win. He has a better shot with San Antonio. Houston will only have one of Amen or Sengun left, Brooklyn will still be trash. New Orleans without Zion wouldn’t be compe ive. I like the Spurs’ chances better than any other team. Let’s hope for a top 4 pick and get this done.
    Victor’s future is still a question. Also if you give up Castle what else is left?

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    Giannis wants to win. He has a better shot with San Antonio. Houston will only have one of Amen or Sengun left, Brooklyn will still be trash. New Orleans without Zion wouldn’t be compe ive. I like the Spurs’ chances better than any other team. Let’s hope for a top 4 pick and get this done.
    if he wants to win he will stay in the East, West is a dog fight

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    Giannis wants to win. He has a better shot with San Antonio. Houston will only have one of Amen or Sengun left, Brooklyn will still be trash. New Orleans without Zion wouldn’t be compe ive. I like the Spurs’ chances better than any other team. Let’s hope for a top 4 pick and get this done.
    Nets have a lot of assets and empty payroll, if Giannis has friends he wants to team up with, Nets would be the perfect destination.
    I agree about the Rockets, they'd need a major revamp, not having any legit shooters was their downfall even before that hypothetical trade.
    Pelicans won't even be considered.

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    Tonight’s lottery will determine a lot

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    If we get 1 or 2 we keep them and pick.
    If we get 3 or 4 I’m in favor of trading them.
    Not sure what happens if we stay at 8 & 14 or drop.

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    if he wants to win he will stay in the East, West is a dog fight
    Have you been watching the playoffs? None of these teams, especially in the west, look particularly impressive. The championship is up for the taking.

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    If Utah wins the draft, I wonder if that makes a Markkanen deal more or less likely? The timeline for Markkanen/Flagg would still make sense, but rebuilding completely around Flagg is a move I could see Ainge going for too.

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    Have you been watching the playoffs? None of these teams, especially in the west, look particularly impressive. The championship is up for the taking.
    What team exactly looks impressive in the East tbh... ?

    You need 36 wins in the East to be in the play in If you are a future star and wants to get the best odd to win a le go to East, easier RS, easier path to the finals.. not even close

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    Still think there's no way the Spurs get him without giving up Castle. For a player like Giannis guys like Amen Thompson/Jalen Green/Jabari Smith and Chet Holmgren will be on the table.

    If you're Wemby do you really want Giannis? He'll cast a big shadow over the first half of his career like Shaq did to Kobe.
    Maybe you’re right in the end re Castle, but if you look under the hood at Houston’s potential offer it’s not that clear cut for them either. MIL will “demand” Amen Thompson from Houston. That’s a hard no apparently for them. Shangun isn’t everyone’s cup of tea given serious defensive and shooting limitations, so not sure if MIL would see that as the big prize either. So then it comes down to how they value Jalen Green….

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    If Utah wins the draft, I wonder if that makes a Markkanen deal more or less likely? The timeline for Markkanen/Flagg would still make sense, but rebuilding completely around Flagg is a move I could see Ainge going for too.
    Markkanen looked alike ass this year. And that’s before you factor in his insane new deal. Hard pass.

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    If you trade for Giannis, you are setting up Wemby to be in the exact situation that Giannis and Jokic are in now, the mid/late career doldrums. There would be no way to improve the team at that point with all of the good picks/swaps gone, and we’d likely have to cash him out at 27-28 years old and start over.

    Trust the process. Keep the picks and swaps and use them. There is an enormous chance that from opening day last year to opening day next season that our roster could churn 40% with the 3 spots already gone in the Fox trade, plus all of the ending contracts we have. Let it play out.

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    Nets have a lot of assets and empty payroll, if Giannis has friends he wants to team up with, Nets would be the perfect destination.
    I agree about the Rockets, they'd need a major revamp, not having any legit shooters was their downfall even before that hypothetical trade.
    Pelicans won't even be considered.
    They also have a huge gap at PG they would need to solve if they bring in Giannis. Fred is past his expiration date.

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    Giannis is the perfect archetype next to Wemby tbh

    of this archetype, there are lower level tiers

    tier 4: Kevin Looney
    tier 3: Onyeka Okongwu
    tier 2: Bam Adebayao
    tier 1: Giannis
    I'd take Okongwu in a heartbeat.

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    They also have a huge gap at PG they would need to solve if they bring in Giannis. Fred is past his expiration date.
    Fred would also likely have to be the bulk of the salary going out to match KD.

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    Maybe you’re right in the end re Castle, but if you look under the hood at Houston’s potential offer it’s not that clear cut for them either. MIL will “demand” Amen Thompson from Houston. That’s a hard no apparently for them. Shangun isn’t everyone’s cup of tea given serious defensive and shooting limitations, so not sure if MIL would see that as the big prize either. So then it comes down to how they value Jalen Green….
    Rockets have the players and picks to get it done. Amen wouldn’t be going though Sengun would. And it’s easier to sell that you are technically giving them an all star back.

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    I totally get why the teams would like this, but what's the vision being sold to the player? Maybe it doesn't matter to him since he's banked a championship already, and his priority is being in NYC and seeding the next stage of his career/business opportunities.

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