Pick #2 - Strategies

[Mal]

#2 for Markannen straight up? How yall feeling about that?

Markanen ship already sailed. He is not worth being 3rd piece being paid 30% of cap. I would prefer 40 yrs Kevin Durant to provide shooting at lower cap hit

[jesterbobman]

Not going to bother reading everything. I'm lazy.

I think the option of a 2 + 14 + 2030 swap is feasible - seems like the about right level of draft capital, fits needs (dumb, but considered), and as we have double swap rights in 2030, big win for Dallas, limited loss for us.

I'd reject that as Dallas (Flagg is a realllly good prospect - The best comparison IMO, is something like Kawhi if he had good knees - incredible player, and get rid of ), leading to something like Harper (not quite Harden as a prospect, but pretty close as a wing sized creator), Essengue, and something at 38 for us. Huge win.

If you said a month in to the season, that we'd end up with Castle as ROY and looked like the best LT star bet in that prospect class, then Harper, I'd be doing virtual somersaults.

[Mal]

keep 2nd pick, trade Johnson, Vassell, Sochan, and 14th pick to PHilly for 3rd pick. Pick Harper and Bailey and we will win at least 5 or 6 les within the next 10 years.

First no.
Seconds. How would Philly agree to that ? Last thing they need is to add more salary to their already expensive core.

[RC_Drunkford]

Obviously if you can trade up for #1 you do it, but it's not likely. Otherwise I like drafting Harper. People here have been clamoring for a scoring guard coming off the bench for a while now, so I don't really see the issue.

Both Castle and Harper are combo guards with enough length to play the 2. We should run a 3-guard rotation where Harper, Fox and Castle split the 96 available minutes with 2 of them always being on the court together. This will give us plenty of playmaking and rim pressure, which will especially benefit Wemby. Fox has one year left, extend him for another 4 years, then trade him when he has 1 year left and starts to lose some speed and let Harper take over.

This means we don't need any more guards. Vassell has to go. Blake Wesley and Branham are not needed either. What we need now is size and rebounding at the forward spots, which makes taking Fleming with 14 even more intriguing. I'm still an advocate for a John Collins trade. Our back up big should also be somebody who absolutely thrives in a pick & roll heavy offense. We could terrorize teams with that type of guard play for a full 48 minutes.


Another scenario I could see is trading down to get Ace Bailey if we get enough in return. I think drafting Harper is the safer route though.

[Mal]

I know Dallas has to take Flagg, to appease the fan base, but

Mavs - Giannis
Spurs - #1, PJ Washington
Bucks - #2, #14, Vassell, Gafford, multi SRPs.

Ok, I just run it, and there is no way to do it. Dallas cannot absorb Giannis contract, they would have to trade Washingon, Gafford, Klay, Christie and more, re-sign Irving to lower cap hit from 42 to like 30, which would mean he would need to sign 150/5 type of deal, at age 33 after ACL tear.

[Biggems]

Just draft Harper at 2 and Sorber at 14. Then, find a way to get Johnni Broome later in the draft and we are set.

Fox, Harper
Castle, Champ
Vassell, Johnson, Ingram
Sochan, Broome, Mamu
Wemby, Sorber, Bassey

[exstatic]

Surely Fox Castle Vassell Giannis Wemby with so much talent in the rotation has to be conference finals team right off the bat... Assuming you get giannis for #2 of course

It’ll cost a lot more than that.

[exstatic]

You draft Harper without a thought. Kid can be a superstar. Him & Steph would be insane.

Move Fox to Minny.

Spurs FO would be boycotted by every agent after Klutch bent over backwards to get us a deal. Just no.

Both Castle and Harper have the size to play minutes at the 3. It’ll work out, and in 4 YEARS, then maybe you move on from Fox.

[Kawhi Duncan]

Spurs FO would be boycotted by every agent after Klutch bent over backwards to get us a deal. Just no.

Both Castle and Harper have the size to play minutes at the 3. It’ll work out, and in 4 YEARS, then maybe you move on from Fox.

Small ball doesn't win...tired of playing guards at the sf position...big ball has been winning for decades, even in the so called small ball era

[ulosturedge]

Don't trade the farm to get Giannis, don't trade the farm to get Flagg. Take Harper or trade back if some team is willing to give you an offer you can't refuse.

[Obstructed_View]

I know Dallas has to take Flagg, to appease the fan base, but

Mavs - Giannis
Spurs - #1, PJ Washington
Bucks - #2, #14, Vassell, Gafford, multi SRPs.

Ok, I just run it, and there is no way to do it. Dallas cannot absorb Giannis contract, they would have to trade Washingon, Gafford, Klay, Christie and more, re-sign Irving to lower cap hit from 42 to like 30, which would mean he would need to sign 150/5 type of deal, at age 33 after ACL tear.

Wonder if the Spurs could get Klay from Dallas somehow. He signed with Dallas to win a le with Luka, not to babysit a rebuilding team.

[vy65]

The idea of Kevin Durant makes a lot more sense all of a sudden. Fox, Castle, The Dill, KD, Wemby should have enough length and shooting to work. That’s a playoff team with Wembys mentor along side him. Bring back CP3 for the min on a player-coach basis.

[ffadicted]

I honestly don't really care about the three guard lineup for now. Shooting is a problem for sure, but surely we can make Fox Castle Harper work with plenty of minutes for all, even in the floor at the same time. Castle and Harper have great size for their positions and can likely guard bigger players. Fox and Harper will both be ball dominant but you can make this work. The shooting numbers are unfortunate so this would rely on Harper and/or Castle developing an outside shot, but we can dream. I'd love to package a combination of Vassell + Keldon + picks for shooting and a good starting level big man next to Wemby. You play this out next couple of years.

