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Also, I am not 100% Cooper will be a superstar player like Luka, Lebron, Jokic, Giannis, Shai, those types, but darn, how can people not see what he did at Duke at such a young age? Even if he doesn't reach outright superstar level, he's going to be very, very, very good. At worst, the number 2 option on a Championship level team IMO. Duke could have easily won it all, so that should tell you how good he was. Even crazier due to his age.
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Dude had a 30.4 PER as someone who should have been in high school and completely fixed the one hole in his game coming into the season: namely, three point shooting. He's one of the most complete prospects I have seen and he's a pretty high end defender. Not Anthony Davis nor Wemby level but All NBA Defense level I expect. I don't think he's the slightest bit overhyped. If he wasn't white no one would compare him to Kirilenko.Not convinced he is at their level either.. Let's face it, every high-end white American prospect will garner more hype than he should for obvious reasons.
No, I need another unprotected first minimum.
, I just found out. Didn't know the lottery was today. We're so blessed sons.
Exactly. Can't believe people on this board are questioning how good Flagg is.
While I'm absolutely ecstatic we got the #2 pick, Flagg would definitely have been a game changer and guaranteed a dynastic run for our team for a decade and a half.
FWIW, the Spurs' chances of getting at least the #1, #4, and #2 picks in the past 3 years given their pre-draft lottery odds was 0.7%.
It was insane watching it live. I stayed up as it was 7am here when the draft started. When the Spurs got into the top 4, I was super hyped, but then when it got down to the top 2, I felt kind of devastated coming that close to getting the number 1 pick. Before the draft, I would have been ecstatic with that, but when it all came down live, I thought we had it as I knew Dallas had the lesser chance, I really thought the Spurs had it. After the top 4 was announced once I knew who was in there, I didn't think Dallas would get it due to it looking too much like a fix. I was surprised they got into the top 4 even. I thought Dallas was going to be 4th or 3rd. Spurs had great, great luck, but Dallas had crazy luck to get that first pick if it wasn't somehow a fix, I just found out. Didn't know the lottery was today. We're so blessed sons..
By the way, I was going to mention it, but Cooper did not look happy. I really do think when it came down to the last two slots (Spurs and Mavericks), he wanted the Spurs, I am sure of it. I did not see any excitement from him at all
wtfI had a dream last night....We got 2nd and 14th.
If we get the #1 pick there will be riots lol
Dylan Harper 2025 NBA Draft Scouting Report
Position: Combo Guard (PG/SG)
Height/Weight: 6'6", 215 lbs
College: Rutgers (Freshman)
2024-25 Stats (Projected): 19.4 points, 4.6 rebounds, 4.0 assists, 1.4 steals per game
Shooting Splits: 48% FG, 33% 3PT, 75% FT
Strengths
Elite Rim Attacker: Harper is one of the best in his class at getting to the basket, using his size and strength to finish through contact. He’s a constant threat in the paint and can score against almost any defender.
Advanced Playmaking: He’s comfortable running the offense, showing impressive vision and the ability to set up teammates, especially in pick-and-roll situations and transition.
Physical Presence: At 6'6" with a strong build, Harper is physically imposing for a guard. He uses his body well to shield defenders and finish strong around the rim.
Versatility: He can play both guard spots, functioning as a lead ball-handler or working off the ball to attack closeouts and make smart cuts.
Basketball IQ: Harper plays with poise and makes good decisions, rarely forcing the issue. He’s a natural leader and the clear focal point of his team’s offense.
NBA Background: With a father who played in the NBA, Harper brings a mature understanding of the game and what it takes to succeed at the next level.
Areas for Improvement
Jump Shooting: While he has made progress, Harper’s outside shot is still developing. He needs to become more consistent from three-point range, especially off the dribble.
Defensive Consistency: He has the tools to be a strong defender but sometimes loses focus or effort on that end. More consistent intensity will be important in the NBA.
Athleticism: Harper is more crafty and strong than explosively athletic. He relies on skill and timing rather than elite quickness or leaping ability.
Ball Dominance: He’s most comfortable with the ball in his hands, so he may need to adjust his game depending on his NBA team’s roster and style.
Upside and NBA Player Comparison
Harper projects as a high-level starting guard with the potential to become an All-Star if his shooting and defense continue to improve. His size, playmaking, and ability to pressure the rim make him a candidate to be a primary creator for an NBA offense. If his jumper becomes reliable, he could develop into one of the league’s most versatile and impactful guards.
NBA Player Comparisons:
Cade Cunningham: Similar in size and playmaking ability, with a calm approach to running the offense.
Jalen Brunson: Shares Harper’s ability to create shots for himself and others, as well as his leadership qualities.
Young James Harden: Both are left-handed guards who excel at getting downhill, finishing at the rim, and creating out of the pick-and-roll. Harper isn’t quite the passer Harden became, but he shows flashes of that style.
Lol now I just need to dream of the power ball numbers…lol
Mavs have now covered for 2 recent Spurs heists lol
Fox deal overshadowed by Luka trade and getting #2 after repeat ROYs upstaged by Mavs 1.8% #1 odds hitting su iously
Spurs keep getting pretty lucky while the Mavs take all the heat in the scene and media lol
Wow man, big props. That's scary. You might want to start telling us your Bball related dreams from now on.I had a dream last night....We got 2nd and 14th.
If we get the #1 pick there will be riots lol
Not trading Harper for anyone but Giannis..Spurs can cobble together package for role players/starters that likely involves vassell/sochan/KJ + (14, Hawks '26+27, Mavs (less valuable now) and Sacto swaps)..
Wow...I guess this comes down to what you mean by "achetype prospect" but their still not close to the same.I think you guys should stop overrating Flagg as Lebron/Wemby level of prospect
Tatum was the #3 overall, Kirilenko was 24th. Like they're 6'9"ish forwards, but same archetype? How?
And if they are, that Tatum archetype that goes 28/8.5/4.5/1 with about to be 4 straight Top6 MVP finishes and NBA1, and 6 straight AS, 5 All-NBA in 6 yrs is a pretty ing good archetype in todays NBA. Kirilenko was a D freak, but #3/4 option on O. Tatum is and has been a consensus Top5 player. Apples to oranges as evidenced by every aspect of their careers and their draft position.
Flagg is a great prospect and he was significantly better at everything at Duke than Tatum and he was like 15 months younger when doing it. Flagg played the first 1/3 of his season as a 17y/o. He may be close to a Kirilenko archetype on D, he's a Tatum archetype on O. Not the same and he's crazy young, and polished, and complete game, and maybe still ing growing. Kirilenko archetype he is not.
Those are some exciting comps, I hadn't really looked into Harper at all, didn't even dream of the #2!!!!
But with Fox, Castle, Vassell and Harper if we keep #2 a trade makes a lot of sense. Castle's value may never be higher and him plus Vassell get you a long way towards a Max salary ($36.5M combined)...this offseason is gonna be awesome.
Personally I'd love a Fox + Vassell and picks for Giannis, go supersized 5 man rotation. Not the Spurs way, but one can dream.
Watching Devin Vassell dribble the ball for 20 seconds to work himself into a contested 20 foot fadeaway with the rest of those guys on the court around him... IN THE PLAYOFFS... is going to be so much fun.PG: Fox
SG: Castle
SF: Vassell
PF: Antetokounmpo
C: Wembanyama
I think I'd almost prefer an aneurysm over seeing Vassell ing around in a Spurs uniform in the playoffs next season tbh. Definitely would take herpes in the ass over Vassell chunking it up for the Spurs.
You know who else measured at 6 "7"? Cooper Flagg.
Draft lottery is 100% rigged btw. I was already pretty skeptical, but this year definitely sealed it. There's just no way that Dallas just happened to jump up 10 spots to the #1 Overall Pick with their 1.8% chance the same year that they inexplicably traded their 25 yearly Superstar franchise player to the NBA's biggest market for pennies on the dollar in probably the worst trade in NBA history. No way.
Same way Cavs got the #1 Pick the year their hometown hero Lebron was in the draft despite only having a 2% chance.
Same way Chicago got the top pick with only a 1.8% chance the year the hometown kid Derrick Rose came out.
Same way the Cavs got the #1 Overall pick the year LeBron abandoned them for Miami.
Same way the Pelicans got the #1 Overall Pick the year A.D. was forcefully traded to the Lakers.
The NBA = Sports entertainment. Hilarious how obvious it is now though.
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We’re so lucky!
Flagg can do the funniest thing lol he looked so pissed off when they revealed it’d be Mavs over Spurs. He wanted to play with Wemby, make no mistake. Obviously these things rarely happen but dude died a little inside on live tv.
As for 2. Take Harper and don’t even consider overthinking it unless it can be used in a Giannis trade. He’s so good, he gets anywhere he wants on the court, can finish super well, can shoot (% is misleading due to tons of step backs and horrible spacing on the team). Just a perfect player for today’s NBA. Sure there’s overlap but nowadays teams need multiple ballhandlers and besides Castle has shown he can play the Butler role as a wing. Down the road an enormous backcourt of Castle and Harper will be a nightmare for any team to match up with.
Darn, I never followed those drafts at all as I was more focused on the Spurs winning it at all rather than the lottery or the teams in it.
2 and Evan for 7, Murphy, Herb Jones
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