Only way I trade for Giannis is if the Spurs think Victor's health means we gotta win in the next 4-5 years to make use of him. We'll never have much insight on that, but obv we hope that's not the case. Having Giannis and Fox on a max with Victor's new contract coming in the next couple years would be rough as far as filling out the roster goes. We still have so much dead weight on this team that needs to change.

[Dejounte]

I honestly don't really care about the three guard lineup for now. Shooting is a problem for sure, but surely we can make Fox Castle Harper work with plenty of minutes for all, even in the floor at the same time. Castle and Harper have great size for their positions and can likely guard bigger players. Fox and Harper will both be ball dominant but you can make this work. The shooting numbers are unfortunate so this would rely on Harper and/or Castle developing an outside shot, but we can dream. I'd love to package a combination of Vassell + Keldon + picks for shooting and a good starting level big man next to Wemby. You play this out next couple of years.

Only way I trade for Giannis is if the Spurs think Victor's health means we gotta win in the next 4-5 years to make use of him. We'll never have much insight on that, but obv we hope that's not the case. Having Giannis and Fox on a max with Victor's new contract coming in the next couple years would be rough as far as filling out the roster goes. We still have so much dead weight on this team that needs to change.

If Harper is the max player we think he is and Castle is the other max player we think he is, wouldn’t that all be a problem with Fox and Wemby already having max contracts by then?

[ffadicted]

If Harper is the max player we think he is and Castle is the other max player we think he is, wouldn’t that all be a problem with Fox and Wemby already having max contracts by then?

Yes I'd imagine if Harper and Castle pan out we'd move on from Fox and trade him, but their expensive contracts are a looong ways away. We could be looking at a very expensive team of Fox Giannis Wemby much sooner. I guess I'm just not convinced about giving up one of Harper or Castle and a ton of our assets we've been stashing for 4-5 years of Giannis. When was the last time an expensive team trading for a championship worked?

I guess the main thing as always is what are we giving up. Obv if Milwakee is stupid and gives us Giannis for an easy package you just eat up the cost of the team and do it, but I have a feeling they'll be looking for a fleece.

[The Truth #6]

1. Spurs need to avoid trading the wrong player, sort of like how OKC was left with Russell Westbrook.

2. To me, Fox is the odd man out given the positional versatility they desire. Trade Fox, not all this other nonsense. Package him with Devin, if possible, and get quality players that fit around our young backcourt and Wemby.

[Uriel]

This would've been so much simpler if we got pick #3. We would just pick Bailey outright

[Dejounte]

It wouldn’t be Spurs-like to trade Fox anytime soon at all, tbh. People have to view it in that context. The pattern is that they overextend everyone’s stay with the team vs the opposite. That has always been their nature.

[Mal]

You dont trade Fox now. He is better player than Harper and Castle, and Spurs need him. If Castle and Harper pans out, then you can start thinking about trading Fox before Castle`s extension kicks in.

[HankChinaski]

After sleeping on it.
You just draft Harper
Hope for Fleming or Carter Bryant still on board at 14.

Still a bunch of things to look at once free agency hits and also trades that could improve things.

I think the spurs experiment with a Fox/Harper/Castle 3 guard lineup.

Either of Fleming or Bryant fills a need in the front court.

Still have time to see how the rest of the league reacts to Giannis, Durant, and possibly Booker being traded and that will provide the spurs room to work with as the league front offices possibly overreact to some of those 3 destinations.

I can't wait for the draft already so we can hit Free Agency and trade talks and, most importantly Summer League

CP3 is, most likely gone.

[Big Empty]

I think the time to win is now. We now have flexibility to trade for Giannis/Jaren Jackson or Sabonis to be contenders now

[poopbox]

The more I have time to marinate on it, the more I think this is it.

Draft Harper. Move Devin, Keldon and maybe Sochan to get capable forwards.

You can't trade Fox now, for a few reasons:

1. Spurs won't do dirty to a player who forced his way here at a discount. It would damage our ability to get players in the future.
2. Fox has one year remaining so his value is going to be diminished because Fox may want to test FA after being traded by the team he wanted to be at... which means...
3. Fox needs to sign an extension first, but when he does there will be a 6 month moratorium on trading him.

So, you sign Fox to an extension, which even at a 30% max hopefully won't look too bad after several years of 10% cap increases. If he plays two years at his current level, he'll still have great trade value right when Harper will be ready to take over as starting PG.

I mean if you are telling me Fox or Castle is going to be gone in 2 or 3 years then no question you take Harper to replace one of them, that is the long term move. But playing Fox, Harper, and Castle together is going to be ugly on offense to start, and you will have to stagger minutes so that Harper is also the primary backup point guard, again not a bad thing.

And in the beginning Harper forces one of the friendship crew out by either directly taking their spot or taking Castle spot and then Castle takes a friendship spot.

I'd rather have Bailey because he is good, he fits a glaring need we have right now, and keeps us from having one in the future, but if you told me we draft Harper and get say John Collins, that would be fine to.

[tbdog]

I would look into Gaford and Pj Washington deal involving Vassell. I like Devin, but I don't like him at the 3.

[The Truth #6]

It wouldn’t be Spurs-like to trade Fox anytime soon at all, tbh. People have to view it in that context. The pattern is that they overextend everyone’s stay with the team vs the opposite. That has always been their nature.

For sure, I get that. I was speaking more brutally what makes sense in a vacuum with what the team aspires towards. The reality is they aren't making any big moves.

[mo7888]

I believe he is top 5 in the last 5 years imo

Wemby
Flagg
Cade
Edwards
Harper

Honorable mention:
Covid Face Mask Chet

That's fair..